Term 5 - Election for Trade Advisor

[classical_hero]

I want to thank those who have voted for me. ATM it is a very close race with Longasc having a one vote lead. I encourage all who have not voted to vote for me. I want to put all this bitterness aside because after it is a game. I will have no problems if I have to work under Longasc, and I'm sure he will have no problems working for me.

I have an interesting question about elections. What would happen if Longasc and I were tied at the end of the voting period? This is a distinct possiblity with a close race.

 

[ravensfire]

I have an interesting question about elections. What would happen if Longasc and I were tied at the end of the voting period? This is a distinct possiblity with a close race.

This is covered nicely by Article G of the Constitution.

            1. All elected positions shall have a fixed term of one
            month. Each position will be granted to the candidate
            receiving the largest number of votes in that election.
            In the event of a tie between two or more front
            runners, a runoff poll shall be opened between those
            candidates only. This poll shall run for 2 days, and be
            repeated as often as needed to resolve the tie.

This is an interesting election, and a good example of block-voting. I do wonder, however, how many of the votes are from actual citizens. Perhaps, given the circumstances, a inquiry be made into this, matching the voters to a list of citizens.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Moss]

This is an interesting election, and a good example of block-voting. I do wonder, however, how many of the votes are from actual citizens. Perhaps, given the circumstances, a inquiry be made into this, matching the voters to a list of citizens.

-- Ravensfire

For someone who likes to keep votes 'secret' you sure seem to change your ways when the election doesn't run in your favor. I trust the the votes are accurate, and there has never been a need nor should there now be a need to look back and match votes.

And to my knowledge...anyone who is a registered member of the forum can very easily be a member of any DemoGame.

 

[Strider]

Funny how every time someone attempts to get more people inside of the game, it starts up a flame war of sometype.

For the most part, the people who care about the game itself, and not there own "side" are the same ones who doesn't care wether he's on the chat or not.

I see Longasc on the chat all the time. I talk to him on the chat all the time. Does it matter? No, not really, the chatroom has almost always been dominated by people from the Demogame, and every once and awhile someone who posts in another forum gets on, starts talking to us, and ends up joining up.

It's as simple as this: The Chatroom and those that regulary get on it has made up the large majority of the demogame population forever. Shut up and stop complaining about it.

 

[Moss]

I agree with Moss here. We, the self-contained citizens of Japanatica, have so far been outplayed by Chieftess and her chat ringers from other parts of CFC. So we need to adapt and move on, blackheart.

I asked for politics and I got it. The fun is just beginning..........

Just so we're clear. CT has nothing to do with the fact that I'm here.

In fact...you can thank Zarn for that.

Oh, and btw...I've been in chat off and on for a long time. Do you think I would just all of the sudden come to this forum...or any others for the matter...just to change the tides of power?

 

[Cyc]

I am not talking about a conspiracy, if this comment was specifically directed at me. I was talking about friend's of Longasc voting for him, when he doesn't make any effort to actually run for office. It's not a conspiracy because we all know it is going on.

Citizens will frequently vote based on personal feelings rather than reputation of a candidate or the platform he or she puts up. The problem is that Longsac has no reputation in DGV, no platform, and has not tried at all to fix this.

Cheiftess, you talk about an 'old vs. new' split. This is it right here. If someone who hadn't been on the CivFanatics Board for that long (a n00b), tried to run for such an important position without any platform or rep., do you think he or she would have a chance? As a n00b, I am discouraged that someone can show up, sit down on a chair without a word, and have his friends pick him up and carry him into office. I am discouraged that you, Cheiftess, would deny that it is happening. Furthermore, you try to make Longasc out to be the victim. The red/bold text also irks me (ha! didn't swear!).

Welcome to the CFC Demogame, Crimso. This type of Mod gameplay will never change. Pretty soon they will start calling you paranoid and claiming everything you post has to do with conspiracies. Then they'll start tracking your every move through the forums and have "special alerts" pop up when you sign on. But remember, YOU'RE the one that's paranoid. There is nothing you can do to combat Mods that try to own a game. Just learn to live with it. Otherwise you'll start getting banned (that's how they win their arguements). I was lucky enough to nail CT with another PI/CC recently, as she likes to flagrantly break the rules that the rest of us lay down. But I'm supposed to be the trouble-maker, even though I have never had a PI/CC filed against me. I'm glad the citizens of the DG world are starting to see the light.

