The Age of Despair
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thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
good as in Not Infernal... Giggles is a good hero!
Avahz Darkwood
Emperor
I have always felt that Thomas.berubeg's view on the finale days of Erebus(sp) were some what what i would consider to be what happens in the end. A world without hope will die in despair. My one suggestion, if there are ways of winning this (and I am sure there is) a return of Hope in some form must be taken into account. Maybe Danalin(sp) awakens and takes the mantel of hope?? Maybe a new god of Hope or something, maybe the ONE returns and fries lil Hobo's Buffalo wings in a savory honey dipping sauce MMMMMmmmmMMMMM served on the side a nice fried dish of black and gold arch angel wings... 
Can you tell I am looking foward to this one!!!!
Can you tell I am looking foward to this one!!!!
Avahz Darkwood
Emperor
Maybe once the Age of Dispair has concluded an eternal age of death or an eternal age of salvation. The actions of man will either damn their immortal souls until the One separates the wheat from the shaft, or a new golden EPOCH shining though out the Heavens and as example of the ONE's true final plan of his creations.
Avahz Darkwood
Emperor
Humm shouldn't we be allow to play Hyborem or one of his evil vassal states? It would be the finale of good vs evil.
Avahz Darkwood
Emperor
How about bringing back the Kuriotites(sp) but instead of that snot nosed little boy. Let the Dragon be the actual leader and the head of the Cult of the Dragon. They already represent an eclectic mix of different races, yet now more than ever they need each other to survive. Instead of wanting peace and big cities they are secretly preparing for a final battle with Hyborem.
Hero: Eurabaties(sp)
Hero: Eurabaties(sp)
Justicar333
Warlord
I like the ideal of being able to play as Hyborem's vassal. Stuipd computers keep getting to hide behind big powers, why can't we? 
megamanx06
Caswallan
are the other civs not supposed to have heroes or have they just not been made yet?
my idea is have a world improvement that represents basium's corpse (deep in infernal territory), and have it so that if a civ worshiping order casts resurection on it (maybe a few casters), basium will be resurrected with heavy damage, or just have doing that re-found the mercurians (have him retire and become a ruler instead of fighting, because of his heavy injuries) so that angels have a place to spawn
definitely need to add the amurites back in as a civilization. Maybe have an event caused by discovering a tech or a certain time that causes the amurites to spawn with a few settlers, a new hero designed, less to instruct other units (unlike Govvie-love him, but not enough power), than to cast a few spells unique to him, and a bunch of highly promoted adepts.
edit: an add in, have the Armageddon counter work in reverse, and have discovering angels (a possible dungeon result - "You find an imprisoned angel deep within the dungeon!"), removing hell terrain (using sanctify), and other events lower the AC (or raise the Repentance Counter), with good events occurring as it gets lower (or higher).
edit 2: if you add in the Amurites, possibly replace the CotD (or add it in, if you can find a way) with the Rites of Ohgma religion, which favors knowlege over participation in the war.
my idea is have a world improvement that represents basium's corpse (deep in infernal territory), and have it so that if a civ worshiping order casts resurection on it (maybe a few casters), basium will be resurrected with heavy damage, or just have doing that re-found the mercurians (have him retire and become a ruler instead of fighting, because of his heavy injuries) so that angels have a place to spawn
definitely need to add the amurites back in as a civilization. Maybe have an event caused by discovering a tech or a certain time that causes the amurites to spawn with a few settlers, a new hero designed, less to instruct other units (unlike Govvie-love him, but not enough power), than to cast a few spells unique to him, and a bunch of highly promoted adepts.
edit: an add in, have the Armageddon counter work in reverse, and have discovering angels (a possible dungeon result - "You find an imprisoned angel deep within the dungeon!"), removing hell terrain (using sanctify), and other events lower the AC (or raise the Repentance Counter), with good events occurring as it gets lower (or higher).
edit 2: if you add in the Amurites, possibly replace the CotD (or add it in, if you can find a way) with the Rites of Ohgma religion, which favors knowlege over participation in the war.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
So, depending on snow tomorrow, i'm going to start converting my .34 version files to .40, hopefully i can get a preliminary version out before i leave for two weeks
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
are the other civs not supposed to have heroes or have they just not been made yet?
my idea is have a world improvement that represents basium's corpse (deep in infernal territory), and have it so that if a civ worshiping order casts resurection on it (maybe a few casters), basium will be resurrected with heavy damage, or just have doing that re-found the mercurians (have him retire and become a ruler instead of fighting, because of his heavy injuries) so that angels have a place to spawn
definitely need to add the amurites back in as a civilization. Maybe have an event caused by discovering a tech or a certain time that causes the amurites to spawn with a few settlers, a new hero designed, less to instruct other units (unlike Govvie-love him, but not enough power), than to cast a few spells unique to him, and a bunch of highly promoted adepts.
