The Matrix Revolutions - Spoiler thread

The interesting thing about the mythos of "The Matrix" is that it has managed to combine the Eastern and Western mythological traditions by creating, in Neo, a "hero's hero" of sorts: a character who possesses the redemptive power of both Buddha and Christ, the egoless and the individuated, identification and relationship. The Wachowskis are certainly the first within the cinematic community to succeed at anything like this, and are perhaps breaking ground in wider arenas as well. They have created a proto-myth which is attempting to unify what became divided at the beginning of the Zoroastrian tradition. While within the Matrix, Neo functions in his role as the Buddha: at one with everything, able to manipulate 'reality' at will. Outside the Matrix, in the 'real' world, Neo will function as a Christ figure: apart from divinity but able, through his relationship with it, to direct its power.

What, then, does all this point to in terms of what we can expect from "Revolutions"? Nothing is certain, of course, but there seem to be some likely possibilities.

First up is the question of how Neo managed to stop the sentinels at the end of "Reloaded." The mythological structure just formulated provides some answers which manage to explain this mystery without resorting to something as banal and unimaginative as - to take a popular online theory - a Matrix within a Matrix. Since it happened in the real world, Neo was necessarily functioning in his Occidental role as the Christ. It was therefore not accomplished through any organic power inherent to Neo himself, but rather he was able to somehow communicate with the "God of the machines" (presumably the Architect) and through that communication control the behavior of machines in the real world. That is, Neo (by some physical channel that has yet to be made clear - perhaps via a device implanted in his body along with his plugs and input jacks and not activated until he chose "the door on the left") essentially "prayed" to the Architect, asking him to stop what was about to destroy him. The Architect, being a benign divinity, had mercy and complied. This will require confirmation in "Revolutions," of course, but it seems, for now, to be a reasonably satisfying explanation.

If "Revolutions" has Neo continuing in the pattern of Christ, he likely must die in the real world before assuming the proper role of savior (just as, to assume his role as Buddha, he died in the virtual world of the Matrix). The mechanism of that death has already been hinted at, with Bane being an obvious candidate to play the role of Judas: perhaps he will "betray" Neo by convincing the council (or even Morpheus himself) that The One's choice has doomed the Matrix and that it can only be saved by sacrificing Neo. Morpheus would actually be an interesting choice as it would provide a compelling parallel to the New Testament: Christ was, after all, crucified at the behest of the Pharisees, the leaders of the old religious tradition. But whatever the mechanism, that death will result in Neo being sent, like Christ, to hell: presumably to be symbolized by a Matrix completely taken over by Smith. Neo will enter this hell to confront and ultimately defeat Smith, thereby banishing the anomaly from the Matrix and saving (in both the literal and mythological sense) every person still plugged in.

Fulfilling his destiny, Neo will return (resurrect) to the real world where he will assume his true role of savior: he will be a means of communication with the machines through which humanity will be able save itself from the wrath of the sentinels. He will enable the establishment of a true relationship between humans and machines, just as Christ enabled the establishment of a relationship of expiation and forgiveness with God the Father (John 14:6, "I am the way ... No one reaches the Father except through me"). This relationship liberates believing Christians from the burden of Judaic Law just as Neo will liberate humanity from the bonds of the Matrix and spare Zion from the wrath of the sentinels.

In the garden of Eden grew two trees of particular significance: the Tree of Knowledge and the Tree of Life. When Adam tasted of the Tree of Knowledge, God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever" ... So He drove man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life (Genesis 3:22-24)

As Campbell explains in his volume on Oriental mythology, thence comes the separation between East and West:

Of the tree that grows in the garden where God walks in the cool of the day, the wise men westward of Iran have partaken of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, whereas those on the other side of that cultural divide have relished only the fruit of eternal life. And if man should taste of both fruits he would become, we have been told, as God himself - which is the boon that the meeting of East and West today is offering to us all.

This boon is exactly what the Wachowskis are aiming for: a union of Eastern and Western religious traditions. Assuming "Revolutions" is able to finish what "Reloaded" has begun, the "Matrix" trilogy is virtually assured of becoming the definitive sci-fi mythology of this generation. And, if it does things really right, perhaps even the first universal myth of the post-globalization era. What Zoroaster divided, let the Wachowskis reunite.
 
