The Christian Mod

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800% conversation rate...

 

[Kyburg]

Nadin Bytefelt, to tell somebody about to have offended feelings is a part of freedom of opinion as it is written in the Art. 19 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

You will agree, there is indeed a Human Right to preach to those the Human Rights which use the Human Rights as a Human Right, when they discuss the Human Rights should be used wisely and not vulgar.

 

[Slagroom]

Wouldn't it make more sense to make a BALANCED religion mod if you don't like other people's work?

I mean, nobody in his right mind is going to play a mod that disjoints and corrupts the religion system in the game like this does. 800% conversion rate? Are they using brainwashing techniques or something? This would only make a game horribly boring.

And, uh, didn't Jesus protest when people called him ''king of the jews''? I don't think he would appriciate this.

 

[Prayer4theDying]

This thread was enough of a joke for me to actually post on here.

I do think this is a pretty sad way to alter Christianity in Civ4. As a Christian, I find it pretty sad to put Jesus and George W. as the leaders of America. George W. is the leader of a secular nation, while Jesus had nothing to do with America. If Bush is a Christian (and I beleive he is), then he can claim to be led by personal beliefs. Fine. But this is ridiculous.

All this does is make people think that NeoCon=Christian, which is already a problem. But I could go on for a while... and I'm not sure it's worth saying. Needless to say, I'm not impressed.

 

[Heav]

After seeing too many left wing and atheistic modifications to this game, and observing how Christianity becomes so very weak in Civilization IV itself, which is ahistorical, I decided rather than complain about it, to instead create an unabashedly pro-Christian mod which adds on the following:

NEW LEADERS:

AMERICA

JESUS CHRIST
Spiritual, Philosophical


GEORGE W. BUSH
Spiritual, Aggressive

RELIGIOUS MODIFICATIONS:

Christianity

800% Conversation rate
8 Culture
6 Gold

I don't intend everyone to like this mod and that is fine. I did not make it for everyone just for people who wanted to see a more powerful Christianity with Christian leaders. If you don't like it, you need not download it.

This mod will not be changed or altered in any shape or form. It is what it is. God Bless.

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You want more christianity in game?? I ask you: Why?
Look on our small planet is arround 6 miliard people. Arronud 1 miliard(maybe fewer) are christians. In game are 7 religions, which have % almost the same numbers in people who trust to their religions in real world.

 

[WildWeazel]

This thread was enough of a joke for me to actually post on here.

I do think this is a pretty sad way to alter Christianity in Civ4. As a Christian, I find it pretty sad to put Jesus and George W. as the leaders of America. George W. is the leader of a secular nation, while Jesus had nothing to do with America. If Bush is a Christian (and I beleive he is), then he can claim to be led by personal beliefs. Fine. But this is ridiculous.

All this does is make people think that NeoCon=Christian, which is already a problem. But I could go on for a while... and I'm not sure it's worth saying. Needless to say, I'm not impressed.

What he said. I almost reported this thread as trolling when I first saw it, but I decided to see what others had to say about it. Mudslinging isn't going to help anything.

 

[1stMinnesota]

If you don't like the mod you don't have to DL it, right? If the guy wants to
have a Christian mod it's okay by me. If someone else wants to have a Muhammadan or Budhist so is that (or atheist or square basher or whatever).
Reckon I would have picked Abraham Lincoln as prexy to avoid the flak but, again, that is his choice.

 

[Goblin Fanatic]

I'm sure the mod is meant as a joke, and i like it, even though it's a blunt joke. Offended Christians, consider how obvious it is that Jesus is not the leader of America. Consider how George is hardly the head of Christian religion. Consider that the author could be mocking that stereotype of 'neo-con=Christian'. It kind of lifts my spirits, thinking that as much i hate modern self-styled Christians trying to make the values of their religion into official laws, the guy who started the creed was nothing like that.
The thin line between intolerance and right to get offended is that tolerant don't take action when their god is criticized, they just keep on worshipping and believing.

 

[The Q-Meister]

If you don't like the mod you don't have to DL it, right? If the guy wants to
have a Christian mod it's okay by me. If someone else wants to have a Muhammadan or Budhist so is that (or atheist or square basher or whatever).
Reckon I would have picked Abraham Lincoln as prexy to avoid the flak but, again, that is his choice.

Amen to that!

Look, I find this mod silly and unnecessary and I have absolutely no sympathies with this person's politics (if you must know, I am an athiest, I have spoken out for an athiest/non-religious civic options in Civ IV, and politically I am a proud left-wing progressive) and in fact I am about as far away as you get from him I imagine. However, with that being established, I fully respect the right of this person to create his mod and to be available here to be downloaded by those who wish to AND criticized by those who wish to do that.

I dislike it very much when the happy go lucky "close the thread" folks start talking about reporting this or other threads like it simply because it has a strong opinion, even perhaps outside the "mainstream" (whatever that means) I see absolutely no reason why this thread should be reported: He wants to create a strong Christian influence in the game..so what? He likes Jesus and George as his leaders? So what? He thinks Civ IV is too left wing and "atheist"..again, so what? Those are his opinions and I fail to see how this merits some sort of disciplinary action. He's not being racist, he's not cursing, he's not personally attacking other members, these are just his opinons.

Like I said, please criticize him all you want as I will probably do but shutting this thread down in my mind will do more damage to the notions of freedom of expression on this site than this silly mod could ever do.

