Thanks Brad

[bio_hazard]

All I'm saying is that isn't likely to get us an optimally working Civ4 any faster. Having the developers as active members here can only strengthen the mac civ community. If a person is unsatisfied, return the game, but don't burn our bridges for us.

 

[galganog]

I Has A Troll Mom Can I Keep Him????


:3

 

[AlanH]

Thank you .... for changing to using civilized tones to discuss this topic. I realise that forums rules dictate that you should always behave in a civilized manner, and therefore you are only doing what you are required to do, so maybe there's no reason to say "Thank you". But I will anyway

We are where we are. Some may just want their money back, and to tell Aspyr never to ask for it again. Others may prefer that the game they bought is fixed as soon as possible. Aspyr know they have a problem, and regardless of what we think of the way it arose they are the only people who can fix it going forward. "Thank you" is just a civilized way to respond to and encourage someone trying to fix a problem, whoever created it in the first place.

If Aspyr can take advantage of historical good will that Brad has built up over the years to fix it sooner then that's their call. We can choose to tell them to go away and use their own resources to fix it, maybe taking longer, or we can help to provide diagnostic information, and maybe speed the process. And we can do either of these things politely or rudely. In my experience politeness gets better results, but YMMV.

However, it's clear that none of this debate is going to change anyone's mind

 

[MAS]

Thank you .... for changing to using civilized tones to...

Wait, that word "civilized" that you use, it reminds me of something...
I remember this place on the net called "Civilization Fanatics' center" or somerhing... uhm, or are the two unrelated?
Both words start with "civiliz."

 

[chicagodan]

I think it would be useful for everyone who comes to CivFanatics to take a look at Brad Oliver's blog. This post in particular is very informative about the economics of Mac ports today in wake of Boot Camp and other (rapidly improving) technologies to run Windows on a Mac. Net-net, the guy makes his living porting games to Mac and that business could evaporate soon.

http://www.brad-oliver.com:8081/~boliver/blog/archives/000833.html

Also, take a look at this post regarding the difficulty of porting Civ IV to Mac. Hard not to sympathize with the guy given these facts.

http://www.brad-oliver.com:8081/~boliver/blog/archives/000810.html

 

[AzCoder]

Like many (err probably all) of you, Civ 4 is not working well on my Macs.

I agree with Wiglaff that if Aspyr "aspires" to sell a game that it should be playable.

In my opinion, civ 4 is not playable on my iMac g5 but it is playable on my Intel Macbook pro. In this regard the system requirements are probably misleading.

On the other side of the coin, I think it is critically important to support efforts to port games to the mac.

I, for one, am grateful for the efforts of Brad and Aspyr to port games to the mac.

I have a strong suspicion that the codebase for Civ is difficult to port. The fact that they developed with Direct X instead of OpenGL, or used proprietary Microsoft XML librariesis indicates a total disregard of portability. It is very unfortunate that Firaxis failed to utilize developers with some notion of platform portability. If you design for portability from the start, it is not nearly as expensive as if you ignore it completely.

Realizing that there is no way Brad could ever publicly comment on the code quality, we must give him the benefit of the doubt.

It may well be that the choice is either have a buggy, non-performing port or nothing at all.

In that case, I still prefer a slow, buggy $50 port rather than nothing.

Now I will return to playing Civ 4.....on the PC ;-)

 

[Cougarcat]

Realizing that there is no way Brad could ever publicly comment on the code quality, we must give him the benefit of the doubt.

Brad talks about the enormous complexity of the code here.

 

[Brad Oliver]

It didn't work on some ATI cards. What else are you referring to? You're even making excuses for Brad now.

I don't mind the personal insults, but if you want to really stick it to me, feel free to do it in private. I have two dogs, two cats, a wife, and of course, a mother if you wish to include them in any personal attacks as well.

I can be reached at "brad AT aspyr DOT com" or "bradman AT pobox DOT com". The former is more direct as it doesn't have layers of spam filters on it. For best effect, use all caps to really get my attention.

 

[Brad Oliver]

In my opinion, civ 4 is not playable on my iMac g5 but it is playable on my Intel Macbook pro. In this regard the system requirements are probably misleading.

I just posted another thread about this, but we did identify a serious performance problem that affects some (but not all - I'm sadly not afflicted) PowerPC-based Macs. I suspect yours is probably in that category, and we should have this fixed in the upcoming patch.

 

[AlexandrNyetski]

Just throwing in a thanks-brad myself. i remain convinced that having people from the organization that makes the software available directlly in the communities of most dedicated consumers should pay off for the development organization.

 

[vitaboy]

I have serious performance problems on my 1.8 GHz iMac G5, but I'm on Brad's side here. I appreciate that he is taking our complaints seriously.

Not really sorry to say, but wiglaff seriously needs to chill. In my experience, people with his kind of attitude think they're all that and hot ****, but most certainly, most everyone here is laughing behind his back.

 

[wiglaff]

The mere thought that most members of this forum are laughing at me behind my back simply makes me crap myself in embarrassment.

 

[girtholomew]

We want it fixed - we might as well help them as it will more quickly bring that about.

It takes very little time and just involves contacting support and posting here.

Aspyr shouldn't have released - they clearly released early for commercial reasons. Is that Brad's fault? Probably not.

You're such a time-waster; one of those sad people who bowls around message-boards, on a wind-up, trying to post as negatively as possible. You've got a lot of unvented anger (you're not ****ed up - just not quite happy with life) and this is a good outlet for you. Try and be useful and helpful, instead of being a turd and wasting people's time. It's so lame and so pointless. I doubt you'd have the confidence or presence to sit in a room with actual people and say these things to their face but you love the veil of anonymity and distance that a forum provides and abuse it with gay abandon, wasting your time and the time of those on this forum. Please - for your own sake and that of your family, get a life.

 

[AlanH]

Moderator Action:
@Vitaboy and girtholomew:
Please stop making user-specific attacks.

Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
This thread had moved on past the name-calling stage into a reasoned discussion, only to be dragged back down. Cease and desist.

 

[girtholomew]

Apologies....ceasing and desisting

 

[Macintosh]

I would like to join in this chant:

Thanx to Brad and his team for all the work in giving us Civ 4.

It was a rough launch due to the surprising OS 10.4.7. Update, but we can see you handle this issue with high engagement.

So thank you and keep up doing your great work