Thank you Jeratin :thanx:

That is what I wanted to read!
 
Great post, Jeratain, but I don`t think that revolutions lived up to the expectatives. I`ll later elaborate on this, taking in consideration the many points made in this thread in favour of the third movie... but still, I think it was rather disappointing, despite I am the first one to agree that it had the potential to become everything you described.

Regards :).
 
it kicked @$$.
i dont care what everyone say, it wasnt as bad as so many declare it is, it has a good ending, a great mech suit battle :D, and you are not left outside total expectations since you get your smith - neo battle.

and ofcourse.... there is no 20 min sex scene that had nothing to do in the plot, unlike the second movie.
 
Here's an updated and better one that explains all 3 films without too much of the religious philosophy of the previous one.

"Neo is a machine, kinda. He is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind (probably based on a "The One" template program). That's why, at the end of Revolutions, when his body is being taken away, he is shown as an orange glow. The orange glow is how the machines see each other, and therefore how they see Neo. It is also how Neo sees Smith inside Bane... he is seeing the machine program of Smith inside Bane's mind, and therefore it is an orange glow in the shape of the Smith.

But the orange glow isn't the only reason to believe Neo is a machine. Throughout the trilogy other hints are given, such as: "His neural kinetics are way above normal.", "He's a machine.", " Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication...", etc.

So if Neo is a machine, why was he created (as all machines must have a purpose)? He was created by the Oracle and the Architect to be The One. As the Architect explains to him: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix... Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of The One... The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program."

Translated, the Architect is explaining that Neo was designed to be a religious figure to the freed humans, thus causing them to put their faith (hope) in Neo and to rally around him ("...sum of a remainder...". This helps to ensure that the freed humans are focused on Neo instead of war, and to keep them all together in one place, Zion (which was built by the machines for this purpose also). Neo is a form of control in the real world.

And just to make sure that Neo carries out his part of their plan, the machines programmed him with "... a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the [humans]." This, along with his enhanced abilities and the "guidance" of the Oracle, keeps him on the intended course.

The Architect also states that "The function of The One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program." This simply means that The One program in Neo's mind is the most important (prime) program in the Matrix, and that now that his mission (purpose) is complete, he must return to the source for deletion (all machines must have a purpose). The phrase "... temporary dissemination..." means that the The One program will be used again in the next version of the Matrix. This is also why Neo's choice of the left door will destroy the Matrix, as there can be only one The One in the Matrix at any time. By staying in the Matrix Neo is preventing it from being reloaded, as a reload will do nothing without another The One for the next version. (In programming terms he is the highest priority task, and he will not release the Matrix program's main semaphore.)

OK, so The One is a human with enhanced genetics, enhanced implants, and a machine programmed mind, and was created by the Oracle and the Architect to carry out a specific purpose (form of control in and out of the Matrix) in each iteration of the Matrix. Now let's see how The One fits in with the entire story of the trilogy.

As is explained, the Matrix was created by the Architect, at the end of the war with the humans, as a way to control the humans and use them as a power source (I know, hard to believe...). The first Matrix was "... quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime.", while the second Matrix was redesigned "... to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature." Basically Heaven and then Hell. In both cases, however, no conscious choice was given to the humans as to whether or not they wanted to believe in the reality of the Matrix. This caused the majority of humans to reject the Matrix and die (" ... whole crops were lost.".

To solve this problem the Oracle was created, and realized correctly that the humans needed to be given a choice: " Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche... she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level." So by giving humans a choice, even at an unconscious level that only 0.1% are ever aware of, they accepted the Matrix.

Unfortunately for the machines, however, a majority of the 0.1% who were aware of the choice usually chose the real world over the Matrix. "While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster." The machines therefore also needed a way to control the 0.1% of the humans who chose the real world over the Matrix, thus Zion and The One were created.

As was explained earlier, Zion was built by the machines to ensure that the freed humans would all gather in one place, and The One was created to be their religious figure, helping to distract them from renewed war with the machines. Both forms of control.

But even with Zion and The One, the unpredictability of choice ("systemic anomoly" still forced the machines to occasionally "reload" the Matrix. This always occurs when The One reaches the Source, which he can only do after attaining the level of power necessary for him to defeat the Merovingian, obtain the Keymaker, etc. The One program is then temporarily reinserted into the Source (machine mainframe), in preparation for the next iteration of the Matrix. In the process the machines gain the knowledge and experiences of The One, allowing them to better predict the future behavior of the humans, and thus reduce the systemic anomolies.