Blackheart, I suppose you did not read this post by Longasc, now did you? Now do you have any comments regarding his plan?

I read that post GA (who's been around a lot longer than last September) and what i saw was this - "My first step as a trade advisor will be to chat with the other ministers, evaluate the situation and listen to their strategic goals. Then I will adapt Japanatica's trade to fulfill their wishes as much as it is possible."

I don't want my Leaders making policy in the chatroom. This is a forum-based game. I want to read what my Leaders are doing when I look at their Government thread, they discussions in the Citizen's sub-forum, and their polls. This crap about doing everything in the chat is a sleazy back-door way of doing things.

Seriously. You need to get around more. He has a ton of posts...how could you have not seen him?

No, I don't need to get around more. I play in the Demogame, not the Off-Topic Forums or some other game that doesn't take any group dedication. Longsac doesn't have a ton of posts here. If he has tons of posts elsewhere, let him run for Office there. Our citizens need to know just where CT's recruits stand before we elect them to a Leader position. How could I have missed ALL his posts? Like I said, I'm involved with the game he's trying to muscle his way into. And who is Moss, anyway?

This is an interesting election, and a good example of block-voting. I do wonder, however, how many of the votes are from actual citizens. Perhaps, given the circumstances, a inquiry be made into this, matching the voters to a list of citizens.

Ravensfire, don't YOU even go there. You're just making yourself look bad. You don't want public polls, yet you want to claim voter fraud and have SOMEONE (probably the one who hired the Mods) to examine everyone's ballot selection. Get you're story straight. Public elections would remove this problem altogether. Private elections will ensure Mod domination when and where they choose.

 

[Moss]

Cyc...first off it seems that you need to get more sleep. Or maybe eat more or get laid more often. I dunno. This is a GAME. Yes a game. I know it's hard to believe, but it is a game. Something you do for fun, for enjoyment, hell, maybe just for the heck of it. So a couple of things I would like to mention before you proclaim that the earth is flat and that you're going to push us off the edge for not abiding by your opinions of how this game should be run.

First I think that your seeming desire to inflame and irritate the mods is quite childish. I mean come on. They are the ones who run this site. This site hosts this game. So technically CT and the rest of the mods pretty much in control of what happens. Yes, they may have a personal interests in what happens here, but to claim that they directly or indirectly purposely affect the results of polls or unethically affect the outcome of this game is preposterous. It's insane. They are mods for a reason. And of course you aren't for a reason as well. It seems that you can't control your ego, and well, mods have to have a little sense in them.

As for new posters getting involved. I don't see what you are so upset about? Are you like the older brother who is afraid the young guns are going to steal your spotlight? Are you an elitest who thinks that you must have a million years of experience in the DG just to be considered for election? Are you completely ignorant of your surroundings to realize that this is a CIV forum and not a DG forum. Hence CIV trumps DG and if a Civ forum moderator wants to do something to this precious DG they will and have every right to.

CT's recruits aren't CT's recruits. Sorry buddy. Maybe you should get a little more background before you stick your head up something so far you look like a complete fool. Longasc isn't running because CT wanted him to run. Nor is anyone else. Chatting with some members of the DG is not a crime. Maybe you should try it once. Again I stress that this is a Civ forum with a DG inside of it. We chat at a Civ chat and occationally the DG gets raised. There is no conspiracy against anyone in this DG and the Chatters and non chatters alike are all the same. Until recently I've been in chat for a long time and I hadn't heard at thing about a DG.

As for who I am...the simplest way to find that out is probably to click the link in my sig. Oh, if that doesn't go against your "I'M AN ONLY DG FORUM GUY, WHO CARES ABOUT THE REST OF THE FORUMS" attitude. Seriously...quit being so paronoid and quitting making the mods and CT out to be the bad people. You're ruining this DG for stupid reasons. Oh, and remember...you don't own this forum and you don't own this DG. Keep your role in mind and in check. And again, maybe you need to get out more?

One more thing. If you are unhappy with the way things are being run. Don't bash the mods in public. They have enough things to worry about. PM them if you want to gripe. Respect authority for once.

