The most obscene state of the world

The more educated a population is and, especially, the higher its moral standards, the more difficult it is to govern it with means of...
... Those means we know. I won't even extend on that.
By moral education I mean : philosophy. And by philosophy I don't mean Kant, I mean Aristotle. Simple stuff. Virtues. Temperance, justice, courage, intelligence.
A citizen needs an education. A moral education gives a citizen the means to make choices for himself.
This is what education is for. Not training you for a job. If you want a job, an entreprise can train you.
Education gives you means to develop as a human being.

There are structures. There is inertia.
When we come to this world as human beings, the world is already organized.
Some things are natural, some others are constructed.
Without an education, it is difficult to distinguish between the natural and the constructed.
None of the constructed is necessary. Alternatives are myriads.
Choosing between alternatives, as an individual or a community, requires some amount of clarity, insight.

Generations. People live and die. Babies are born.
The way we do things (integral will), we prepare a place, function, situation for the new born.
They do not need a memory or a knowledge of history, they are given a set of skills and a position in the machinery.
The way things ought to be (education, ideal), elders would recognize they know no better than a new born.
They would give the new born an understanding of their human nature, of the complexity of the world, and means to shape said world according to their own understanding.
That's not gonna happen that drastically.
But it does happen constantly. Our understanding of the world / human nature is constantly in motion.
There are tensions. On the one hand, we are subjected to that integral will, conditioned, organized ; on the other hand, we live our lives.

Stepping aside. Is a big thing.
It doesn't mean leaving the community of men. (I'm not an English speaker, so the confusion doesn't surprise me.)
It means doing something else than what you've been prepared to do. And not fueling the machinery so much.
A journalist becomes photographer, then an oriental dancer ; another starts growing bio vegetables ; an informatician a nurse ; a business auditer becomes an elementary school teacher.
All (real) examples of highly educated individuals stepping aside and making it work.
They reconsidered what they were trained for, weighted it against what they wished for and made a choice.
Along the way, they made friends, found lovers, had children.

Stepping aside and making it work.
To me, this has infinitely more value than opposing the "system" head on.
These people did exert their power to shape the world surrounding them. Which is what we do as individuals.
"There is no alternative" is a common political catch phrase.
"We want an alternative" is a common popular demand.
"Just do it" is Nike's motto.

We can recognize the limits of our power as individuals. We're not gonna change the world in its entirety.
But we can also recognize the reality of our power as individuals. We can choose to exert it if so we will.
There is no necessity.

Along the way, you step aside and make it work.
And your neighbour starts thinking to himself : Could I make it work, too ? Should I ? Do I want to ?
This is how it works and how it spreads. It starts with a very simple thing. Just a step aside. Not even a revolution. A mere rotation. A pivot.
You don't even need to forego the technique, technology and all the modern comfort, wealth, etc.

And the billionaire in all that ?
Perhaps he becomes jealous of yourself, your happiness and quality of life, and perhaps he starts growing bio vegetables, too.
Or perhaps a new generation is born which has higher expectations than we do and evil super vilain masterminds are kept under control.
Or perhaps we stop fueling the machinery so much and act like fully grown citizens.
It's a collective thing. People do not amass obscene amounts of money / power without the support, be it conscious or not, of the largest amount of people.


Good post !

On that education:
you start at school.... from the Latin word schola... where you "learned" originally quite other things than knowledge for the job in the system.
Much of that original scope is (still) there when you are very young: learning developing you to socialise, bargain, play, find out who you are and can be. And when you are lucky with your teachers so much more, of the moral kind, is added later on. But the latter is not measured, no KPI, not in the benchmakings between schools, not in Korea leading the pack measured in education KPI's.
You get what you reward.

Here the etymology of schola and over the centuries and changing civilisations that change from ancient Greeks to industrial era (and now Korea)

"place of instruction," Old English scol, from Latin schola "intermission of work, leisure for learning; learned conversation, debate; lecture; meeting place for teachers and students, place of instruction; disciples of a teacher, body of followers, sect," from Greek skhole "spare time, leisure, rest, ease; idleness; that in which leisure is employed; learned discussion;" also "a place for lectures, school;" originally "a holding back, a keeping clear," from skhein "to get" (from PIE root *segh- "to hold") + -ole by analogy with bole "a throw," stole "outfit," etc.

The original notion is "leisure," which passed to "otiose discussion" (in Athens or Rome the favorite or proper use for free time), then "place for such discussion." The Latin word was widely borrowed (Old French escole, French école, Spanish escuela, Italian scuola, Old High German scuola, German Schule, Swedish skola, Gaelic sgiol, Welsh ysgol, Russian shkola). Translated in Old English as larhus, literally "lore house," but this seems to have been a glossary word only.