So that is the situation at the start of the sixth iteration of the choice-Matrix. Luckily for the humans, however, the Oracle does not want them to be enslaved in the Matrix any longer, or for the freed humans to be killed. She therefore decides to take a risk and use Neo to bring about a " revolution".

In M1 (The Matrix) she meets with The One, Neo, as she has done in the five previous iterations of the Matrix. Normally she simply helps guide The One to his meeting with the Architect. Except this time the Oracle gives Neo a special cookie, which he eats. The cookie isn't actually a cookie, though, it's an upgrade to Neo's program. Since the Oracle created the The One program, she can predict exactly what Neo will do in the future, specifically how he will destroy Smith (from the inside, with some copying from Neo to Smith occuring). She therefore includes in the program upgrade code that will give Smith the ability to replicate himself, and for Neo and Smith to see the future as she does.

In M2 (The Matrix Reloaded) Neo plays out his role as The One, meeting with the Architect. However, due to his love for Trinity he chooses the left door, preventing the Matrix from reloading. This was seen in advance by the Oracle, as she has the ability to predict Neo's behavior (as explained above) as well as human behavior in general (due to the nature of her program). She therefore told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo (in M1), all the while knowing it would eventually cause Neo to choose the left door.

In M3 (The Matrix Revolutions) the Oracle's plan comes to fruition. While the machines begin their assualt on Zion (for the sixth time), Smith continues to replicate himself throughout the Matrix. Neo, on the otherhand, is stuck in the train station. Apparently, fulfilling his mission to meet with the Architect unlocks some section of his program that allows Neo to use his enhanced implants to once again become part of the machine collective (perhaps because of the Oracle's upgrade?). He is therefore able to sense and control other machines wirelessly. The first example of this is when he stops the sentinels at the end of M2. Since he is not quite ready to use his new abilities, however, his program gets stuck at the security checkpoint of the Matrix, the train station.

In the train station Neo meets with Rama Kandra, his wife, and their daughter Sati. Rama and his wife are both machines from the real world who can jack into the Matrix, like all other machines, and live human lives. Sati is a program created by these two machines out of love, which Rama explains to Neo is not out of the grasp of the machines. They are on their way back into the Matrix to leave Sati with the Oracle for safe keeping, as any program without a purpose is deleted.

After being rescued from the train station by Trinity, Morpheus, and Seraph, Neo is helped out of the Matrix using the standard jack. While aboard the Hammer he has another vision of the future, this time of the three power lines leading from the Matrix power station to 01, the machine city (he is able to see the power lines due to his newfound connection to the machine collective). He therefore takes the Logos, along with Trinity, and leaves for 01. Along the way he confronts the stowaway Bane (who has the Smith program inside of him), and is blinded by him. Although blind, Neo is still able to see other machines (orange glow), including the Smith program inside Bane, which he uses to defeat Bane. He also uses his power to control other machines to detonate the bombs fired at the Logos by the 01 defenses.

Meanwhile Smith is replicating out of control in the Matrix, and eventually confronts the Oracle after taking over Seraph and Sati. They have a brief conversation in which he calls her "Mom", referring to the fact that she helped to create him (along with the Architect) as well as Neo (part of his program now). The Oracle then tells Smith to "Do what you came here to do.", so he takes over her as well. The newly formed Smith then stands up and laughs hysterically, foreshadowing the events at the end of the movie.

Eventually the Logos crashes in 01, but not before Neo gets a top-down view of the orange glowing city with his newfound machine-vision (notice the fractal patterns). Unfortunately Trinity is killed in the crash, and explains to Neo that both of them have been living on borrowed time. Neo since he was ressurected by Trinity, and Trinity since she was ressurected by Neo. Both are meant to die and Trinity is simply happy for the oportunity this time to tell Neo how she feels about him. (But shame on the brothers for killing off Trinity in such a lame way. Couldn't she have at least died trying to save the ship, not just letting it crash!)

