The Genius of Charles Darwin
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Mise
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Yeah, it reminded me why I never participate in evo/cre threads.
The debate about what should be taught in schools REALLY riles me. In general, I don't care if you believe in God or not, but to teach our kids that creationism (or intelligent design, or whatever other marketing gimmick you come up with) is in any way comparable with the Theory of Evolution is just plain wrong.
The debate about what should be taught in schools REALLY riles me. In general, I don't care if you believe in God or not, but to teach our kids that creationism (or intelligent design, or whatever other marketing gimmick you come up with) is in any way comparable with the Theory of Evolution is just plain wrong.
RedRalph
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I agree. Thats what church/mosque/synagogue etc is for, not school. and I hate the way teachers, etc feel the need to tiptoe around religion. Some things are up for debate, some things arent because they have already been proven.
I just want it on the record now that I agree with this opinion. Everyone got that? I've had a lot of mix-ups in the past about that.
Depending on what poll you use, two-thirds to three-quarters of Americans don't believe in evolution. Last time I looked, democracy was about the will of the majority. If the majority want their kids taught creationism, why should the will of the majority be ignored?
My mother doesn't believe in evolution. My sister is a school teacher. She doesn't believe in evolution. Her kids don't believe in evolution. My younger nephew once told me "there's one kid in my class that believes in evolution. He's stooopid." I'm pretty sure he said it to see what I'd say, but it's not my job to teach my sister's kids, and I have better things to do than waste my time arguing with eight-year old know-it-all brats.
My mother doesn't believe in evolution. My sister is a school teacher. She doesn't believe in evolution. Her kids don't believe in evolution. My younger nephew once told me "there's one kid in my class that believes in evolution. He's stooopid." I'm pretty sure he said it to see what I'd say, but it's not my job to teach my sister's kids, and I have better things to do than waste my time arguing with eight-year old know-it-all brats.
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Because it has been proven scientifically to be wrong.
Mise
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I don't really care what they teach American kids. If kids in America continue to be taught religion in place of science, and science is taught to be distrusted, American universities will slowly become cesspools of ignorance, their pharmacuticals industry will lose its lead internationally, and America will fall behind in all aspects of science, technology and medicine. This will trickle through to the corporate world, and sooner or later, Americans will start to feel a lot poorer.
But at least they'll go to heaven.
I only hope that such attitudes don't continue to spread across the Atlantic.
But at least they'll go to heaven.
I only hope that such attitudes don't continue to spread across the Atlantic.
Verbose
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Not as long as the money is still in the US.
You'll just get a lot of non-national Americans staffing the unis and studying at them. And then they will go on to work for corporate America, acquire US citizenship an become Americans in their turns. It will still be corporate America, but everyone will have been born elsewhere - like New York in the 1920's, when it was said English stopped being spoken at 5 p.m., the end of the business day.
Works fine in an immigration society. Lots of German brains built the US educational system already in the late 19th c. anyway.
But if the majority votes for teaching it, then the will of the majority rules. That's democracy in action. Right and wrong are as irrelevant to democracy as they are in a courtroom.
No, they just admit foreign students. Something like a third of all science and engineering students in American universities are foreign nationals.
Last time I looked a third of Britons don't believe in evolution.
Or, if you prefer, a quarter actively believe in biblical creation or intelligent design, and ten percent don't know.
Simple Simon
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I'm perfectly fine with the US shooting themselves in the foot by teaching kids religious doctrine. Makes them sorry competitors in science and economy. However, US political actions usually make the entire world suffer when they are stupid, therefore I prefer US politicians to be well-informed and knowledgeable. Thus, creationism in all its variants is bad for me, and I want it out of schools. Out of churches, too, btw, if I can have that, because the right to believe what you want does not equate to a right to indoctrinate others with utter nonsense and slander those who know more.
classical_hero
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It has been proven so well that many number of scientists are rejecting it.
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how many number compared to how many are accepting it?
Simple Simon
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Hah. Colleges and universities in the USA are some of the most liberal and Atheistic places in the nation. They will only be cesspools of ignorance when the teachers start heavily investing in [Edit]pseudoscience, which is insanely unlikely.
That will only happen because of mistrust by the public due to a majority of the research costs being levied on the American public as opposed to being equally distributed to all nations.
It could also be attributed to the drug companies' inability to produce more drugs, thus sealing their fate of collapsing.
That's why we have a Constitutional Republic, to prevent tyranny by majority.
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Very few American Universitys teach creationism and they're schools meant for right-wing ideologues.
Mise
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(and to Verbose as well) Fair enough. But no-one regards Einstein as an American scientist, or Chelsea as an English football team.
So twice as many Britons as Americans accept evolution? Sounds promising. I'd like to know whether than number is increasing or decreasing, over a 50 year period.Last time I looked a third of Britons don't believe in evolution.
Or, if you prefer, a quarter actively believe in biblical creation or intelligent design, and ten percent don't know.
Frankly, I find it frightening that even that many brits are that stupid. But then as long as there is one creationist, I will find it appalling. I'm just not willing to accept the truth of my own sig.
Evie
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"Democracy" should have its limit. School curriculum is one of them - it should be determined by people who know what they are doing (ie, scientists for science class), not by people who have an opinion and no clue.
Ultimately, if a majority of Americans believed the Earth was flat, should THAT be taught to American kids?
Ultimately, if a majority of Americans believed the Earth was flat, should THAT be taught to American kids?
