Cyc
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zorven said:
My pleasure, zorven. I have said many times how I feel you are a hard worker and a great Leader. My opinion has not changed. If we disagree in opinion about a small item here and there, take no heed.
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Term 1 - Judicial Thread
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My pleasure, zorven. I have said many times how I feel you are a hard worker and a great Leader. My opinion has not changed. If we disagree in opinion about a small item here and there, take no heed.
CJ Cyc
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thank-you cyc, for your quick opinon on this JR
Cyc
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No problemo, Black Hole. Keep in mind we still need to wait for the Opinions of the other two Justices.Black_Hole said:
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of course, the game wouldn't be called a democracy otherwiseCyc said:No problemo, Black Hole. Keep in mind we still need to wait for the Opinions of the other two Justices.
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DG5JR12
Requested By: Black_Hole
Request: Pertaining to Epimethius and the City Naming Office and percieved overstepping of boundries constituional and orderly. The lack of accurate instructions is included.
Opinion: Im not going to flower it up as my most esteemed colleague did, mostly out of laziness, partly because I dont know what to say
Anyway....
As stated in constituional article D the president takes instructions from elected officials, but not EXCLUSIVELY elected officials. As long as something in the turnchat thread has to do with instructions and not debate, I really dont see a problem with one or two posts by city naming officials and national park officials and so on. Epi is doing a volunteer job, as had been doing it well until recently, perhaps Epi has become bored, perhaps he is being vindictive, I dont care either way.
I feel as though Epi can continue to post ACCURATE information in the turnchat thread about city names, but I remind him he does not have any duties outside of this.
Epi: If you will post accurate information in the turnchat about city names only, you are welcome to continue to do so.
However, if you screw up one more time, I will either persue the removal of you from this position or the removal of the position entirely and relegate it to the President. I hope I have made this clear, do you job right and I will gladly support the continuation of it, screw up again, and I will not.
Judge Advocate AUgust 19, 2004.
Requested By: Black_Hole
Request: Pertaining to Epimethius and the City Naming Office and percieved overstepping of boundries constituional and orderly. The lack of accurate instructions is included.
Opinion: Im not going to flower it up as my most esteemed colleague did, mostly out of laziness, partly because I dont know what to say
Anyway....
As stated in constituional article D the president takes instructions from elected officials, but not EXCLUSIVELY elected officials. As long as something in the turnchat thread has to do with instructions and not debate, I really dont see a problem with one or two posts by city naming officials and national park officials and so on. Epi is doing a volunteer job, as had been doing it well until recently, perhaps Epi has become bored, perhaps he is being vindictive, I dont care either way.
I feel as though Epi can continue to post ACCURATE information in the turnchat thread about city names, but I remind him he does not have any duties outside of this.
Epi: If you will post accurate information in the turnchat about city names only, you are welcome to continue to do so.
However, if you screw up one more time, I will either persue the removal of you from this position or the removal of the position entirely and relegate it to the President. I hope I have made this clear, do you job right and I will gladly support the continuation of it, screw up again, and I will not.
Judge Advocate AUgust 19, 2004.
On the matter of city naming, as President I have been viewing the posts from that office in Turnchat Instruction threads as being a voluntary bookkeeping service. Naming of cities can't really be a binding instruction because it does not affect irreversable game actions. At any point, a mistake can be corrected, and we have quite a tradition of Presidents who were pressed for time and did not have this service available naming cities "needs a name", "rename me please", etc. Let's not make it more an issue than it needs to be.
KCCrusader
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DG5JR12Submitted by:Black_Hole
Regarding City Naming Office
I have come to a decision regarding this matter very quickly. It is in my opinion that in no way are the City Naming Office instructions binding in any way shape or form. This is because the act of naming cities is reversable on any turn. Therefore, if a city is named one thing, but a majority of the citizens object, It is feasible that the people could make their decison regarding the city known. And since leaders must follow the WOTP, there would be no debate on whether to change the name or not. Therefore the instructions from the city naming office are irrelevant.
Opinion on DG5JR12:The instructions posted by offices not mentioned in the constitution or appointed by the president are not binding legal instructions.
Regarding City Naming Office
I have come to a decision regarding this matter very quickly. It is in my opinion that in no way are the City Naming Office instructions binding in any way shape or form. This is because the act of naming cities is reversable on any turn. Therefore, if a city is named one thing, but a majority of the citizens object, It is feasible that the people could make their decison regarding the city known. And since leaders must follow the WOTP, there would be no debate on whether to change the name or not. Therefore the instructions from the city naming office are irrelevant.
Opinion on DG5JR12:The instructions posted by offices not mentioned in the constitution or appointed by the president are not binding legal instructions.
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I don't know if that ruling should stand, on the following grounds:
-I was not here to defend myself and my position.
-Cyc was biased, since we've had problems like this before, and he has in the past contested my use of judgement.
-As an extraconstitutional office under no one's juristiction, I, like the CIA, can do whatever I want.
Oh, and can anyway translate "Regent Town" into Japanese for me?
Actually, I'll probably go along with that ruling. Makes sense. But I won't enjoy it. I would like a clause, however, stating that I may solicit members to change their city names (IE when I get an idea I ask them for permission).
-I was not here to defend myself and my position.
-Cyc was biased, since we've had problems like this before, and he has in the past contested my use of judgement.
-As an extraconstitutional office under no one's juristiction, I, like the CIA, can do whatever I want.