Neo then leaves the Logos and enters the machine building into which it crashed (the building is seen in the same orange glowing machine-vision). He is then confronted by the Deus Ex Machina, who knows that Neo is the only one who can stop Smith from destroying the Matrix, but still shows hatred toward Neo (due to the fact that he is mostly human). After a show of force, the Deus Ex Machina agrees to peace with the humans in exchange for Neo's promise to destroy Smith. This causes the sentinels to halt their attack on the Zion temple, the last holdout of the remaining humans (the dock and city have already been destroyed).

The machines then jack Neo into the Matrix, since he has not yet masterred the ability to do so wirelessly (this theme of Neo having to learn to use his new abilities runs throughout the trilogy). Neo then confronts Smith, who says he has seen the future, and that he (the one particular Smith) is the one that defeats Neo. The other Smiths (all of the other people in the Matrix have now been taken over by him) therefore only watch as the fight begins.
 
After a brutal battle Neo is near defeat, but continues to fight. When asked why he does so, Neo responds " Because I choose to.", echoing the theme in M2 that "Everything begins with choice." (the only way humans achieve true freedom). But even though he delivers a stunning punch to Smith which sends him through the ground, Neo is eventually defeated. Before Smith takes him over he pauses, however, realizing that he has seen this very moment in his visions, and he already knows what he is going to say. " Everything that has a beginning has an end..." he mutters confusedly. This causes Neo to realize that the Oracle still exists somewhere inside of Smith, and that she is partially able to control his thoughts. Taking his cue from the Oracle, Neo freely gives himself to Smith.

Thus Neo is defeated, and Smith's original purpose, to defeat The One (which he is never really expected to achieve, which leads to his bad temperment) is accomplished. Smith therefore no longer has a purpose and must be deleted. But since programs marked for deletion must return to the source, how is Smith to be deleted? Simple, the machines send the command through Neo, into Smith, using a burst of energy. This causes all of the Smith clones, and the original Smith, to be deleted, leaving the original inhabitants of the bodies he has taken over (this is a basic function of the agent programs, that they leave their hosts as they found them, with death being the only exception).

This then completes another revolution in the Matrix cycle, as The One has reached the Source and has reinserted the prime program (Neo's program, his knowledge and experiences). The Matrix is then reloaded back to it's initial state, the late 20th century.

The Oracle then meets with Sati, Seraph, and the Architect in a park outside the city as the sun rises over it. The Architect tells her that she was playing a "very risky game", and she asks him if he will honor the promise of peace. He says that he will, since he is not human (meaning humans do not keep their promises, an insult). This means that those people who unconsciously become aware of the Matrix and choose to leave will be freed, and those living in Zion will not be killed. The war between man and machine is over, or at least suspended.

Looking upon the sunrise the Oracle asks Sati if that was her doing, and the girl responds that she did it for Neo (made the sun rise). Apparently Neo's experience with love, which was uploaded from him to the Source, caused the machines to show pity on Sati and give her a purpose instead of deleting her. She is now in control of the sun. Sati also asks the Oracle if they will ever see Neo again, and the Oracle replies that they might, indicating that the The One program will be used again in the future, as it had been for the previous six iterations of the Matrix. M3 therefore ends where M1 began, except that now the humans who become aware of the Matrix will be freed (a decent compromise if you ask me). "
 
Crap movie. They should've donated the money they spent on all the effects of the last two out of the trilogy.
 
the first matrix movie was terrible. in some effort to connect with the computer community, they involved hackers and computers within the matrix in some strange way that was never again included and made absolutely no sense. the human weapons in the real world are so awkward it's no wonder they can't win. they managed to dig up a major actor with no acting ability to play the star of the whole film. trash.

the second and third matrix movies were made at the same time, but not released at the same time (showing that there was no accidental creation of problems that couldn't be solved between them). it was a decent story, definately something philosophical, and it portrayed the humans as having somewhat more useable weapons. plus, Neo now gets to act mysterious and dark and not show emotion, and it doesn't matter that Keanu Reeves can't act. the ending... they cheated. the humans were way too trusting that it was all over. Neo was way too trusting that the machines would keep their promise

as for the obvious stuff:


1) Neo was the only one who could defeat Smith because they were opposites
2) Neo did not turn into the oracle. Smith did. and that was presumably because he didn't overwrite her program completely
3) Neo has no power outside of the machine world. in the real world he can only affect machines. when he's blind he can only see machines. this is pretty clearly an extension of the same power.
4) The Matrix still exists. the people who don't want to be there will leave (just like they always did. the Architect said Zion was a control mechanism. that shows that he intended on them rescuing the people who didn't like it in the Matrix). the people who do want to be there will stay. not a completely happy ending at all, but definitely a reasonable truce.

my overall impression: not nearly as profound as everyone likes to say it is. the 2nd movie is no better than the 3rd, but they're both better than the 1st. The ending is if anything rather depressing when you think about it. Ultimately I didn't feel like I really "got anything" from watching it, but I don't regret spending the time and money to see it.
 
