The misandry problem - real or imagined?

[choxorn]

Other 'minorities' were also mentioned, in two posts before, so it is a generally tied issue for some people.

Have you checked your privilege?

Check your privilege

I checked my privilege and some other assorted baggage in with my Malaysia Airlines flight. Now we're both lost in either Ukraine, the Indian Ocean, or teleported to Mimas, the moon of Saturn that looks like the Death Star and Pac-Man.

 

[Kyriakos]

I checked my privilege and some other assorted baggage in with my Malaysia Airlines flight. Now we're both lost in either Ukraine, the Indian Ocean, or teleported to Mimas, the moon of Saturn that looks like the Death Star and Pac-Man.

+1 Harvester

 

[Old Hippy]

Of course men's problems are brought up during a discussions of feminism and women's problems. They're two sides of the same coin, gender stereotypes and expectations and double standards, etc. – and feminism proclaims to care for both of them. Maybe if feminism stopped claiming to be for the equality of both sexes, problems of both sexes would stop being brought up, and they could go back to only caring about one.

which implys men are and 'should go back' to caring about just there own sex, as a bloke no thank you...

 

[Senethro]

Well if we're going to go by actions, MRAs have been totally useless in trying to get any sort of change, be it cultural or legal.

This is my biggest issue with MRAs. They only seem to bring up these issues as a means to shut women down instead of doing anything more than activist than posting to their blogs.

 

[useless]

This is my biggest issue with MRAs. They only seem to bring up these issues as a means to shut women down instead of doing anything more than activist than posting to their blogs.

And that is why i think the view of their movement being essentially a reaction to the gains women have made legally, socially and culturally, has merit to it.

 

[uppi]

But feminism DOES care about the equality of both sexes; it is equally interested in seeing the destruction of "traditional gender" roles.

I have yet to see feminists campaigning for the introduction of mandatory military service for women.

I don't blame feminists for fighting against the more pressing issue of discrimination against man. But it should be acknowledged that they are not as concerned with discrimination against men, which does exist although it certainly is not on the same scale.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I think both misogynists and misandrists work by half measures. Thoroughgoing misanthropy is woefully underrepresented on the internet. And why? Society was founded by, and is to this day run by, people. (It’s a fact; look it up.) The internet was developed by, and designed to serve the interests of, that’s right, people! People! with their petty, parochial hatreds of just this race or just that gender.

So it’s hardly surprising to find a pervasive, entrenched and systematic pro-social bias in society at large and on the internet in particular. It’s in the name, people: social media. If I hate people, all people, the internet gives me no option but to go on a forum*—full of, you guessed it, people--in order to say so. How is that fair? Can you all not see the scale of the oppression here? It's literally the entire world against me! Literally.

Pah! A plague on both your houses!

*The very name bespeaks how deeply embedded in our history is this pro-anthropic prejudice; and indeed it can be tracked back even beyond the Romans, to the very inventors of civilization, the ancient Greeks.

 

[Old Hippy]

I have yet to see feminists campaigning for the introduction of mandatory military service for women.

I don't blame feminists for fighting against the more pressing issue of discrimination against man. But it should be acknowledged that they are not as concerned with discrimination against men, which does exist although it certainly is not on the same scale.

it should be acknoledge that where protest marches actually stopped mandatory military service for men... both men and women marched, from memory in about equall numbers...

the introduction of mandatory military service is not actually something a great deal of men are for and if they are ... they are not representing mens interests at all but some other -ism

but your point is even more of base because women are pressing for more inclusion in the armed forces including combat roles where appropriate and men are opposing it

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Methinks this will get closed real quick.

Let's hope so.

 

[aelf]

And here we have the classic example of why topics like this always derail into a flaming train wreck.

I have yet to see anyone on this forum say that the issues women face are not "as bad" as the issues men face. I think most reasonable people would probably agree that they are, in fact, worse, although how much worse seems to be a wide open debate.

I have yet to see anyone blaming women for the things men do to each other.

What I have seen in every topic like this is a bunch of "my way or the highway" thinking that seems to assume that humanity can only work on one problem at a time. Are there issues of men being treated unfairly in our society? Yes. Are there issues of women being treated unfairly in our society? Yes! Does that mean we can only talk about one of these issues at a time? A lot of people on this forum seem to think so, and as a result, no discussion can be had.

When I see posts that essentially boil down to "men still have it better than women, therefore all discussion of injustices against men = misogyny", I can't help but wonder what these people think of Alzheimer's reasearch. After all, Alzheimer's isn't as bad as cancer, so why the hell are we talking about it when cancer is still such a big problem? Of course nobody questions it because they realize that we can work on both diseases at the same time. Somehow the idea that we can do this with social issues too never seems to occur.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT BOTH!

That sounds nice and all, but doesn't say much about why a lot of discussion gets derailed. True, there are zealots who don't help, but oftentimes things go south because of the manner in which men's problems are brought up in discussions touching on feminism. "But what about men's problems, huh? Why are we not talking about them?" - this in discussions about women's problems, which tends to be followed by insults and derogatory remarks directed against feminists.

 

[brennan]

This is my biggest issue with MRAs. They only seem to bring up these issues as a means to shut women down instead of doing anything more than activist than posting to their blogs.

They don't hold conferences or agitate for change in the political sphere?

Frankly. That's an absurd statement.

 

[Senethro]

They don't hold conferences or agitate for change in the political sphere?

Frankly. That's an absurd statement.

Why is that?

 

[useless]

They don't hold conferences or agitate for change in the political sphere?

Frankly. That's an absurd statement.

Feminists have actually gotten stuff done, what have MRA's done?

 

[brennan]

MRA's are only trolling women. The proof of this is that they haven't achieved much. Is this seriously your argument ppl? Please tell me you have more to offer.

What's your opinion on feminist trolling (for trolling read absolutely foul abuse) of MRA meetings?

 

[useless]

My argument is that MRAs have done comparatively little, beyond engage in provocation.

 

[brennan]

The Women's Suffrage movement didn't achieve anything until they did. What's your point here? I don't think you have one myself.

What 'provocation' do MRAs engage in? From what i've seen they receive far move provocation than they give.

 

[uppi]

but your point is even more of base because women are pressing for more inclusion in the armed forces including combat roles where appropriate and men are opposing it

That proves my point: When there was a fight here about changing the constitution to allow women in combat, it wasn't about making the paragraph in question gender neutral (it still isn't). It was just about removing all restrictions on women.

 

[classical_hero]

But feminism DOES care about the equality of both sexes; it is equally interested in seeing the destruction of "traditional gender" roles.

but what exactly is equal? Why does it matter if we aren't equal? Why can't we celebrate the differences between the sexes not as something that is bad if a woman is worse at men at something but accept that it is not something they should be trying to achieve and the same thing for men that can't do that women can.

Link to video.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Too many of the posts in this thread do meet the standards of posts in an RD thread, as the OP specifically requested not be the case.

 

[Senethro]

Continuing a python theme, what have the MRAs ever done for us?