Oh, and can anyway translate "Regent Town" into Japanese for me?
Actually, I'll probably go along with that ruling. Makes sense. But I won't enjoy it. I would like a clause, however, stating that I may solicit members to change their city names (IE when I get an idea I ask them for permission).
Cyc
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Thank you, Epimetuis, for the input. This Court has been looking for Citizen input all Term and we're happy to receive yours. As far as the clause you requested, I think it would be well within your rights (just as any Citizen) to ask someone to change the name of their city. I doubt you will have much success, and a clause in this regard would not help you in seeking a change. Again, thank you.
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about the defending yourself,Epimethius said:I don't know if that ruling should stand, on the following grounds:
-I was not here to defend myself and my position.
-Cyc was biased, since we've had problems like this before, and he has in the past contested my use of judgement.
-As an extraconstitutional office under no one's juristiction, I, like the CIA, can do whatever I want.
Oh, and can anyway translate "Regent Town" into Japanese for me?
Actually, I'll probably go along with that ruling. Makes sense. But I won't enjoy it. I would like a clause, however, stating that I may solicit members to change their city names (IE when I get an idea I ask them for permission).
this judicial review was not against you(thats what CC's are for), but clarifying the rules that about extra government offices
i just used you as an example
ravensfire
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Epimethius said:I don't know if that ruling should stand, on the following grounds:
-I was not here to defend myself and my position.
-Cyc was biased, since we've had problems like this before, and he has in the past contested my use of judgement.
-As an extraconstitutional office under no one's juristiction, I, like the CIA, can do whatever I want.
Oh, and can anyway translate "Regent Town" into Japanese for me?
Actually, I'll probably go along with that ruling. Makes sense. But I won't enjoy it. I would like a clause, however, stating that I may solicit members to change their city names (IE when I get an idea I ask them for permission).
Epimethius,
As a citizen that didn't like a particular ruling, you CAN overturn that ruling, by proposing a law that would alter the law (or lack thereof) in question.
Regardless of what you think of Cyc (and he and I have also had issues), if the law isn't unconstitutional, he will approve it. Same with the other justices.
-- Ravensfire
RegentMan
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Simply spending five minutes to find a translation: Shikken Machi, but I want it to stay Regent Town. Why do our names have to be "Japanesefied?" Just because we are playing as Japan, doesn't mean our entire city naming system needs to be Japanese. Why don't you want us speaking Japanese in the threads? After all we're playing Japan.Epimethius said:Oh, and can anyway translate "Regent Town" into Japanese for me?
Thank you for letting me have the oppourtunity to defend myself after you brought me in a conflict I had no participation in (I guess I do now).Edit - Thanks Cheiftess for the correction.
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Well, I guess that means I won't need to pm you to ask for permission.
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Epimethius, you are not to ask other people to japanize their city names. Nor are you to do it for them then ask if its alright, do you understand? Your poisition does not have the power to do that and if continue you do it there will be no position for you to volunteer for.
I am tired of hearing complaints against you every time a city is founded that you are running your VOLUNTEER position contrary to its role.
consider this me contested your use of judgement.
Regent Man you do not need to change your cities name.
I am tired of hearing complaints against you every time a city is founded that you are running your VOLUNTEER position contrary to its role.
consider this me contested your use of judgement.
Regent Man you do not need to change your cities name.
RegentMan
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Thank you Immortal. I had no intention of doing so anyway.Immortal said:
RegentMan said:Simply spending five minutes to find a translation: Shikken Toshi, but I want it to stay Regent Town. Why do our names have to be "Japanesefied?" Just because we are playing as Japan, doesn't mean our entire city naming system needs to be Japanese. Why don't you want us speaking Japanese in the threads? After all we're playing Japan.
"Toshi" is the wrong word for town. You want "machi". Machi is the suffix for a town.
Immortal said:
I agree partially with this. Directly asking someone to translate their city name to Japanese is not appropriate. A comment that it would be nice if the name were Japanese or that all names should be Japanese is not out of place, as long as that is as far as it goes.
You guys take this too seriously and make enemies between yourselves 
Simply make a poll about epi's position, legalize it or turn it off. Or make a poll about 'japanized' names, if people want it than for example epi can suggest 'altered' name and citizen can chose if he wants to change a name according to epi's proposal or leave it as it was.
I personally don't have anything against those japanese names, epi can ask people to change their city names, but can't make them to if they don't want to change it.
If you can't agree about this make polls and election (if needed) for that position and end this in a normal way.
Simply make a poll about epi's position, legalize it or turn it off. Or make a poll about 'japanized' names, if people want it than for example epi can suggest 'altered' name and citizen can chose if he wants to change a name according to epi's proposal or leave it as it was.
I personally don't have anything against those japanese names, epi can ask people to change their city names, but can't make them to if they don't want to change it.
If you can't agree about this make polls and election (if needed) for that position and end this in a normal way.
blackheart
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invy said:You guys take this too seriously and make enemies between yourselves
Simply make a poll about epi's position, legalize it or turn it off. Or make a poll about 'japanized' names, if people want it than for example epi can suggest 'altered' name and citizen can chose if he wants to change a name according to epi's proposal or leave it as it was.
I personally don't have anything against those japanese names, epi can ask people to change their city names, but can't make them to if they don't want to change it.
If you can't agree about this make polls and election (if needed) for that position and end this in a normal way.
Very good point Invy. I have nothing to add, I agree with Invy on this 100%.
