The Looming Student Debt Crisis

[Bamspeedy]

I just said 80 hours, you were the one to add 'a week'. 80 of the hours she works every year is to pay off the athletic department part of her debt which she never used.

Students would not be ok with dropping their tuition by 1 or 2%? I would think any reduction would be a good thing. True, many would not want it if it meant the sports were eliminated completely, but if the sports can bring money in from other sources, who would want to pay more than they should? As one student said to paraphrase "Why should other students pay to make MY game day experience more enjoyable?"

I never said the athletics fee is 'breaking the bank' or athletics should be eliminated. You've claimed I said those things. I've merely pointed out it is one thing that could be done to reduce student costs. I think you need to re-read the posts after you've calmed down a bit.

 

[Commodore]

I just said 80 hours, you were the one to add 'a week'. 80 of the hours she works every year is to pay off the athletic department part of her debt which she never used.

Students would not be ok with dropping their tuition by 1 or 2%? I would think any reduction would be a good thing. True, many would not want it if it meant the sports were eliminated completely, but if the sports can bring money in from other sources, who would want to pay more than they should? As one student said to paraphrase "Why should other students pay to make MY game day experience more enjoyable?"

I never said the athletics fee is 'breaking the bank' or athletics should be eliminated. You've claimed I said those things. I've merely pointed out it is one thing that could be done to reduce student costs. I think you need to re-read the posts after you've calmed down a bit.

The main point that I'm trying to make is that everyone is so eager to go after the athletics program when doing that won't solve the core issue. Making all this fuss about the athletics fee is an attempt to distract students from whatever it is that's really driving their tuition through the roof, because it sure as hell isn't the athletics program.

And I'm not saying the students wouldn't be okay with tuition dropping by 1 or 2 percent, I'm saying it's not going to help them in any meaningful way. It'd be like trying to save the Titanic by sending one guy down there with a bucket to scoop out all the water that's rushing in. Sure, that guy with the bucket is helping, but he's not solving the real problem.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I just said 80 hours, you were the one to add 'a week'. 80 of the hours she works every year is to pay off the athletic department part of her debt which she never used.

Students would not be ok with dropping their tuition by 1 or 2%? I would think any reduction would be a good thing. True, many would not want it if it meant the sports were eliminated completely, but if the sports can bring money in from other sources, who would want to pay more than they should? As one student said to paraphrase "Why should other students pay to make MY game day experience more enjoyable?"

I never said the athletics fee is 'breaking the bank' or athletics should be eliminated. You've claimed I said those things. I've merely pointed out it is one thing that could be done to reduce student costs. I think you need to re-read the posts after you've calmed down a bit.

I am not at all familiar with the US university scene. I do believe that sport and sponsorship for sport are as signifiant for UK universities.
I am unclear that there is an elastic poll of potential sponsorship or that there are sponsors who only sponsor for sport, in the USA.
Is it possible that the largesse going to sponsor sport would, in the absence of sport, be provided to US univerities for other purposes?
I.e. to what extent is sponsoship for sport in the USA additional, in parallel or subsitute for supporting other good causes at university?

 

[Zelig]

Sports sponsorship isn't free money, it's just the sponsors overcharging their customers so that the useless marketing middlemen who are the only winners in the deal can get a cut.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Some examples of what colleges are spending their money on (UNC made a tiny profit in 2015 on their athletics, Duke makes alot of money from basketball, so sports is not an issue with these schools).

Duke:

UNC

Just skimmed this other article, seems to suggest most of the increase in tuition costs is due to increase health insurance cost and reduced state funding.

http://www.demos.org/publication/pu...myth-and-reality-crisis-college-affordability

 

[Bamspeedy]

I am not at all familiar with the US university scene. I do believe that sport and sponsorship for sport are as signifiant for UK universities.
I am unclear that there is an elastic poll of potential sponsorship or that there are sponsors who only sponsor for sport, in the USA.
Is it possible that the largesse going to sponsor sport would, in the absence of sport, be provided to US univerities for other purposes?
I.e. to what extent is sponsoship for sport in the USA additional, in parallel or subsitute for supporting other good causes at university?

The companies sponsor sports team for the advertising. If Oregon ever changes their logo, Nike gets to design it. If there was not an incentive for it, they wouldn't be doing it. I imagine the 'donations' to other causes would remain about the same as they are now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland...facts-about-the-oregon-ducks-unique-nike.html

 

[Commodore]

The companies sponsor sports team for the advertising. If Oregon ever changes their logo, Nike gets to design it. If there was not an incentive for it, they wouldn't be doing it. I imagine the 'donations' to other causes would remain about the same as they are now.

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland...facts-about-the-oregon-ducks-unique-nike.html

Yeah, there's a downside to everything. I read that article as well and the comments section was pretty interesting. There were people who were saying the Nike logo is literally everywhere on the campus, even on the trash cans. Nike's presence on campus is so prevalent that people have given the school the nickname of Nike University.

EDIT: Or maybe it was a different comment section in which I saw those comments because now I don't see the comment section on this article.

Small correction about the logo thing: Nike just gets the first shot at redesigning it, but they don't have exclusive rights to do it. So the school could reject Nike's new logo and go with another one, but I doubt they'd do that or Nike might not be so willing to continue the deal.

 

[caketastydelish]

They are working 80 hours a week to pay for the other extremely wasteful programs, amenities, and luxuries universities have. The idea that it is the athletics fee that is "breaking the bank" for most students is patently false.

It is impossible to work 80 hours a week and go to college at the same time. Not unless: 1) online classes (showing up to class would be very hard) 2) extremely easy classes with basically no real work whatsoever. Even then, you would start to lose your mind.

 

[REDY]

I wonder how is possible that americans study in such setup. They all should just being freelance programmers or some other simple jobs. I mean I am kind of person who would rather do not eat than have a debt.

I was paying nothing for studies, I was paid by university to continue studies, I think this is a way to go.