The Great People Mod

Hey Gang,

I'm really just interested in Snoop's color coding w/o any additional popup fun. Does this mod show foreign GPs with the same color coding? I just like the idea of knowing instantly what kind of GP just came into being. I'm currently using another GP mod that pulls the clever, "St. John (Prophet)" but it looks a bit weird when you click on the GP and get, "St. John (Prophet) (Great Prophet)".
 
i was browsing through the dds files for this mod and saw that quite a few GP portraits are raw pictures without the color border and description
 
Hey Guys,
I am still working on fixing a few problems with the mod and changing the graphics. At the moment, my new graphics don't contain a color coding scheme, but if you guys are really attached to that, I can probably implement that somehow. 36 more GP to go...out of 179.
Some things that I can't figure out:
I cannot find quotes by: Mimar Sinan, Raphael, Raja Todar Mal, Nikolaus August Otto, Merit Ptah, Johannes Vermeer, or Norbert Rillieux. I can also use a quote about the person by a contemporary. If you guys know of any or can find some I'd appreciate it. Also, I believe Firaxis might have made a mistake and included someone named Narek as a Great Prophet, but I believe they meant Guru Nanek who started the Sikh religion. Narek is not even an alternate spelling however, but to change the actual name in the game I would have to change the XML file that contains GP's names, thus including a whole big file just to change one letter. Suggestions?
Anyway, you will all be able to make your suggestions alot better once I release this...but here is a screenshot to give you the idea.
P.S. I don't have a really good screen shot capture program or something, but it doesn't look this fuzzy in the game.
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Patricius
 
I'm also interested if this mod has progressed at all recently. Patricius?

Been using it in its current mostly-working state, and love it. Its little mods like this that really add flavour to conquest games such as Civ4 and give you nice visual rewards for your conquestin' troubles.

New screens by Patricius look awesome. Please keep up the good work!
 
Patricius said:
I cannot find quotes by: Mimar Sinan, Raphael, Raja Todar Mal, Nikolaus August Otto, Merit Ptah, Johannes Vermeer, or Norbert Rillieux. I can also use a quote about the person by a contemporary. If you guys know of any or can find some I'd appreciate it. Also, I believe Firaxis might have made a mistake and included someone named Narek as a Great Prophet, but I believe they meant Guru Nanek who started the Sikh religion. Narek is not even an alternate spelling however, but to change the actual name in the game I would have to change the XML file that contains GP's names, thus including a whole big file just to change one letter.

Hey, love this mod idea. My first time posting, though I've been playing and modding Civs for a while now.

Anyhow, to the topic at hand. I"m including what quotes I could find on those, and also I humbly offer my assistance with graphics. I'm a web developer/print designer by trade, so I have all the fun software. Adobe Creative Suite CS2, Macromedia et al, etc. Bryce too. If you need any editing of graphics done I'm happy to help if I can.

These are pretty much quotes about them, or in some cases, merely relating to them.

Raphael -
"Raphael paints wisdom" - Ralph Waldo Emerson
(full text - "Raphael paints wisdom, Handel sings it, Phidias carves it, Shakespeare writes it, Wren builds it, Columbus sails it, Luther preaches it, Washington arms it, Watt mechanizes it."

"No record of her high descent
There needs, nor memory of her name;
Enough that Raphael’s colors blent
To give her features deathless fame." - William Allen Butler, Incognita of Raphael

Raja Todar Mal -
Couldn't find any 'real' quotes, but here's an interesting tidbit about Mal:
"Raja Todar mal, one of the "jewels" in Akbar's court, constructed a new temple on the site of the destroyed Vishwanath temple in 1585."

Interesting correlation with game religions no?

Merit Ptah - "Her image is painted in an Egyptian tomb in the Valley of the Kings. She is believed to be the world's first named physician and the first woman known by name in the history of science. She was described by her son, a high priest, as 'the chief physician'."

Considering that her entire legacy was passed on via a tomb wall, this one will be harder. I suggest making something up out of whole cloth (like from the point of view of her son or a pharaoh), or finding a way to transcribe some symbols or glyphs from that excavation. Or just put an old egyptian proverb in there:
"Pride and dignity would belong to women if only men would leave them alone. " or "The wise man is great through his own merits". [Ptah-Hotep]
or "The best and shortest road towards knowledge of truth is Nature" or "Exuberance is a good stimulus towards action, but the inner light grows in silence and concentration" or "Your body is the temple of knowledge"

Johannes Vermeer
Little is known about Vermeer, his paintings not having received wide accolades until after his death. However, there is a book called "Girl with a Pearl Earring", which is historic fiction about Vermeer. The book was eventually made into a movie, and the Vermeer character did have the following memorable exchange:
"Catharina: Why don't you paint me?
Vermeer: Because you don't understand"

Takes some pondering.

Nikolaus August Otto- couldn't find squat, but here's a photo of him if you need: clicky

Norbert Rillieux - No joy on quotes by or about, but here's a good page on him: clicky

Mimar Sinan - Seems like we should be able to find something. Widely renowned. I'll keep looking.
 
Raphael - "Time is a vindictive bandit to steal the beauty of our former selves. We are left with sagging, rippled flesh and burning gums with empty sockets." (The Emmerson Quote is good, but several hundred years removed from Raphael)
Mimar Sinan you may need to look on arabic sites for a decent quote by him, but I doubt you'll find one. He was a builder of Mosques, so I doubt anything of his writtings would be usable here, or outside of an architect school.
 