Meaning "students attending a school" in English is attested from c. 1300; sense of "school building" is first recorded 1590s. Sense of "people united by a general similarity of principles and methods" is from 1610s; hence school of thought (1864). School of hard knocks "rough experience in life" is recorded from 1912 (in George Ade); to tell tales out of school "betray damaging secrets" is from 1540s. School bus is from 1908. School days is from 1590s. School board from 1870.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/school


On Covey: simplified the circle of influence and the circle of concern
We can recognize the limits of our power as individuals. We're not gonna change the world in its entirety.
But we can also recognize the reality of our power as individuals. We can choose to exert it if so we will.
There is no necessity.

A mother with a new-born baby is inclined to make her world very small: a nest for her baby and herself. Natural and overruling everything else except bare essentials.

Covey, a kind of management guru, recognised that people in their job, especially managers from low to high, are inclined to attach too much value and to spend too much time and energy on the world above and around them that they cannot really influence.
It is good to look around for what comes or may come. Every animal does that. ready for fight or run. Or for us: you better be prepared for risks or opportunities (your job or career).
What in reality happens is that being busy in your core activity, where you have much influence (power) fuels and nurtures you: your circle of influence.
And being too much looking around to better anticipate and defend your core, is sucking you dry, it costs energy. Too much expectations delivering disappointments from lack of influence.
=> Spend ample time IN your circle of influence to have the energy and self-strenght to spend "good enough" time on your concerns of the outside world that could affect, threaten your core circle.

Going sideways in your career a way to get out of the default stream where you are lived by the outside.
You can also decide not to make that promotional step higher in your career, or to go more direction expert or assistant than the manager. And many of us will have more power and influence, less stress, in their self chosen circle of influence.

Key is, whether schooling at young age, socialising for social status, or careering in your job... is that you put the human being, being a human, central,
and not (your insignificance in) the system.

I see in that respect not much difference between a manager getting overstressed and not only burning himself but also more inclined to use other people as objects, getting more self-centered...
and a world improver getting overstressed and burning out from disappointments from too much of himself making dependent on things to far away to influence much.
 
Perhaps I misunderstood your critique. I thought you were pointing out that the conclusions of economics researchers weren't being put into practice by state administrators, therefore you concluded that economics must be all wrong.

I don’t think economics merit to be held at the same academic level as climate change.

I would argue that our politicians hold it at the same level.

I’d argue that they find the field of economics far more useful to help them form policy.

If economics is a near pseudoscience we really have more of an economic clergy in case of national economics and a craftsman’s core to uphold the cult at business administration level.

That’s where I’m coming from.

And I know and understand my posts are not always clear, sometimes I keep it so knowingly to spark discussion but most of the time it’s my inability to formulate thoughts in Swedish into text in English at a good level. I can always clarify later if given a chance.
 
Economists are moving forward. Politicians do lag way behind because economics is a tough field to study. There is a big move on economic theory by Presidential candidate Warren this week.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ricans-economist-says/?utm_term=.408c96f985f8

A wealth tax on assets over 50 million and a bigger one on anything over a billion. Estimated to raise 2.7 trillion over ten years. If they were scared of Cortez, this seems much more drastic and considering our debt load I support it.

The first proposal that is actually aimed at tackling the root of inequality, its worst manifestation in the form of wealth inequality.

It's only halfway there - there needs to be concomitant policy to distribute actual wealth as well, but this is quite a lot better than anything else I've seen.
 
You have absolutely no basis for saying this.

Wait and see. I give her credit for not being really, really, dumb. At Harvard Law, they presumably have heard of the 4th Amendment - this alone is enough to kill her plan.
The plan is impractical to the point of impossibility - who is going to decide what is worth $50M and what isn't? And how do you sell off $275B in assets every April 14th with no buyers? Warren thinks you're an idiot.
 
The plan is impractical to the point of impossibility - who is going to decide what is worth $50M and what isn't? And how do you sell off $275B in assets every April 14th with no buyers? Warren thinks you're an idiot.

The IRS does this all the time when they audit tax returns. Courts do it when there is a will or probate challenge too. There is nothing impractical in valuing assets held by a relatively small number of individuals, at all. There is already a government agency that is fully equipped to value assets, and courts that are able to handle disputes.

As for selling off assets - that's just silly. People with that amount of wealth will plan for the impact of the tax. There are currently $90 trillion or so in private assets in the U.S. To think that the selling of an additional $300 billion each year to pay taxes is going to have a major impact is just . . . dumb. I'd wager that more than that is traded in assets on U.S. stock markets in one day.
 
Settling a multi-million dollar estate can take years. Once a generation is a memorable experience, doing it annually is unthinkable.

$300 billion each year to pay taxes is going to have a major impact is just . . . dumb.

Trading is not liquidating. When the Fed talks about this kind of sale, it's called quantitative tightening, and people scream.
 
