The Alexander the Great Project!

[The Capo]

I got a little sidetracked on the background making some Dutch flavor units, I started on Portugal but I'm having a tough time making their Rifleman (which I am basing on the Cacadores if anyone is interested in giving me some ideas) anyway since I've hit that snag I figured I might as well start on that background again, also since it looks like Bernie is nearly finished. Ekemek you mentioned that you were going to pull something from the Oliver Stone movie and I was wondering if you've had time to do that yet or if you had a specific idea becuase I was going to add some glare and maybe a bird or two.

Also does anyone know how I can add the birds to the bg. I looked at the main menu BG for BtS and basically the birds are part of the animation. I guess what I'm getting at is this; how can I add that part to an LH BG?

 

[The_Coyote]

@The Coyote.....i woulf be very happy to make a "silver version" if u like (helm, shoulders & scale)

thanks for the offer, and yes, if it doesn´t makes to much work i would be a very grateful receiver of the silver alexander

@The Capo
you have to copy (and adjust) the bg entry of the birds to the background you want [or shall i have a look? - i only have to know which background shall have birds]

Also which is the base skeleton and what i should look if it´s possilbe to change in the animations (i´m a bit lost here)

 

[The Capo]

@ The_Coyote; I am pretty sure we are using Zara Yaqob as the base skeleton (I could be wrong though, but the animations are Zara's), as far as the background goes; you can pretty much use any background you want to see how possible it was. Basically what my intention was (and probably the intent of the entire team) was to give him some form of outdoor background. In that he'd be in a battlefield, or coming upon the shores of the Hellespont or something outside. So there would be a sky and the bird (or maybe birds, but right now I think we just want one) would fly by randomly while you were in diplomatic talks with him. We also wanted him awash in sunlight, so I was thinking we take the glare and the bird(s) from the BtS main menu nif, and place them in Alex's background. That's the basic idea. Ekmek said he'd scrounge up a background image so at this point I am not sure what we are doing but honestly we could start with any background and change the dds/tga file whenver we needed too. I was thinking of using the background from that "Arab Leaderhead" that was just recently placed in the database as a placeholder since it is similar to what we are looking for.

 

[Ekmek]

yeah its Zara's Skeleton and animations. if you download the one i posted and atatched the kf you'll see that the biggets problem in the some animations is that his arm goe sinto his chest.

I haven't gotten any BG images yet. hopefully this weekend.

 

[mechaerik]

I got a little sidetracked on the background making some Dutch flavor units, I started on Portugal but I'm having a tough time making their Rifleman (which I am basing on the Cacadores if anyone is interested in giving me some ideas) anyway since I've hit that snag I figured I might as well start on that background again, also since it looks like Bernie is nearly finished. Ekemek you mentioned that you were going to pull something from the Oliver Stone movie and I was wondering if you've had time to do that yet or if you had a specific idea becuase I was going to add some glare and maybe a bird or two.

Also does anyone know how I can add the birds to the bg. I looked at the main menu BG for BtS and basically the birds are part of the animation. I guess what I'm getting at is this; how can I add that part to an LH BG?

For the Caçadores, I would suggest taking the cannonier and using that, with a different head, based on this pic:

 

[The Capo]

For the Caçadores, I would suggest taking the cannonier and using that, with a different head, based on this pic:

Thanks, I already have a couple of models in the works though. And honestly this is the wrong thread for that. Which is a surprise coming from Mecha "this is not the place for that post" erik.

 

[The Capo]

Well anyway, back to the "what do we do with the old Alex?" question. I have reskinned his armor so we can use him as a different Greek leader, not that his old armor wouldn't have worked but I think this might have a slightly better look to it...

What do you guys think?

BTW, this is from Garret Sadzika (I probably misspelled that one) and his Croesus LH. I just recolored it a bit and reworked it (a lot).

 

[Vrenir]

I think possibly remove the laurels also. They're a bit over-the-top for most Greek leaders. I'm thinking Antiochus III perhaps?

 

[The Capo]

I think possibly remove the laurels also. They're a bit over-the-top for most Greek leaders. I'm thinking Antiochus III perhaps?

Well I could always alter him slightly here and there. I was thinking of removing the laurels but I'd like to put a crown on him if that were the case. I was thinking a helmet but I was going to make an improved Leonidas who will be wearing a helmet for my mod and I don't want two helmeted Greeks. Although a black and gold helmet with a white plume would look pretty friggin awesome actually. Anyway I was thinking Cleisthenes or Themistocles. Ekmek has suggested Phyrrus and I am sure there are a plethora (is that a Greek word?) of other possible leaders. I just figured the armor re-skin would look cool, so its not like anyone has to use this reskin or anything.