 

[Cyc]

No need to get your panties all bunch up, Moss. This is a forum-based game. People post their opinions about the game here. There is direct documentation with citizen support that says CT breaks the rules. That's not a fantasy, as you say. I notice you immediately jump on the conspiracy/paranoid bandwagon. Typical.

I have never wanted to be a Mod here. Couldn't think of a reason why I would want to babysit rulebreakers. I do have fun here, plenty of it. But when others ignore the rules and force their will on people my fun level goes down. I also don't have much fun when they bring in posters who claim to know what's going on, just so they can slash and trash citizens that nail them with a PI/CC. How many posts have you made here, Moss? It really helps me realize the greatness of the judgemental ones when I've seen evidence of their work. I tend to ignore those who are told what to write beforehand.

 

[Nobody]

cyc, what if someone else who happens to be in the demogame, lives down the road, is it wrong for us to talk about the demogame. What if a minister and deputy minister email each other to discuss things is this wrong because its not in the forums. What if two players from the demogame happen to be in the same Civilizations forum at the same time, are they allowed to speak of the demogame. Made you should change the constituion :

The first rule of demogame, you do not talk about the Demogame.
The Second rule of the demogame, you do not talk about the demogame.
The thrid rule of the demogame, if its your first demogame you dont matter.

 

[Moss]

But when others ignore the rules and force their will on people my fun level goes down.

I agree, and maybe you should look at yourself in the mirror.

I also don't have much fun when they bring in posters who claim to know what's going on, just so they can slash and trash citizens that nail them with a PI/CC.

Claim? Those who have laid claim to know what's going on do know what is going on. Oh and I'm sorry if you haven't gotten this through your thick head yet. NO ONE HAS BROUGHT ANY POSTERS IN FOR ANY REASONS Quit thinking everyone is against you. No one asked me to come here and post this stuff. I do my work independently and on my own.

It really helps me realize the greatness of the judgemental ones when I've seen evidence of their work. I tend to ignore those who are told what to write beforehand.

Hmm...someone telling me what to write...yeah...that's it. You've got me now. God has sent forth his voice from the heavens above and has told me to crush you into a little pile of cells and bones. Yep...that's it. If only I hadn't listened to that voice inside of my head saying "Gosh this guy is nuts, I should reply to him." If only I hadn't listened to that voice, I wouldn't be facing accusations of having a mind behind my pen.

 

[classical_hero]

I really do not want this on an election thread because it is meant to be about the Candidates. With regards to the issue, CT did break the rules, a minor violation, and she got punished for it. The case seems to have been closed along time ago and yet I still here it being talked about as if it happened yesterday. It is anyones right to join this game as long as they are a member of CFC. It is also the right of anyone who wants to go for an elected position. Who was the one who nominated Longasc? It was himself, not a CT conspiracy. I just want to have fun and forget about these stupid conspiracy talks, because there is none.

 

[Cyc]

cyc, what if someone else who happens to be in the demogame, lives down the road, is it wrong for us to talk about the demogame. What if a minister and deputy minister email each other to discuss things is this wrong because its not in the forums. What if two players from the demogame happen to be in the same Civilizations forum at the same time, are they allowed to speak of the demogame. Made you should change the constituion :

The first rule of demogame, you do not talk about the Demogame.
The Second rule of the demogame, you do not talk about the demogame.
The thrid rule of the demogame, if its your first demogame you dont matter.

I can see answering Moss is a worthless venture, but Nobody has laid a foundation of work that I can see and deal with. In answer to your question Nobody, I don't have a problem with people talking about the DG anywhere, anyplace, or anytime. Chatrooms are designed for that. You live next to Poster9 and want to go to a coffee shop to discuss the game, fine by me.

What I'm talking about is making policy in the Chatroom. That's dumb in a forum-based game. You want to formulate a basic paln in the Chatroom and then bring it to the forums for everyone to see and discuss, fine by me. Problem is, right now Longasc is the current leader in this election and all of his plans have been done in his bedroom or in the chatroom. Where are his theories about the game (our game)? Where are the foundations for his claims? What's the basis for his approach to the Trade Department. Sorry, I don't/can't hang around a Chatroom all day and post private windows criticizing others. I do my work out in the open in these forums, where everyone can see what I stand for. I don't need to hide.

