leaders we would like to see

[untitledjuan]

has he never been in civ? we really should have more Habsburg presence in the game considering how important they were, especially vis a vis their relations with Ottomans, France.

Apparently he was planned to appear in Civ3 and leading Austria, but he was never included. The gamefiles of the game had him and an Austrian city list, though, but he was never made playable. I read somewhere that the leader model of the King of Spain in Civ4:Colonization was based on Charles V, but I'm not sure about that.

We had Maria Theresa and Austria in Civ5 and Philip II of Spain (also a Habsburg) in Civ6. I agree it would be nice to have some sort of Habsburg representation in Civ7. Also, they could pair well, historically speaking, with many different Civilizations (Austria, Spain, Burgundy, Hungary, the HRE, Germany, etc.)

 

[Phrozen]

I think Henry Avery could be a fun choice for a non-sovereign leader. I agree Sun Tzu would also be an inspired choice, and I'd love to see Adam Smith too.

Henry Every/Avery the pirate? If you want a pirate leader, Henry Morgan or Barbarossa would probably work better.

Leaders:
Johan de Witt
Olga of Kiev
Alp Arslan
Buffalo Hump or Old Owl
Garibaldi
Tito
Charles "Lucky" Luciano (maybe kidding)

 

[moondog385]

Welcome! A non-ruler leader I'd like to see is Enheduanna, daughter of Sargon of Akkad, priestess of Nanna, and the earliest female poet we have a name for; her hymns were sung in Mesopotamia for thousands of years.

Absolutely second this!

And I’ll just add that I hope they’re not afraid to dig a little deeper with the DLC leaders than they did for the base game.

 

[HelloIAmW]

Henry Every/Avery the pirate? If you want a pirate leader, Henry Morgan or Barbarossa would probably work better.

Honestly, I'd take any pirate leader as I love the era. Avery is just the first that came to mind. Garbaldi would be a great addition I didn't even consider.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Liliuokalani is somewhere on my most wanted list
Also Albert Einstein is kind of a guilty pick of mine

 

[AriochIV]

I would like to see more ancient leaders. For some reason seeing an ancient leader at the head of a modern nation bothers me a lot less than seeing a modern leader at the head of an ancient nation.

 

[Inotrobot]

hello, long time lurker first time poster. just wanted to share some thoughts i had on leaders. i think its great they have added leaders that weren't sovereigns de jure. its cool they have added figures like confucius tubman etc. what leaders would you like to see?
i would like to see, since being sovereign not necessarily a necessary condition:

1) an East India Company rep (economic, diplomatic) (doesn't have to be Clive, could be Hastings or another governor general). i think it would be interesting because corporations had an important role in trade and could lead for example UK once they are added or even Mughal, would add flavor. i know it would be somewhat controversial but its an important part of the history and would be fun to roleplay as a trading company trying to compete with sovereign powers.

2. Sun Tzu (military,diplomatic) Sun tzu as a military/diplomatic leader would be a great addition for China to take a more war like path. if we are going to have machiavelli, we must have Sun Tzu as well. he is a good counterbalance to confucius as well.

3. Krasus. (economic,military): you could do pompey instead here. they were both extremely influential at that pivotal period and would be more economic focused. it might be good to have their ability focus on hiring mercenaries on the cheap.

i think there has been an opening to add more non sovereign entities like EIC, VOC... what are some other examples you think would be compelling?

another suggestion is that i hope they will include Unique units with leaders in the future similar to how some had UU's in civ 6

Prince Naquan or Cudjoe of the Maroons
Jean Jacque Dessaline or Toussaint Louverture of the Hatian Revolution.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I mean...six versions of Civ so far have managed to squeeze less personality out of Elizabeth I than Mary Bennet, to my endless disappointment.

Both historians and games appear to take history too seriously, too often. It seems to be far too easy to forget that all of the people we are dealing with: kings and commoners, queens, bean-counters, ministers and maniacs, were first and foremost People.

No matter how important or how much of a focus for events they were, they also occasionally tripped over an unlaced caligul or spilled wine on their best shirt or sari: it's what people do.

We need more personages in the game like the French general in the Seven Years War who sent the following message back to Versailles:

"One third of the army is dead, another third is in hospital
Shall I retreat with the remaining third, or wait until we join the other two?"

Now that kind of a 'narrative event' would keep the game human . . .

 

[mitsho]

Graf von Metternich I haven't read so far. The guy really shaped Europe. Though now of course you can do Sissi for Austria and get another female leader. She's arguably more influental pop-culture wise than Maria Theresia, and has nicer and more varied stories to tell.

 

[Haig]

My most wanted
controversial leader: Stalin. Why not!
mythological leader: Väinämöinen (from finnish national epic, I suspect he influenced Gandalf in Lord of the Rings) link to wiki: väinämöinen
leader who wasn't leader: some posts back a rich tycoon like JP Morgan or Medici etc.
leader who would make a fun leaderscreen: Churchill! (personas: cigarette puffer and tommygun wielder)


Post your own I like to read this stuff!

