The Christian Bible a good book?

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by floppa21
God promised to bring Jacob safely back from Egypt(Gen. 46:3-4) but God doesn't keep his promise and Jacob dies in Egypt. Gen. 49:27

I'd be fascinated to see your SAT scores, especially as regards reading comprehension. Where exactly in the passage
...for I shall constitute you into a great nation. I myself shall go down with you to Egypt and I myself shall surely bring you up also; and Joseph will lay his hand upon your eyes."
do you get any impression other than 'Go there, and your son Joseph will close your eyes in death, but you will have sired a nation of people in the meantime.'?

Originally posted by floppa21
Happiness is smashing your children with rocks. Psalms 137:9

Wow. Does the phrase 'taken grossly out of context' have any meaning for you? Given that this verse and the previous deal with the 'daughter of Babylon', a common reference to false religion, and the fact that the verse actually reads:
Happy will be he that grabs ahold and does dash to pieces, YOUR children against the crag.
it would be clear to any unbiased reader that God is promising that those who stand against false religion will be happy.

Originally posted by floppa21
This passage tells you what to do if you get your "seed of copulation" on yourself, your clothes, or your partner... lol: How many times has this happened to you?) Thank goodness we got the Bible! Lev. 15:16-18, 32

This is going to come as a shock of immense proportions to you, but man has not always had the same level of personal hygeine standards that he enjoys today. The fact that the Bible, in Leviticus and other books, can accurately prescribe a regimen of treatment for these situations literally thousands of years before a Red Cross nurse discovered the health benefits of soap and water, speaks volumes(pun intended) about the Bible's advanced, for the time, scientific accuracy. The fact that this is old news now in no way detracts from it being scientifically and medically beneficial.

Originally posted by floppa21
"My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him." Nuff said eh? SofS 5:4

Twice previously in the Bible, in Gen 43:30, and 1st Kings 3:26, mention is made of inward feelings, which the Scripture in question uses similar language to. Your interpretation is nonsensical, and not even befitting your own credulence, let alone my time to respond. I do so only to not be seen as ducking the issue.

Originally posted by floppa21
Big peepees in the Bible too! Ezekiel 23:20

Yep, big pee-pes in the Bible. Hung like mules and horses they were. That was back when men were men and sheep were nervous, in Assyria anyways... As all can probably guess, I'm about to ask...your point?

Originally posted by floppa21
So maybe I was a little too hard on the Bible, it is quite entertaining, if you can find the right verses...

Oh, it's all good.

 

[scorch]

Its alright to give away possesions, even if they aren't yours, as long as you are shrewd. Luke 16, 1-10

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Originally posted by scorch
Its alright to give away possesions, even if they aren't yours, as long as you are shrewd. Luke 16, 1-10

I actually study the Bible, and this passage was a little hazy at first, so I don't blame you for missing the point.

The lesson here was in practical wisdom, ie pragmatism. This guy in the parable was losing his job. Since he had nothing to lose, he figured that he would curry favor by helping several rich men. His master, who had heard accusations about him being a wasteful handler of goods, realised that the opposite was true, and that his steward was actually quite shrewd. Although his actions themselves were wrong, they were actions that disproved the allegations against him, and his unrighteous master appreciated the irony. Besides this, the parable also reinforced the lesson in Ecclesiastes 11:1, and in Luke 19:8, a man who made improper gains is shown making amends.

NEXT!

 

[scorch]

Chirst, there were some ****ed up people back then, i wouldn't be happy with one of my workers for giving away my goods.

 

[Apollo]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2


And what kind of people are running the place today? Peaceful, kindly, friendly folk, like the Canadians? Or bloodthirsty Muslim extremists? (...)

Without belabouring the obvious, once again you've obviously misinterpreted the Bible. That or you're holding it upside down...or something. Are you sure you have a Bible in your hands, and not a Denny's placemat? (Just checking, mind you.)

Even though none of your remarks FearlessLeader2 were directed at me, I was nevertheless offended by your previous several posts. The quotes above are just a couple examples of what your posts were composed of. The first quote I listed implies that Egypt is ruled by "bloodthirsty Muslim extremists." Egypt's government is known for being one of the less-extreme Muslim governments, and your comment could also be interpreted as an insult toward all Muslims.
Speaking of interpretations, that is one thing about the Bible, that it can be interpreted in a number of ways. You insult floppa21's intelligence a number of times while stating your beliefs about the Bible, and take the stance that only what you believe is right. You even use the phrase "it would be clear to any unbiased reader that God is..." when it is clear that you are a biased reader, who has certain religious beliefs and interpretations of the Bible. There was a link posted earlier in the "Wath Are Your Religion" ("What is your religion" written by a Swede ) thread to a sight promoting religious tolerence by giving information about the different religions. I have looked at this casually over the last few days, and it lists literally dozens of different religions within Christianity, each with its own interpretations on the Bible. You are free to state your beliefs, but if I recall correctly most Christian religions promote peace and kindness, neither of which you displayed in your preceding posts on this thread. Please realize that not everybody will agree with you on every one of your opinions, either on the Bible or on other topics, and that they are not likely to suddenly have an epiphany and switch to your religion because you insulted them. Feel free to comment on whatever you like, but try to refrain from insults and insulting language just because somebody may not agree with you.

