[GS] Sun Tzu leading Field Cannons

[Lily_Lancer]

I am wondering why my field cannons are bonused by Sun Tzu (therefore have 3 move speed). Is Sun Tzu that great to lead industrial era units as a Classical General?

BTW I don't have logistics.

 

[Krajzen]

I am really tired (should go to sleep in my timezone) and initially I understood the title as new First Look video

You know: "Sun Tzu leads Field Cannons in Civilization VI: Gathering Storm"

I was really confused

By the way, maybe this is some reference to Chinese Discovery of gunpowder?

 

[Ownsya]

You sure you do have that policy giving + 1 movement when starting in your territory?

 

[Lily_Lancer]

You sure you do have that policy giving + 1 movement when starting in your territory?

1:I don't have logistics,
2:It gains +5 strength while attacking.

 

[Ownsya]

I seem to remember someone else posting about a great general providing buffs when it shouldn't have not too long ago. Might've been @Victoria.

 

[Stilgar08]

Your field cannon got 4 promotions there... Maybe it's related to that? Hover over the picture of the cannon bottom right - maybe you get a clue.

Finally I tend to get confused by CS bonuses. Are there any military CS you are souzerain of?
(recently I had that CS that grants housing like if you are next to freshwater even if you aren't - took me a while to figure that one out. )

 

[Victoria]

I seem to remember someone else posting about a great general providing buffs when it shouldn't have not too long ago. Might've been Victoria.

Yes, I have had this also. The units got this bonus even though no GG was in range. However it was localised to a naval invasion where I do appear to have lost a GG while moving at sea.
The effect carried on for a few turns and then stopped.
@Ownsya if you can use an @ before my name I’ll be notified, nearly missed this
@Lily_Lancer was the field cannon or other troops embarked before this screen shot? I think we need to start considering this a bug as it has happened to at least 2 of us. Certainly my muskets were getting 4 MP and +5 attacking for a GG even though I only had a classical general.

 

[Stilgar08]

Yes, I have had this also. The units got this bonus even though no GG was in range. However it was localised to a naval invasion where I do appear to have lost a GG while moving at sea.
The effect carried on for a few turns and then stopped.
@Ownsya if you can use an @ before my name I’ll be notified, nearly missed this
@Lily_Lancer was the field cannon or other troops embarked before this screen shot? I think we need to start considering this a bug as it has happened to at least 2 of us. Certainly my muskets were getting 4 MP and +5 attacking for a GG even though I only had a classical general.

According to the SS there's no water nearby...

 

[Victoria]

According to the SS there's no water nearby...

But Lily has clearly attacked America from the lower right of the screen where there may be water and it may not be to do with embarked, just trying to think what I did differently.

 

[gcampono]

There something I never understood with great generals that might (or not) explain that.

Does the bonus of a great general only apply to units in their era and following era OR do the eras get updated with time ?

I mean: does Sun Tzu always only apply to ancient and classical units OR does the bonus apply to units of the current and next* era you are in (i.e. you enter the medieval era and Sun Tzu supports medieval and renaissance* era units ?

* might be previous

Can someone explain that to me or is there a guide for it?

 

[MrRadar]

Another case of phantom GG. Which one of them grants combat bonus to that Mongolian Musketmen Corps?

 

[Lily_Lancer]

Yes, I have had this also. The units got this bonus even though no GG was in range. However it was localised to a naval invasion where I do appear to have lost a GG while moving at sea.
The effect carried on for a few turns and then stopped.
@Ownsya if you can use an @ before my name I’ll be notified, nearly missed this
@Lily_Lancer was the field cannon or other troops embarked before this screen shot? I think we need to start considering this a bug as it has happened to at least 2 of us. Certainly my muskets were getting 4 MP and +5 attacking for a GG even though I only had a classical general.

Well, no. I never embarked it, and the +1 movement and +5 strength only applies when the unit is near Sun Tzu, when I move Sun Tzu away the bonus disappeared, however when I move Sun Tzu back the .+5 strength and +1 move comes again.

 

[Victoria]

Well, no. I never embarked it, and the +1 movement and +5 strength only applies when the unit is near Sun Tzu, when I move Sun Tzu away the bonus disappeared, however when I move Sun Tzu back the .+5 strength and +1 move comes again.

Yes, mine definitely were outside of any GG range but I did have a classical present.
I suggest post a bug with a save, I’ll check my saves as I think I may have it.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

Yes, mine definitely were outside of any GG range but I did have a classical present.
I suggest post a bug with a save, I’ll check my saves as I think I may have it.

I checked and find that

My Field Cannons upgraded from Crossbow receive that bonus when Sun Tzu presents.

My Field Cannons upgraded directly from Pitatis never receive that bonus when Sun Tzu presents.

My artillery upgraded from bombard receives bonus from another Renaissance GG , but not from Sun Tzu.

My current guess is that when checking whether a unit can be affected by GG or not, the bug lets the game mistakenly check all histories of that unit, instead of only the current age.

.

 

[Victoria]

OK, I have found mine.
The first save (T156) I have 2 muskets within range of Hannibal and only one of them gets the GG bonus... but neither should. This was before I embarked so that was a red herring. Also I recruited no other GG's so its not like it was that so it may be as the double promotion as you pointed out @Lily_Lancer as I double upgraded one musket but not the other.
The second save (T171) I have 2 muskets out of range of any general but both getting bonuses.
Not sure if I should post this as a different bug, it seems the same with @MrRadar screenshot it does look like we have a bug but many do not report because it makes things easier.... or they just do not notice

 

[Ownsya]

Yes, I have had this also. The units got this bonus even though no GG was in range. However it was localised to a naval invasion where I do appear to have lost a GG while moving at sea.
The effect carried on for a few turns and then stopped.
@Ownsya if you can use an @ before my name I’ll be notified, nearly missed this
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Fixed

 

[Qwan]

Please fix this bug with Sun Tzu -- I also have it. As noted above, the bonus is given to upgraded units. Not only are all my field cannons near Sun Tzu getting the bonus, but so is one of the two musketmen. All of the field cannons were upgraded from crossbow, but only one of the musketmen was upgraded from swordsman. This makes it clear that Sun Tzu is recognizing the pre-upgraded class.

Version 1.0.0.341 (176806)

 

[Laurana Kanan]

@Qwan - Update your game, this was fixed in the May NFP patch/update.