Wait and see. I give her credit for not being really, really, dumb. At Harvard Law, they presumably have heard of the 4th Amendment - this alone is enough to kill her plan.
The plan is impractical to the point of impossibility - who is going to decide what is worth $50M and what isn't? And how do you sell off $275B in assets every April 14th with no buyers? Warren thinks you're an idiot.

You realize 12 OECD countries already have similar taxes and oh Switzerland is one of them. So its completely possible and is already done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_tax

Furthermore there is no issue with the 4th as nothing is being taken away. A tax is being levied. You are going to have to do better.
 
Settling a multi-million dollar estate can take years. Once a generation is a memorable experience, doing it annually is unthinkable.

Trading is not liquidating. When the Fed talks about this kind of sale, it's called quantitative tightening, and people scream.

So basically your argument is that this will make life more difficult for rich people, and make them upset.

You're pretty much just selling it to me again.
 
The funny thing about many people against wealth tax is, that it absolutely does not apply to them personally.

So what is this ?
Protecting the dream to be once that selfmade Billionaire ?
 
The funny thing about many people against wealth tax is, that it absolutely does not apply to them personally.

So what is this ?
Protecting the dream to be once that selfmade Billionaire ?


What's the matter with Kansas? They all think they are going to be rich. Or have a twisted sense of social justice (this is the take most of my family takes).
 
The first proposal that is actually aimed at tackling the root of inequality, its worst manifestation in the form of wealth inequality.

It's only halfway there - there needs to be concomitant policy to distribute actual wealth as well, but this is quite a lot better than anything else I've seen.

Good for you. I like Warren and always have. She’s such a grade school teacher – kind but firm. Probably exactly what America needs after four years of the apricot baby gibbon. I however still to this day don’t know what persuaded her to support Clinton over Bernie?

Anyway, wanna know something bizarre? Just as the US has that wealth tax proposal for next election - Sweden is abandoning “värnskatten” which granted is not a wealth tax but an important progressive tax on higher income instituted and later reformed in the 90s to stable up state finances. Give it a few more decades and we may have turned the table on inequality with you guys.

But worry not valiant Swedes! Several bankers, the two liberal parties (bargaining for this change in exchange for Social democrats forming government) and leading economists have it on good authority that this tax-cut will in fact grow the state income. Because in their minds that money is, against all prior observations, going to be invested in productivity so much more effective at generating more capital it will pay back in taxes and then some. Or something. Words fail me.
 
What they do in far off civilized lands is not at issue here. Metalhead gets it: If the rich suffer, it must be a good thing.

Sure it does. Are you against this idea? If so why? Than try elaborating on why not. Don't just troll.
 
Good for you. I like Warren and always have. She’s such a grade school teacher – kind but firm. Probably exactly what America needs after four years of the apricot baby gibbon. I however still to this day don’t know what persuaded her to support Clinton over Bernie?

Anyway, wanna know something bizarre? Just as the US has that wealth tax proposal for next election - Sweden is abandoning “värnskatten” which granted is not a wealth tax but an important progressive tax on higher income instituted and later reformed in the 90s to stable up state finances. Give it a few more decades and we may have turned the table on inequality with you guys.

But worry not valiant Swedes! Several bankers, the two liberal parties (bargaining for this change in exchange for Social democrats forming government) and leading economists have it on good authority that this tax-cut will in fact grow the state income. Because in their minds that money is, against all prior observations, going to be invested in productivity so much more effective at generating more capital it will pay back in taxes and then some. Or something. Words fail me.

If that snake oil sold everywhere else why wouldn't good swedes buy it as well. /sarcasm

Honestly I'd imagine if people would wake up and realize what bill of goods we've been sold people across the world could unite and we could end the tax haven race to the bottom crap we've all been suckered into the past 50 years.
 
The tax havens were set up with good intentions, but it was assumed they would manage a few hundred million dollars. It was a way to give them assets after post colonialism.

Sweden has some of the highest taxes in the world IIRC. As I said earlier if you stick tax up to high it causes other problems (hence 40-50% top rate is about as high as you should go).

Inheritance tax is different though I think the UK made it about 50% in the 1920's.

Progressive tax generally targets the rich, generally sales taxs target the poor as you can avoid them by investing. Bonus points if your country has no capital gains tax like New Zealand and GST of 15%.
 
Bonus points if your country has no capital gains tax like New Zealand and GST of 15%.

I disagree with most of your post but his part in particular has been so badly manipulated in the USA that all of our richest people only ever pay a capital gains and usually less then that for other reasons.
 
Sweden has some of the highest taxes in the world IIRC. As I said earlier if you stick tax up to high it causes other problems (hence 40-50% top rate is about as high as you should go).

Could you economically educated be a little more vague please? ;) What other problems? Does it not interest you what funding is cut or why - because 40-50% should be as far as you should go? Says who btw? Laffer? Makes you wonder if it's forbidden or just not advised to produce a personal cognitive effort I the field of economics?
 
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