The Left and Islam

[nonconformist]

Well, AFAIK, he's under 18. Most school kids who say they "support terrorism", or some other extremist view, are saying it to get a rise out of people, and for attention. It's the same kind of mentality that sends 17 year olds to the military, because they view war as glamorous and heroic. Makes them feel big in other words.

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A certain number of us [leftwingers] consider war to be terrorism effectuated on a large scale, with men inn tuxedos orderingt he carnage, trying desperately to appear to have some sense of morality and legality over mss murder.
There really isn't that much difference, except for cause, which inall too many cases, the right cause is branded as "terrorism", because those fighting for it in an unconventional method, which gbives them the greatest chance for success.

The reason partisan and guerrilla organisations are branded as "terrorists" lies in the fact that their methods make it a lot harder for the other country, who having brute force, fights conventionally, to win.
To reduce it to a simple idea, the cionventional force, e.g the US in Iraq, is saying "No fair! Why don't they fight us in a nice fair face-off which we'll win?".

Ironically, the countries which today are complaining about terrorism are the very ones that found it so beneficial to support old friends like Augusto Pinochet, Pol Pot, South American contras, the Shah of Iran, and countless revolutions to overthrow democratic governments

LOL! Have you ever heard of collateral damage?

In a war, ANY war, civillians are killed. But the US miliatary doesn't target civillians, if one jumps in front of a terrorist what can you do?

Just to take you up on that point, most Iraqi civilian deaths are collateral damage one way or another .

A vast majority of the attacks launched by Iraqi Insurgents are against Coalition troops (around 80% of attacks, in fact), and that doesn't account for the number of attacks against Iraqi troops or policemen, both legitimate targets.

One can conclude from this that most of the casualties are collateral, and, that as such, the Insurgency doesn't target civilians. If one jumps out in front of a US soldier, what can you do?

 

[RedWolf]

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Just to take you up on that point, most Iraqi civilian deaths are collateral damage one way or another .

A vast majority of the attacks launched by Iraqi Insurgents are against Coalition troops (around 80% of attacks, in fact), and that doesn't account for the number of attacks against Iraqi troops or policemen, both legitimate targets.

One can conclude from this that most of the casualties are collateral, and, that as such, the Insurgency doesn't target civilians. If one jumps out in front of a US soldier, what can you do?

Great post noncomformist... I'd just like to make the additional point though that most of us that share your presented viewpoint consider BOTH sides actions to be morally reprehensible. Neither sides "collateral damage" is acceptable.

I think you agree with that - I just wanted to explicitly state it.

 

[nonconformist]

Great post noncomformist... I'd just like to make the additional point though that most of us that share your presented viewpoint consider BOTH sides actions to be morally reprehensible. Neither sides "collateral damage" is acceptable.

I think you agree with that - I just wanted to explicitly state it.

As always, RW, you got my back and I got yours

 

[Swiss_Mercenari]

This thread possesses a large number of anti-Islamic posts and posts based on right wing propagada and stereotypes. The majority of muslims are peaceful, and jihadist propaganda is not successfully 98% of the time.

 

[blackheart]

No, my morals are consistent - if someone is being hurt, the government has every right to enforce morals using legal means. You only allow the government to do so when you can use that to attack the US.

This is off-topic, but how does that apply to gay marriage? I only advocate so when the government doesn't overstep its bounds into my private like, kind of the way oldschool conservatives would agree to. And I see you fail to come up with anything more about how waterboarding isn't torture after being shown the textbook definition of torture.

 

[Elrohir]

This is off-topic, but how does that apply to gay marriage? I only advocate so when the government doesn't overstep its bounds into my private like, kind of the way oldschool conservatives would agree to. And I see you fail to come up with anything more about how waterboarding isn't torture after being shown the textbook definition of torture.

I would say that gay marriage is harmful to society, so the government has a obligation to regulate it. (In the States, it should be the state government, not the federal government, though. Which is why I'm somewhat ambivalent about a Constitutional amendment on the subject.) With something I think is immoral, but has, in my opinion, a much less harmful impact - such as legalized pornography - the government should allow it, with certain restrictions.

What was the "textbook definition of torture"? Was it the one I tore apart with my little scenario about tickling?

This thread possesses a large number of anti-Islamic posts and posts based on right wing propagada and stereotypes. The majority of muslims are peaceful, and jihadist propaganda is not successfully 98% of the time.

Who said that most Muslims aren't peaceful?

 

[Azash]

tor·ture /ˈtɔrtʃər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[tawr-cher] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing.
–noun 1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
–verb (used with object) 6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).

 

[Swiss_Mercenari]

I applaud you on your attempt at informing people Azash. I hope Elrohir understands the actual definition of torture NOW.