 

[The Q-Meister]

On a side note, it's interesting to see the level of interest on this mod. For example, Wyz_sub's excellent "Out of Africa" mod that has been out since January contains 4 new additional civilizations and has only 396 views while this "mod" has over 650 views in less than 24 hours.

 

[1stMinnesota]

Hello Q-Meister,
Where is Wyz_sub hiding this mod? I can't seem to find it here. Thanks.

 

[Skeeve]

I've been thinking of a Religion MOD since CIV4 came out.

Obviously, the designers intentionally made all religions equal so no one would be offended. I can't blame them.

If someone wants to do a realistic religion mod, they might take a look at the current worldwide population breakdown:

Hinduism: ~780 Million (~13%)
Confucianism: ~5 Million (~0.1%)
Buddhism: ~325 Million (~5.4%)
Islam: ~1.1 BILLION (~18%)
Judaism: ~18 Million (~0.3 %)
Christianity: ~2.0 BILLION (~33%)
Taoism: (Too small to be on the radar screen of a "world" religion)

These stats are from Adherents.com (If I copied them correctly)

The MOD maker should probably give huge spread factors in the XML files for Christianity and Islam, lesser for Hinduism and Buddhism, and Very Small for Confucianism, Judaism, and Buddhism.

On the other hand - perhaps there is a way to work it out that Some religions spread extremely rapidly at first, but then "die out". I have no clue how to do this.

800% for Christianity alone though is too unfair. (I'm a Christian, and I have to admit this). Unless, of course, Islam gets around 500%-600%, and the smaller ones drop down to 50% or 75%.

Personally, I think an 8th religion should be added:
Atheism. This is also a religion: It is the Belief in the NON-existence of God(s). (Or the belief in NO God - still a belief). Atheism's adherents are approaching 220 Million. This qualifies it for Worldwide status.

Perhaps the "No-State" religion could be worked to give special happiness bonuses to cities with Atheism.

Something to think about.

 

[Haarbal]

2 things
1st: why on earth should jesus be american? for the same thing, make him aztec (it wouldn't make it more historical incorrect)
2nd: why add george w. bush as a leader in a cristian mod. he might be a christian (no, i don't know, but looking at this..), but to put him in here... then you could better make mozes or somebody else from the bible in there.

 

[AndyTerry]

Hm, I respect Christianity, though I'm Buddhist myself, but I don't understand why should Christianity be so mighty?..
Why Christ is american?! Create him as a Japanese, for example!
Why Bush is here?! What has he common with Christianity? Why didn't you make Putin, Blair, Chirac?

 

[WildWeazel]

I'm not "offended" by this mod, and I realize it's meant as a joke, but it seems that BodyofChrist's intention was to troll, as a means of getting back at the people who made the "left-wing atheistic mods"

Christianity: ~2.0 BILLION (~33%)

That, of course, means someone who is monotheistic and not Jewish or Muslim. I would estimate that about 5% of the world at most are actually Christians.

 

[Riffraff]

This mod will not be changed or altered in any shape or form. It is what it is. God Bless.

ah that really is too unfortunate, had some ideas on the fine-tuning:

slightly increasing the conversionrate to 825% would make it possible for the religion to spread straight across the pacific - think of the poor australians...

 

[Shqype]

I'm Catholic and I am very offended by this mod. First off, linking Bush with Christianity I disagree with because he is a HORRIBLE and INVALID representation. The man has changed his religion multiple times, he doesn't even know what he believes; except that he is on a "mission from God" to do everything he's been doing in his reign. Despicable.

Jesus Christ also has no affiliation with America whatsoever, except for the fact that the United States was created by Christians and was built upon Judeo-Christian values. But to put Him as the leader of America? That is blasphemous, to say the least.

"God is dead."

"Nietzche is dead." -God

 

[SonOfMars]

I agree with The Q-Meister this thread should not be shut down. The creator of this mod and the posting has created so much discussion it can only be a good thing. People are getting facts and publishing stuff that most of us rarely consider, all of us are learning what a diverse planet we live on and how stupid "God on our side is." And yes I too am an athiest.

 

[wolfman1234]

I must give thanks to BodyOfChrist for the fun reading all this. But i think he is an infiltrate, an anti-christian agent.

Please, rest of the world, dont think all we christians are like him, unless he was joking.

Wow, Christ as leader of America, lol. That country was created by groups of european heretics flying of religion matters. (This is a JOKE uh? dont cut my head for it.)

Seriously, think of what are doing the muslims with all that damned press pictures thing. Somebody could feel offended by putting Christ and GW.Bush (the elected by God, but nobody knows which one, neither him) in the same status.

 

[BodyOfChrist]

Wow! I did not expect all this attention for my mod. I am both surprised and delighted.

There is much to respond to and I cannot be here forever but let me add in a few points

1. The reason I chose Jesus Christ as the leader of the Americans is controversial, but where else should I put him? Even if there were an Israel or Palestine in the game, where there isn't, it would not fit as Israel is mostly Jewish and Palestine mostly Muslim.

I see America as the last great Christian nation, where there is still a large, devoted group of followers and I felt the honor should go to America.

2. Christianity is strong at the end because it is so weak throughout Civ IV. It needs a boost to grow to its historical proportions and I gave it one.

3. George W. Bush is a Christian leader; has been endorsed by basically every major Christian speaker and organization and it is hard to think of another politicial leader who has as many devoted evangelical Christian supporters and who is as outspoken about his Christian faith as the President is.

4. This mod is not silly and it is not a joke.

5. I shortened my signature considerably as it was requested.