 

[Leyrann]

1) an East India Company rep (economic, diplomatic) (doesn't have to be Clive, could be Hastings or another governor general). i think it would be interesting because corporations had an important role in trade and could lead for example UK once they are added or even Mughal, would add flavor. i know it would be somewhat controversial but its an important part of the history and would be fun to roleplay as a trading company trying to compete with sovereign powers.

A non-standard pick for this could be Eduard Douwes Dekker, the author of Max Havelaar, which directly and indirectly contributed significantly to the rise of decolonialist movements both in Europe and the colonies.

 

[agamemnon_of_the-bronze_]

Graf von Metternich I haven't read so far. The guy really shaped Europe. Though now of course you can do Sissi for Austria and get another female leader. She's arguably more influental pop-culture wise than Maria Theresia, and has nicer and more varied stories to tell.

yes metternich would be great. metternich, tallyrand, and castlereigh would be a great leader pack at some point for a napoleonic war themed pack. castlereigh would be good as well because he is actually irish which would be cool to add.

 

[agamemnon_of_the-bronze_]

My most wanted
controversial leader: Stalin. Why not!
mythological leader: Väinämöinen (from finnish national epic, I suspect he influenced Gandalf in Lord of the Rings) link to wiki: väinämöinen
leader who wasn't leader: some posts back a rich tycoon like JP Morgan or Medici etc.
leader who would make a fun leaderscreen: Churchill! (personas: cigarette puffer and tommygun wielder)


Post your own I like to read this stuff!

i already put Clive as my most controversial preference. he really would be great because the British Raj was at its height basically its own thing that outweighed the home isles militarily and economically. Clive was a fearless(and fearsome) leader that had a huge hand in subjugating the Indian subcontinent. he is a fascinating character, who although should not be lionized, nonetheless had a profound impact and was clearly a charismatic leader.

Mythological leader: this is a fun one. i would have to say Agamemnon or Ragnar Lothbrok. (so many good viking/greek options) both are fun characters that would probably sell well on DLC too as they have decent name recogition.

leader who wasn't leader: again, Sun Tzu really would be perfect. but another idea would be the Jagat Seth bankers of Bengal India. they were serious kingmakers and financiers to the Mughals. Though not at the same scale, but the influence exercised by this family in the finances of the Mughal Empire during the 17th and 18th century would be akin to that exercised by the Rothschild family in Europe.

 

[mitsho]

yes metternich would be great. metternich, tallyrand, and castlereigh would be a great leader pack at some point for a napoleonic war themed pack. castlereigh would be good as well because he is actually irish which would be cool to add.

To be honest, I had to look up Viscount Castlereagh, and if we go for a Irish representation, I like the redhead pirate Lady contemporary of Elizabeth I more. But I'm always glad to learn about history and it also lead me to the question how many leaders they can have in the end. A "XY-themed" leaderpack sounds very nice since it allows for scenario building, which is also helped by the three ages. One can build the scenarios easier in the single ages and just slow progress. That makes it easier to get into the scenarios since the players doesn't have to learn many new things. But if the leaders are the hard part to create, does it make sense to have Metternich, Talleyrand and Castlereagh?

So, yeah, I'm getting more and more excited for civ 7.

 

[Archanist]

leader who would make a fun leaderscreen:

Would suggest Apolinario Mabini, he was stuck in a wheelchair due to polio, so you'd have a guy in a wheelchair waving at you when he denounces you.

If he wants to declare war on you he stands up so you know he means business

 

[Josephias]

Charles V would be awesome, he could have voiced lines in Flemish, German, Spanish and French.

has he never been in civ? we really should have more Habsburg presence in the game considering how important they were, especially vis a vis their relations with Ottomans, France.

Well, he almost appeared in Civ III leading Austria, and we missed *wink* the opportunity to have it in Civ 6 *wink* as a dual Spain-Germany leader (which would have paired well as we had already a dual France-England one *wink**wink*)

Because , we are already discarding any DLC for Civ 6, aren't we @FXS


On topic: I had my hopes for Marco Polo (maybe a got fit for Crossroads), but I think the fact we have Machiavelli already may reduce its possibilities (also those of the Florentine Medici). On the other hand, the fact Archimedes is not in the list of Greek Logios, could mean he is a nice candidate for a Greek leader (yet not from greece proper). Not needing a proper civ may also help bringing in Timur from center asia. And while I agree the Medici and the Fugger are *the* bankers if we look at the whole story, considering a focus in modern age, we should name some Rotschild as well.

 

[stealth_nsk]

Olga of Kiev

She's a very interesting character and could soften the negative impression made by Firaxis on announcing Russia and Catherine.

 

[Leyrann]

She's a very interesting character and could soften the negative impression made by Firaxis on announcing Russia and Catherine.

You're telling me Firaxis made a negative impression by including a top 5 influential state in the last 300 years and a top 10 most notable female leader in history?

 

[ColtSeavers]

You're telling me Firaxis made a negative impression by including a top 5 influential state in the last 300 years and a top 10 most notable female leader in history?

Ever heard of what this "top influential state" is doing in Ukraine right now?

 

[Albertan Civfanatic]

Leonidas
William the Conqueror
Homer
Achylles
Kaiser Wilhelm 1
John F. Kennedy
Pompey the Great