Originally posted by Jeratain

This boon is exactly what the Wachowskis are aiming for: a union of Eastern and Western religious traditions. Assuming "Revolutions" is able to finish what "Reloaded" has begun, the "Matrix" trilogy is virtually assured of becoming the definitive sci-fi mythology of this generation. And, if it does things really right, perhaps even the first universal myth of the post-globalization era. What Zoroaster divided, let the Wachowskis reunite.

I don't know whether to laugh, cry or puke to that thing.

Matrix is basically new Star Wars.
Nothing new on it's time when it comes to the idea of putting different philosophies and myths together, nothing new of using the visual style so common for nowadays. Nothing new of using Kung fu rip offs.

I don't hate the movies but I do really dislike the idea that again people have forgotten the scifi books they should have read and then go see "Matrix" and think it's somehow original and exceptional, when it's not.
I guess teenagers love it so...let them enjoy.

For me it's nothing but hyped marketing phenomenon.
 
It's really sad to see humanity hypnotized by philosophy for a penny.
 
Originally posted by Sickman
For me it's nothing but hyped marketing phenomenon.

Truth,but isn't that always the truth?Any movie could be a hyped marketing phenomenon.But I do agree with most people on this one,matrix-revolution is not a good movie.If it can give some convincing stuff about the whole business,then even without the Zion and final fight scene this would be an excellent film with in-depth content.
 
you people are forgeting something, making movies is about mking money, it not designed to please the 5% ideologues out there, but the majority, who went to see the movie for the special affects, when i went to see it, i did enjoy the philosophy around it and things contrasted w/ the computer world, but after all that, i went to see the huge action battle scenes.

people, the matrix is about huge battle special affects action... not to give you a brand new philosophy or religion.
 
Stalin006:

True, but it was them that set this expectatives with the first, and untill certain point, with the second movie.

I never criticized the beauty of the effects or the thrill of the scenes, I criticized the fact that they abandoned the tale they began to tell.

They indeed can make a movie which`s aim is to make money out of effects... and you'll never see me extending a complain about, say, the mummy, as the one I made about the matrix here. Because the mummy didn't promisse anything, but matrix did.

So, it is for money indeed, and they will get the money, so great for them. But getting criticism is also part of the game, so they better get used to it. Deliver what you promissed, or get ready to hear about it.

Regards :).
 
Very true.The philosophy and content are bad without saying I don't want to add any more.
However,I think I metioned about the action scenes matrix-revolution.And it does have some good scenes like manned robots.(I really think they should have made robots with armor protect the pilot,the robots are just too weak against any sorts of attack directly aimed at the pilot.;) )
 
Originally posted by stalin006
you people are forgeting something, making movies is about mking money, it not designed to please the 5% ideologues out there, but the majority, who went to see the movie for the special affects, when i went to see it, i did enjoy the philosophy around it and things contrasted w/ the computer world, but after all that, i went to see the huge action battle scenes.

people, the matrix is about huge battle special affects action... not to give you a brand new philosophy or religion.

Agreed :goodjob:
 
"The Matrix Reloaded" opening weekend pulled in $91.8 million

compared to the not-so-hot, but recent

"The Matrix Revolutions" which pulled in a mere $50.16 million

Now I saw Reloaded, and I thought it sucked. I believe Reloaded is the reason Revolutions did so bad, not based on the quality of Revolutions but of the film passed. Anyone concur?
 
Well i liked them both and have no idea what people are on about.

The difference in takings could well have been that reloaded was following the huge success of the original, whereas revolutions was following an unpopular sequel. I thought that revolutions was better than reloaded though, but also thought that reloaded was quite good.
 
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