Here is a link to that site: http://www.religioustolerance.org/var_rel.htm

 

[floppa21]

Fearless Leader, Thanks for replying!!! MOC disappeared on me... BTW, are you Scorch's brother?

First off, yah, I know some of my crap was stretchin it. I'm not a complete idiot. Now onto the fun!

Lot's NAMELESS wife. This was under the Morals and Family Values heading. Now you could say we never needed to know Lot's wife's name. It wasn't relevant to the storyline etc...

Abandoning the family... I misunderstood? I read from King James by the way...

"Let the dead bury their own"??? I misunderstood again? I just took the BIG GUY's words the way he said them...

Our new situation of being DEAD would make marriage obsolete? No foolin?

The Sahara and the Nile? Oh hell, a cat in an oven will be cooked eventually. Am I a prophet now?

Furthermore, he went on to say to them: "Truly I say to you, there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the kingdom of god already come in power."
Accordingly, six days later Jesus took Peter and James and John along, and brought them up into a lofty mountain to themselves alone. And he was transfigured before them.
So, rather than a false prophecy, it was one that took a whole six days to come to pass.
Uh yah, or you could just say they all died and the world ended for them?

Jacob & Egypt... Which of the 5 billion versions/variations of the Christian Bible you reading?

A passage in Deuteronomy says to "stone disobedient children." Am I takin that out of context also? Don't spare the rod the Bible tells us. I say "Beat the HELL out of your children."

Splooge on yourself and what to do about it in THE BIBLE???? Oh hell man, you would defend it if Jesus said he farted monkeys.

Yah I know, Song of Songs/Song of Solomon is a "story about the ideal between lovers" in a "familial setting"... Whatever.

Yep, big pee-pes in the Bible. Hung like mules and horses they were. That was back when men were men and sheep were nervous, in Assyria anyways... As all can probably guess, I'm about to ask...your point?
My point is "WHAT THE EFF IS IT IN THE BIBLE FOR?" God just thought He'd tell us about penis sizes for fun?

Hey Fearless Leader, I can throw more crap atcha if you like. If you want, I'll send you a PM but I really don't want your backing up of them. I don't really care. I mean, I can defend the Bible as well as you probably. Damn, I think I did above in a couple spots...

 

[Leowind]

FL2, as usual, your rhetoric is extremely inflammatory and very unhelpful, but I must admit you actually did a nice job of answering Floppa's stated objections to the Bible. Unfortunately, he didn't seem to get what you were saying in most cases. Perhaps if you approached him as a fellow human engaging in meaningful discussion rather than like a steamroller he might be more willing to consider what you say?

Also, I must strongly agree with Apollo that Egypt is governed by one of the most moderate of Muslim governments, and has been a significant ally to the US in the Middle East, something a bloodthirsty extremest Muslim government would never do. right on every other point, but you overstretched by a mile on that one.

To everyone else on this thread, please don't assume that all who take the Bible seriously are like FL2. Some of us are actually reasonable people willing to debate and admit we don't have all the answers. And yes, there are many, many ways of interpreting the Bible.

 

[floppa21]

Leowind's last sentence is it!!! Yes, I stretched things, I'll be the first to say so. I don't mind Fearless Leader showin his "upsettedness" through words, it happens and some of my posts caused that. But like I said, I could defend thwe Bible just as easily.
Stormerne recently posted on this subject. Essentially, he said it's impossible to prove God exsists or doesn't. (not exactly, this is from memory so I ain't quotin him...) But that's how all this goes too I think. Can't prove christians wrong, can't prove atheists wrong.
And I am thinkin maybe FL2's bible is not the same VERSION I was reading, because some of it sounds a bit different than what I read... Ah well.

 

[Magnus]

Most Christians I have met are usually pretty cool people, they believe what they believe and respect the beliefs of those who disagree.

But then there are the hard-core Thumpers, and they go off thinking that everyone who doesn't believe THE WORD (THEIR word, more like it) is inferior and is doomed to a wasted existence. They give the religion a bad name, unfortunately.

 

[floppa21]

I thought the second part was your average Christian Magnus...? Well, seems like it in my experience. But hopefully, 90% of the Christians I have met, I didn't know were Christians because it never came up. Most likely.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

I thought Fearless Leader did a good job of putting in context the selected quotations...that he gave out some stick was his reward for a job well done IMHO.