I have nothing against new players. Nothing! That is just more trash from people who yell "Conspiracy! He's paranoid! or He's Crazy!" They all say the same thing 'cause that's the way these chatters traditionally trash people. They just repeat themselves over and over.

Ask Provolution if I suppress new people. Ask Moth if I do. Ask Tim Bentley. Ask any of the many people I've help (including Zarn) who were newbies. I've probably helped more newbies than most people here. This "anti-new people" claim is just anther useless tactic used by "some" to degrade others. Just the same old crap. It's like they're reading a script, written by.... n/m.

 

[Moss]

Cyc...until you can get off the "It's like they're reading a script, written by...n/m" bandwagon you're hopeless.

Oh, and I'm glad to see that you've found that responding to my posts are difficult and mind-boggling.

 

[Provolution]

Very funny Nobody.

Reminds me fo the Fightclub, this could be the Forum Club hehehehe.

The first rule of demogame, you do not talk about the Demogame.
The Second rule of the demogame, you do not talk about the demogame.
The thrid rule of the demogame, if its your first demogame you dont matter.

But Cyc is right, that he is not attacking newbees with ambitions. However, I would not flag DG experience or chat-room affiliation high in here. DG experience and chat-expertise are in general dubious skills and I would love to see people talk about the game, not agendas. I feel I walk a tightrope of hawks and doves, and the few Embryons that are still left, are "redlined" or culturally converted to use Civ terms.

 

[ravensfire]

Cyc,

I've got some concerns about the election, some things just don't seem quite right. Elections are, and must be, private, so that is the only means available to us. Will it happen - doubtfully. Should it happen - doubtfully. One or two people raising a concern isn't enough for something like this to happen.

-- Ravensfire

 

[eyrei]

Moderator Action: I hope this isn't the way you guys plan on greeting new members for now on. This conversation is over. Eyrei.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Longasc]

I just read this thread, and it is disgusting.

Some seem to have an aversion against Chieftess and people who are usually in the chatroom. Several persons use such a harsh tone that I doubt they should participate in this game at all.

It will also be hard to get any new players if some only want to accept those who fit into their scheme for insanely stupid reasons!

Is this about playing a game of Civ in a somehow democratic way. I think all who think that newbies need to join this game with a reputation should play with their kin in the Kindergarten. That is the right place for such behaviour.


I am no child, please threat me not like your quite young buddies, and I think both me and Chieftess - if not even more people - can demand an apology for such rudeness. You could just not vote for me, instead of starting a flame thread!

Just give me a chance and I will show you that I can make an excellent job as Trade Advisor.

 

[Longasc]

One more thing: My "tons" of postings are mainly in the Civ3 Forums... not in off-topic and elsewhere. This is where I got my Civ3 skills, surely not HERE in debates like that.

 

[Cyc]

I just read this thread, and it is disgusting.

Some seem to have an aversion against Chieftess and people who are usually in the chatroom. Several persons use such a harsh tone that I doubt they should participate in this game at all.

It will also be hard to get any new players if some only want to accept those who fit into their scheme for insanely stupid reasons!

Is this about playing a game of Civ in a somehow democratic way. I think all who think that newbies need to join this game with a reputation should play with their kin in the Kindergarten. That is the right place for such behaviour.


I am no child, please threat me not like your quite young buddies, and I think both me and Chieftess - if not even more people - can demand an apology for such rudeness. You could just not vote for me, instead of starting a flame thread!

Just give me a chance and I will show you that I can make an excellent job as Trade Advisor.

Yes, I agree. Moss used tones that were pretty harsh and rude, but what can you do. I also agree that these people shouldn't restrict the new players who fit into their scheme for insanely stupid reasons! That is pretty dumb. But I don't think anyone asked newbies to join with a reputation. That was more of a pushing of an unknown on the citizens by someone telling us you were good, so accept it. But I see your point.

And you're right about some people being childish, but this IS a public forum, so getting an apology from posters like Moss may be a little difficult.

One thing I feel is insanely stupid (to quote a friend) is an unknown showing up on election day and beating out a consistant poster. That's something we need to work on.

I'm so glad eyrei didn't close this thread.

 

[Longasc]

I think you should stop accusing Moss.

I reported your post as your behaviour is intolerable.


Instead of kind words and respect, irony and sarcasm. This is not okay.