Thanks for the Input
The other Civ's heros' haven't been designed yet, which is why they aren't there. do you have any ideas?
The amurites, much as i love them, are a dead civ, or assimilated into the various other civilizations... as efficient magic wierlders, the Infernal deemed them too much of a threat. however, some enclaves still survive, hidden.
Unfortunatly, According to the lore, Basium's Body cannot be in the world, as he is an angel, and upon his "death" will be dragged back into his patron God's Vault (though, of course... as he no longer has the portection of his god, i don't know what would happen.)
however, you gave me a good idea with that: the leader of the Braduk Alliance is Brigid the Shining.
megamanx06
Caswallan
maybe each human civ could have a few heroes to represent the emergence of great people in the time of impending doom? or add in hero to the great people list, and have a monument structure which generates points for it. Or, it could replace the old great general points from bts, since combat would help with the emergence of heroes.
megamanx06
Caswallan
i'm bustling with ideas, i just can't write them all down. I would love to help you with this, but i have virtually no programming skills (i just started learning python) and i often get bored with what i'm doing and give up... i think i've finished two civ games because i forgot to turn time victory off, and another couple from spaceship victories, and about 100 unfinished games which i have to delete periodically to be able to distinguish which is my current game...
edit: however, one thing i'm horrible at is coming up with names, so sorry, i don't have any hero ideas for you
edit: however, one thing i'm horrible at is coming up with names, so sorry, i don't have any hero ideas for you
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Any help is appreciated... (especially Python, as i've not yet learned how to program python)
thanks.
Any ideas you have, feel freee to write down.
thanks.
Any ideas you have, feel freee to write down.
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
If this is entered into the Scenario Contest, how about make it be unlocked by loosing the Lord of the Balors scenario?
I may be willing to help make this scenario, both with lore and python, but I should probably try to focus on my modmod and later school instead.
I'm not really sure that Basium's body would go to join his soul in his god's vault if he were slain. Sucellus's did not, and I don't think Cassiel's did either. Basium no longer serves Arawn, but there is still a chance that his soul would return anyway, just like the majority of human souls which are not claimed by a god. (He certainly won't be ascending to the heaven of the new god of his old sphere.) I personally tend to think that he may be in for a rude awakening upon his death: his extreme militancy might just drag his soul to the eternal battle fields of Camulos' hell. He may continue to fight evil there for centuries, but the brutality of the war would slowly corrupt him until he is as much a demon as anyone he fights. I don't see him showing the mercy needed to work his way out, so every victory would taint his soul and keep redemption further away. I can imagine him usurping the Throne of Camulos (as everyone in that hell seeks to do) to have the power to fight demons better, but ending up just as cruel as the evil god he replaced.
You know, it could be quite interesting if the scenario presented resurrecting Basium as the greatest hope for Erebus, but then when you succeeded at that goal you found that he is now a demon bent on your destruction. This is the Age of Despair after all, so such hopes must be empty.
I may be willing to help make this scenario, both with lore and python, but I should probably try to focus on my modmod and later school instead.
I'm not really sure that Basium's body would go to join his soul in his god's vault if he were slain. Sucellus's did not, and I don't think Cassiel's did either. Basium no longer serves Arawn, but there is still a chance that his soul would return anyway, just like the majority of human souls which are not claimed by a god. (He certainly won't be ascending to the heaven of the new god of his old sphere.) I personally tend to think that he may be in for a rude awakening upon his death: his extreme militancy might just drag his soul to the eternal battle fields of Camulos' hell. He may continue to fight evil there for centuries, but the brutality of the war would slowly corrupt him until he is as much a demon as anyone he fights. I don't see him showing the mercy needed to work his way out, so every victory would taint his soul and keep redemption further away. I can imagine him usurping the Throne of Camulos (as everyone in that hell seeks to do) to have the power to fight demons better, but ending up just as cruel as the evil god he replaced.
