The Kremlin is not The Kremlin

[KingAl]

The building they used for the Kremlin is not the Kremlin It's a church located near the Kremlin on the Red Square (St.Basil Cathedral i think). The Kremlin is the fortification built from red bricks and the area inside...

Just did a quick image search in google and when you search "kremlin" you find lots of pictures of St. Basil's Cathedral. This may actually be an unintended mistake...

EDIT: The Kremlin is composed of a lot of buildings, though, isn't it? (My general knowledge is pretty poor). Perhaps St. Basil's is within the Kremlin?

 

[Rus guy]

KingAl, it is near and outside the Kremlin.
It would be very nice, if instead of St. Basil's Cathedral there was a one tower of the Kremlin..

The Kremlin.

 

[Rus guy]

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Facts:
1) The Kremlin as well as St.Vasilli are at the Красная Площадь (="Red" Square. The "red" is a translation error, krasny originally meant 'beautiful')
2) Technically, St.Vasilli is on it, and the Kremlin's wall adjacent to it.
3) Ok, it would have been better to show some parts of the fortress, and St.Vasilli in the background for the Americans .
4) What are you complaining about? At least, the Kremlin does exist! In Civ 1-3, we were cursed with "Bach's Cathedral" and "Copernicus' Observatory".
Bach worked in Leipzig, which doesn't have a cathedral at all, and Copernicus in a church tower in Frownow/Frauenburg...

 

[OG_Pieps]

Hey Doc Tsiolkovsi! That is exactly what I wanted to say. I guess you learned that in the Russia lessons at school too?

 

[cancerkitty]

What's the deal with all this America bashing? Just because we live in the United States means that we don't know anything of the world? I think that's an absolutely ridiculous and arrogant attitude, and I, for one, am getting very tired of it.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Maybe we could have had Bach's Organ?

 

[Reveilled]

But if no one would recognise the real Kremlin, and everyone would recognise St, Basil's Cathedral as being Russian, why the hell didn't they just name the wonder St. Basil's Cathedral?

 

[lysander]

While I love this game, I think it's unfortunate that they made design decisions like this. If they had called it St. Basil's Cathedral, the average gamer could have just clicked on the civolopedia if he had been confused and learned something new.

I feel the same way about the UUs; why is the Greek unit now called the Phalanx and the Roman one called the Praetorian? A Phalanx was a generic form of warfare that was used by cultures all over the med., while a hoplite, the old civ3 name, was unique to Greek states. And the Praetorian gaurd didn't march around fighting other nations, they simply gaurded (and murdered) emperors.

It's not like the game would be less fun for the average gamer had they used historically acurate names.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

They should have had the Kremlin with the whole cool fortress things, with the walls, Forts, Cathedrals, and everything. If a Civ4 player got confused, just put everything in the Civpedia, and he would learn something!

Rise Of Nations also had the Kremlin, and Forbidden City represented by one building.

 

[lugersci]

krasnaya does mean red!!! not beutiful, krosevoye means beutiful

 

[Rus guy]

krasnaya does mean red!!! not beutiful, krosevoye means beutiful

"krasnaya" means - red. ALSO an old meaning of this word was "beautiful" because russians have called everything beautiful - red... Kremlin has been built nearly 855 years ago... So we can only guess the real meaning of the word "krasnaya" - whether it is "red" or "beautiful"...

 

[cancerkitty]

"Red Square" used to be "Beautiful Square" the change of beautiful from krasnaya to kraceevaya was motivated purely by propaganda.

 

[OG_Pieps]

While I love this game, I think it's unfortunate that they made design decisions like this. If they had called it St. Basil's Cathedral, the average gamer could have just clicked on the civolopedia if he had been confused and learned something new.

I feel the same way about the UUs; why is the Greek unit now called the Phalanx and the Roman one called the Praetorian? A Phalanx was a generic form of warfare that was used by cultures all over the med., while a hoplite, the old civ3 name, was unique to Greek states. And the Praetorian gaurd didn't march around fighting other nations, they simply gaurded (and murdered) emperors.

It's not like the game would be less fun for the average gamer had they used historically acurate names.

Oh true! But I think that changing the names will be no problem for the modders here

 

[Rus guy]

"Red Square" used to be "Beautiful Square" the change of beautiful from krasnaya to kraceevaya was motivated purely by propaganda.

Why do you think so? And what kind of propaganda???
Have I missed something...?

It was undeclared why it is "krasnaya".

 

[Luv_Muffin]

The Kremlin is too the Kremlin.
Thats why they call it that.

 

[chinesefireball]

I've known some kids in highschool who have never heard of the Soviet Union or Josef Stalin. Most are more concerned with their next football or basketball game.....

Maybe because the Soviet Union was gone when they were 3 years old - or before they were born. One of the only reasons I have heard of the Soviet Union is that we had old atlases when I was in primary school that still showed the USSR.
So it is not too suprising - I have just finished high school, so all those younger then me would have less chance knowing

 

[BulMaster]

Hey maybe the reason why they use St. Basil's Cathedral instead of the Kremlin to display the Kremlin is because they don't know the difference between the two? I mean lots of people admited in this thread that they never knew those were two different buildings and well Civ 4 was made by similar people. Sad mistake but maybe they didn't know. Art and History are two different fields. One involves knowing stuff the other painting stuff.

Though the biggest question here is, if the cold war got hotter, we know the USSR would have the white house but would the US have targeted the real kremlin? I am telling it was probably a soviet conspiracy to foul the world on where the government really was .

 

[chris8b]

Maybe because the Soviet Union was gone when they were 3 years old - or before they were born. One of the only reasons I have heard of the Soviet Union is that we had old atlases when I was in primary school that still showed the USSR.
So it is not too suprising - I have just finished high school, so all those younger then me would have less chance knowing

It isn't surprising (given the state of American education) but it is absolutely pathetic that one could graduate high school not having the most basic knowledge of 20th century history.

Your implication is that people shouldn't know anything that happened before they were three. That's a sad generation coming up.

 

[cancerkitty]

Why do you think so? And what kind of propaganda???
Have I missed something...?

It was undeclared why it is "krasnaya".

It's propaganda because the color red was associated with the Bolshevik revolution, therefore the association would be that the revolution was a beautiful thing. At least that's how it was explained to me in Russian History.