I would shy away from going for a post-Alexandrian leader. Although Antiochus could be cool, I could give him a nice crown (like a gold strap around his head like in the coin) and everything but in my mod I am adding Ptolemy as a leader for Egypt so I feel like if I added a Seleucian King it wouldn't make sense if he was a Greek leader while Ptolemy is an Egyptian leader. You know what I mean?

But you can do whatever you want with it.

 

[The Capo]

Well here's an image with him wearing a crown (or that head strap thingy that they always have on in coins, I don't know what its called). It actually does look like Antiochus III if you compare it to the coins he minted, but anyway I think this is simple and polished enough and there is no need for anymore gawdy ornaments or anything like that. So what do you guys think? We've got Civ 4 Alex replaced completely methinks.

EDIT: Or to piss Ekmek off we can just call him Caligula!

 

[Vrenir]

Looks good. If you made him Antiochus, you'd just need to make him Babylonian. Then you could have a scenario with the major post-Alexandrian factions vying for control, perhaps an expanded Rise of Rome.

 

[The Capo]

Looks good. If you made him Antiochus, you'd just need to make him Babylonian. Then you could have a scenario with the major post-Alexandrian factions vying for control, perhaps an expanded Rise of Rome.

Like I said, I am not going to make him Antiochus in my mod, but I welcome anyone to do whatever they want with him (and as I said, he honestly really does look like Antiochus from the coin, especially with the crown). When I post him I'll just put him up with Alexander's normal background and just call him "Greek Leader," but I am going to wait until Alexander is finished to post him. No need to replace the guy until he is ready to be replaced.

I am also heavily considering throwing on Pericles' helmet with a white plume and uploading two options too. I think a nice black helmet with gold trim and a white plume would look really good on this LH.

 

[Ekmek]

I am also heavily considering throwing on Pericles' helmet with a white plume and uploading two options too. I think a nice black helmet with gold trim and a white plume would look really good on this LH.

actually that my be a cool way to make him Achilles. pre-alexander and a well known greek

 

[The Capo]

Well, I should tone the gold on the helmet down a bit, and maybe add something to the chinguards (decorations that is) but check this . .. .. .. . out . .. .. .. .. .es....

I could see this being used for a fantasy mod or something. Although the former LH with just the crown is, in my opinion, better for an historically accurate mod. I like them both though and I'll probably release them together. Although perhaps I should give this one Pericles' arms. I could have battle-ready and at-home Greek Leader or something like that.

 

[IgorS]

This is all nice, but I'm confused. Maybe we could somehow organize the best ideas for the old Alexander. I'm not really good in ancient Greek history, so except for Alexander the Great and Pericles there are no other Greek leaders that come to my mind.
We had Pyrrhus of Epirus, who really looks like the Alexander with the helmet.

So it is actually a pretty good idea.

Antiochus III.

Might work too, but he was post-Alexandrian and Seleucid. On the other hand, he was called "the Great" and was a powerful ruler of a Hellenistic empire.

Who else might work?

 

[The Capo]

Who else might work?

I think I listed a few above. If the question is "what POSSIBLE Greek leader do we need?" then I'd throw in Lysander of Sparta as a good one (probably actually better than Leonidas to be honest), but if the question is "What leader could this be?" I'd say Phyrrus of Epirus, Aristides, or Themistocles. I actually think Themistocles would be cool because we could give him the background of Ragnar, make it Hellenistic and make the ship a greek ship (the one floating in the background, bobbing up and down), I think that it would look cool and with the helmet on it would be hard to confuse him as simply a clone of Alexander. That might be where I want to go with this. In my mod I intend on adding two more Greek leaders, and I am leaning towards Themistocles and Lysander (to represent Sparta).

 

[phungus420]

Maybe if you gave him a beard he could be Demosthenes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosthenes

 

[IgorS]

Maybe if you gave him a beard he could be Demosthenes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demosthenes

Themistocles also needs a beard, actually.

 

[The Capo]

I think the majority of these people would need beards actually. But I threw this together as just a representation of what I think a cool BG would be. Its ragnar's bg with replaced textures, so the ship looks Greek and the background is a model of a Greek Harbor. Now, obviously this is thrown together and nowhere near finished but I think the premise is cool. What do you guys think?

 

[Ekmek]

Solon is a possibilty.