You know, it could be quite interesting if the scenario presented resurrecting Basium as the greatest hope for Erebus, but then when you succeeded at that goal you found that he is now a demon bent on your destruction. This is the Age of Despair after all, so such hopes must be empty.
This would be cool, but wouldn't Basium still go for Hyborem no matter how twisted he's become?
xienwolf
Deity
He doesn't care specifically about Hyborem so much as about taking out all Demons. So after a long enough time in Hell with the only possible allies being Demons (oh, I'll work with them now, then I'll turn on them when the bigger enemies are dead...), he just might see Hyborem as a convenient temporary ally.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Is ti possible (lore wise) to drag a soul back out of hell and into it's body? Especially a soul as powerful as Basium's?
MagisterCultuum
Great Sage
Probably.
Sucellus, who as a god is surely greater than Basium, had his soul released from Arawn's Netherworld and reunited with his body. I'm not quite sure if it can be "dragged" out forcibly, but if he wanted to return and had a powerful caster of Life magic helping it could be done. (You know, it was Basium who was supposed to guard the passage back to the world of the living, but he had already abandoned his god by then. Regardless, Basium probably knows more of resurrection than anyone but Sucellus.)
Charadon's soul was resurrected from Camulos's vault, the same place I imagined that Basium would have gone. Presumably Baron Duin Halfmorn's soul dwelt in this vault too, making it seem like it might be one of the easier ones to return from. Maybe the god of chaos isn't very strict about enforcing the rules that keep souls from leaving, and even if he is then one of the many pretenders to his throne could probably sneak someone out from the parts of his hell that they control.
I'm not really sure that Basium would ever agree to ally himself with Hyborem, at least unless going against a much bigger foe than the player. He obviously would if it meant taking down (and in his corrupted state, usurping) Agares, but I don't see it happening against mortal enemies. He may hate those who let him perish, but he still hates (his fellow) demons more. I was just thinking that it could be good if the Crazed Demonic Basium returned as a Barbarian, and in doing so broke the peace with the Infernals. (If Basium has risen thought the demonic ranks from fighting in Camulos's hell then he would essentially be the new Avatar of Wrath. Maybe he should have some Ira tag along with him when he returns.) He would certainly not be friendly to the player, but infighting amongst demonic factions could be exploited. This way resurrecting him is a big risk, but not something that a player would only do if he had never played the scenario before.
Sucellus, who as a god is surely greater than Basium, had his soul released from Arawn's Netherworld and reunited with his body. I'm not quite sure if it can be "dragged" out forcibly, but if he wanted to return and had a powerful caster of Life magic helping it could be done. (You know, it was Basium who was supposed to guard the passage back to the world of the living, but he had already abandoned his god by then. Regardless, Basium probably knows more of resurrection than anyone but Sucellus.)
Charadon's soul was resurrected from Camulos's vault, the same place I imagined that Basium would have gone. Presumably Baron Duin Halfmorn's soul dwelt in this vault too, making it seem like it might be one of the easier ones to return from. Maybe the god of chaos isn't very strict about enforcing the rules that keep souls from leaving, and even if he is then one of the many pretenders to his throne could probably sneak someone out from the parts of his hell that they control.
I'm not really sure that Basium would ever agree to ally himself with Hyborem, at least unless going against a much bigger foe than the player. He obviously would if it meant taking down (and in his corrupted state, usurping) Agares, but I don't see it happening against mortal enemies. He may hate those who let him perish, but he still hates (his fellow) demons more. I was just thinking that it could be good if the Crazed Demonic Basium returned as a Barbarian, and in doing so broke the peace with the Infernals. (If Basium has risen thought the demonic ranks from fighting in Camulos's hell then he would essentially be the new Avatar of Wrath. Maybe he should have some Ira tag along with him when he returns.) He would certainly not be friendly to the player, but infighting amongst demonic factions could be exploited. This way resurrecting him is a big risk, but not something that a player would only do if he had never played the scenario before.
thomas.berubeg
Wandering the World
Is it possible to have Two differnet Barbarian Civilizations?
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