My views on the 10 commandments went nuclear on this particular thread:

http://pub6.ezboard.com/faxisandall...essageRange?topicID=554.topic&start=1&stop=20

Enjoy!

 

[floppa21]

Boy Kitten, them's fightin words!!! I didn't read the whole thread actually, just scrolled to your posts...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

I know, I know, 'a soft answer turneth away wrath'. Good advice, but in floppa's case, he was trolling for a flame, and he got exactly what he wanted, in spades.

Sue me.

 

[floppa21]

I was trolling for flames? Yah... But didn't you get a little worked up there? Well, God will forgive you. He already forgave me.

Had a religious conversation last night, trying to exchange viewpoints. This girl did not answer a single question. She just rambled on about her life for 20 minutes at a time that I forgot the question I had asked... Strengthened my belief about that whole thing. No Christian can answer a damn question I have with logic and reason. She just avoided and snowed me over or tried to. I ask a question, they ramble on for 20 minutes not answering. If you become a Christian, are you automatically imbued with being able to talk without breathing? Accept Christ as your Savior and become an instant Preacher? I dunno... Until I meet someone who has something to say besides a bunch of bull, I will remain, Anti-Religious, Anti-CHRISTIAN, Anti-Christ.

 

[VoodooAce]

The Bible is an interesting piece of fiction, though a bit dishointed.

I guess my parents didn't put enough FEAR into me about believing in God.

 

[Leowind]

Originally posted by floppa21
Had a religious conversation last night, trying to exchange viewpoints. This girl did not answer a single question. She just rambled on about her life for 20 minutes at a time that I forgot the question I had asked... Strengthened my belief about that whole thing. No Christian can answer a damn question I have with logic and reason. She just avoided and snowed me over or tried to. I ask a question, they ramble on for 20 minutes not answering. If you become a Christian, are you automatically imbued with being able to talk without breathing? Accept Christ as your Savior and become an instant Preacher? I dunno... Until I meet someone who has something to say besides a bunch of bull, I will remain, Anti-Religious, Anti-CHRISTIAN, Anti-Christ.

I would have thought my own posts here and elsewhere would be enough to convince you not all Christians are that way. If not, give me a try. You have a question, ask it, either here or PM. I consider myself a Christian, but with what I hope is a very open mind. To be honest, I even question much of my own faith at times. If you're truly seeking to dialogue together about things spiritual, I'm game.

 

[floppa21]

Leo, just typed up a PM to ya, it was "too long"... I had 1595 characters, can only have 1000... ? So I will try again later. Might send you more than one unless I can tighten it all up...

And I know not all Christians are the stereotype, just seems like it. Everyone I talk to in person anyways...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Anti-religious, anti-Christian, anti-Christ.

I can see the first one, given what religion has done to the world, or more accurately, what men have done in it's name. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the sheltering of war criminals(and that's just Catholicism!), then there's terrorism, ethnic persecution, race wars, ethnic cleansing(and that's just Judaism and Islam!). Not to mention the stifling of human thought and the supporting of extremist governments(well, that's pretty much all of them, I guess).

The second devolves from the first as Christianity is a religion, but you should narrow your focus at least. To the best of my knowledge, a few of the Christian faiths never did anything bad to anyone(the Quakers and the Witnesses, and a few others come to mind).

The third is a complete mystery to me. You want to distance yourself from a guy who taught moderation in all things, and love thy neighbor above all else?

floppa, I would suggest that you give the matter some thought. Also, and this is advice I ought to take as well, you may wish to try to word what you say with an eye toward how the reader will react.

 

[Gigo]

I think you guys need to open your eyes a bit... when you quote these verses you are as picky as those "Christians" that are picky.

You need to understand the whole story before you start picking holes in the bible.

So here is your mission: Prove the bible is wrong. I want you to read the bible from cover to cover. Remember when reading it, the bible was writen about 2000years ago and more. So try and think like the people would have thought back then.

If you still believe the bible is wrong, and just made up.... then take a good look at yourself. Look at your fingers when you type... isn't it great how they work? Look around you, look passed all the things that make our world dirty, and see the real beauty of it.

Surely a God has created us!

 

[joespaniel]

Iv'e read some, not all, of the Bible. I am by no means a religious person or a expert on any religion.

However, I think there is some good advice in the Bible, and lessones to heed. I try to live my life in a way that gives me peace of mind, and doesn't hurt others.

If some 'fanatical' people would live, or rather lead by example, instead of worrying what other people think or do, perhaps religion and it's messages would have a wider audience than it does today.

I think some are so happy with what they have found in religion that they feel they have to 'share it with the world'. Thats understandable. It however turns many away who don't want to be told how they should live their lives.

I'm not accusing anyone here of this. Just a general observation.