Hey Guys,

I am very close to finishing and I will post it in the next few days. I have to go back and redo a few that I messed up on and that is the thing hanging up the process at the moment.I have never done a mod before, so I was wondering if anyone could spell out to me how to post a file bigger than the 500 KB limit. I am alos planning on opening a new thread so that it will be easier to see, since Snoopy is not here to put it at the top of the thread.

Raphael - "Time is a vindictive bandit to steal the beauty of our former selves. We are left with sagging, rippled flesh and burning gums with empty sockets." (The Emmerson Quote is good, but several hundred years removed from Raphael)
Mimar Sinan you may need to look on arabic sites for a decent quote by him, but I doubt you'll find one. He was a builder of Mosques, so I doubt anything of his writtings would be usable here, or outside of an architect school.

Thats a great quote for Raphael, thanks I will use it. About Mimar Sinan, If you find some quote that even summurizes his philosophy on architercture that would be good. Not all the quotes i have used have been inspiring or wisdom filled.


Hey, love this mod idea. My first time posting, though I've been playing and modding Civs for a while now.

Anyhow, to the topic at hand. I"m including what quotes I could find on those, and also I humbly offer my assistance with graphics. I'm a web developer/print designer by trade, so I have all the fun software. Adobe Creative Suite CS2, Macromedia et al, etc. Bryce too. If you need any editing of graphics done I'm happy to help if I can.

Thats great, I am a complete amateur at this, so you could probably polish this up to professional standards pretty easily. I will release when I have finished and I am hoping that we can get a lot of suggestions that could make this Great People mod truly Great.

Raja Todar Mal -
Couldn't find any 'real' quotes, but here's an interesting tidbit about Mal:
"Raja Todar mal, one of the "jewels" in Akbar's court, constructed a new temple on the site of the destroyed Vishwanath temple in 1585."

Interesting correlation with game religions no?

Merit Ptah - "Her image is painted in an Egyptian tomb in the Valley of the Kings. She is believed to be the world's first named physician and the first woman known by name in the history of science. She was described by her son, a high priest, as 'the chief physician'."

Considering that her entire legacy was passed on via a tomb wall, this one will be harder. I suggest making something up out of whole cloth (like from the point of view of her son or a pharaoh), or finding a way to transcribe some symbols or glyphs from that excavation. Or just put an old egyptian proverb in there:
"Pride and dignity would belong to women if only men would leave them alone. " or "The wise man is great through his own merits". [Ptah-Hotep]
or "The best and shortest road towards knowledge of truth is Nature" or "Exuberance is a good stimulus towards action, but the inner light grows in silence and concentration" or "Your body is the temple of knowledge"

Johannes Vermeer
Little is known about Vermeer, his paintings not having received wide accolades until after his death. However, there is a book called "Girl with a Pearl Earring", which is historic fiction about Vermeer. The book was eventually made into a movie, and the Vermeer character did have the following memorable exchange:
"Catharina: Why don't you paint me?
Vermeer: Because you don't understand"

Takes some pondering.

Nikolaus August Otto- couldn't find squat, but here's a photo of him if you need: clicky

Norbert Rillieux - No joy on quotes by or about, but here's a good page on him: clicky

Mimar Sinan - Seems like we should be able to find something. Widely renowned. I'll keep looking.


Thanks for all the input. Although, the Ptah-Hotep quote is not about Merit Ptah, I think its still cool becuase of the reference to merit. I will use that;) Also the Vemeer quote from The girl with the Pearl Earing is the best I think we are going to get so I will use that.


THanks for all your help.

I was just thinking the other day of a way we could improve on this idea...however, don't worry Im not going to try to implement it until after the first realease. I was just thinking that maybe when a Great Artist creates a Great Work for the Culture bomb, we could show that work of art. For Example, when Beethoven culture bombs, his Ninth Symphony starts to play for a few seconds, or when Raphael shows up and does the bomb, we see The Triumph of Galatea
Anyway, what do you guys think? I couldn't think of how we could expand the other Great People but it would add alot to the understanding of the person if we actually saw the work of art he is famous for when he creates that work in the game.

Sincerely,
Patricius

Edit: People we still have no quote for...Raja Todar Mal, Norbert Rillieux, Nikolaus August Otto and now Nabu-rimanni. Some of these people go back pretty far in history and are not part of the Western Tradition so I am not familiar with them. Also, does anyone know who Mohammed Shah is? He is called a Great Prophet in the GP list and is listed in history sometime between Thomas Aquinas and Joan of Arc.
 
Mimar Sinan - "I will build the Three Domes for the Faithful to Worship Under." - Is not a real quote, and probably something a X-ian wouldn't say, but is what he did. I couldn't find anything about him. He was a Christian who was drafted by the Ottomans and served them in many campains. As an architect he built many buildings. Most of his mosque used the same principle as the Hagia Sofia. His mosques, which are three-domed structures that allows alot of space, are probably some of the most widely know Masjid in the world.
 
"I was just thinking the other day of a way we could improve on this idea...however, don't worry Im not going to try to implement it until after the first realease. I was just thinking that maybe when a Great Artist creates a Great Work for the Culture bomb, we could show that work of art. For Example, when Beethoven culture bombs, his Ninth Symphony starts to play for a few seconds, or when Raphael shows up and does the bomb, we see The Triumph of Galatea"

Superb Idea!
 
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