The New Foreign Legions

[Inhalaattori]

I believe its possible that each ideology has a unique unit. That would be really cool. It is not too hard to think some unique units for order and autocracy.

Unique wonder and/or unique building for each ideology would also be very interesting. I think that is possible. After all there are about 15 tenets in all ideologies. Lots of room for stuff like that.

 

[Evie94]

I believe its possible that each ideology has a unique unit. That would be really cool. It is not too hard to think some unique units for order and autocracy.

Unique wonder and/or unique building for each ideology would also be very interesting. I think that is possible. After all there are about 15 tenets in all ideologies. Lots of room for stuff like that.

Statue of Liberty and Foreign Legion for Freedom
Brandenburg Gate and ??? for Autocracy (all i can think of is the SS and that wont happen for obvious reasons)
The Motherland Calls and Partisans


that would be awesome....

 

[Matthew.]

We don't know that they are only available through the Freedom Tenet. We only know that they are available that way. It is very possible that anyone can build them.

Where would they be in the tech tree though? It seems too crowded as is: GWI with Infantry two techs later. Marines/Paratroopers already not getting a lot of use a little after that.

I could see them putting it in as a way of changing France's UU's and not wanting to completely remove them from the game, but its inclusion on the actual tech tree would seem forced. If you could only get them from Freedom, it would make a little more sense: It is no longer competing for a spot in the tech tree; if you take Freedom and that trait, the bonus is getting a stronger version of GWI (albeit a limited number).

 

[GenjiKhan]

Statue of Liberty and Foreign Legion for Freedom
Brandenburg Gate and ??? for Autocracy (all i can think of is the SS and that wont happen for obvious reasons)
The Motherland Calls and Partisans


that would be awesome....

For Autocracy,the possibilities here are the Volkshalle and for its UU,some kind of generic police unit,who can instantly end the resistance of a city recently annexed .

 

[Evie94]

For Autocracy,the possibilities here are the Volkshalle and for its UU,some kind of generic police unit,who can instantly end the resistance of a city recently annexed .

i like that....maybe the Cathedral of Light though that may be a bit too close to the Nazi's for comfort...

 

[Art Grin]

I believe its possible that each ideology has a unique unit. That would be really cool. It is not too hard to think some unique units for order and autocracy.

Unique wonder and/or unique building for each ideology would also be very interesting. I think that is possible. After all there are about 15 tenets in all ideologies. Lots of room for stuff like that.

Statue of Liberty and Foreign Volunteers for Freedom.
Motherland Calls and Red Guard/Army for Order.
Zeppelin Tribune and Black Shirts for Autocrarcy.

 

[iRule]

It would be pretty interesting to have U.U for each different ideology. It would give a very different flavour to different nations, depending on the gamestyle. I won't get into the mechanics, but, namewise, it could be something like this:

Freedom - Foreign Legion [based on the French Foreign Legion]
Order - International Brigades [based on the International Brigades of the Spanish (socialist) Republic]
Autocracy - National Militia [based on the SS, Italian Black Shirts, Portuguese Legion and Spanish Legion]

 

[Zet]

So, according to the recent German article, the Foreign Legion is no longer a French UU and is now available to any Civ which takes a certain Freedom tenet ("Volunteer Army").

Do we think they will remain the exact same as the French UU i.e. the combat bonus in enemy territory or will the fact that they appear "free" be the extent of their specialty (could conceivably be maintenance-free too, as this was a Policy in the Freedom tree)?

The german article was badly translated. The policy that grants six Foreign Legion units also eliminates maintenance for six units.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Reposting from another thread:
I think the conclusion that the French UU is replaced with a UI is premature:

- a chateau may be simply a new generic land improvement generating tourism,
- the Freedom tenet giving a certain number of foreign legion does not mean it ceases to be French UU (CS already can give you unique units for example)
- there is a possibility that the German article was wrong and the unit given was infantry (maybe also they played as France and got the tenet giving infantry but got the foreign legion since it's French replacement for it)

Your "extrapolations" are really nothing but wild guesses. Follow?

I don't think Wild Guesses is a fair description:

- Having your UU used by others diminishes the value of the UU
- Although CS can give UUs, they can't give a UU of a civ currently in the game
- Only France has been shown building the so-called Chateau so far. There were four in French territory and none in Portuguese territory.
- Given the French UA was completely changed, Firaxis has no qualms about changing France.
- To say that the German article was wrong is really nothing but a wild guess (and I do think that is a fair description since it is not based on anything).

 

[kaspergm]

Plus, the Chateau looks extremely French, and given that it only appears in French territory, and that we have reason to beliefs that FL is now no longer UU for France, it's almost too many things pointing in the same direction for that not to be true. If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, maybe it is in fact a duck?

 

[Biologist]

If the Foreign Legion is going to be a unit available to anyone choosing the appropriate tenet of Freedom, than it makes sense to give France a new UU, UB, or UI. Since a "Chateau" improvement exists, it's not much of a stretch to assume that it is a French UI. I don't know of many German, Russian, or Japanese chateaux. The two pieces of evidence together, a generically available FL and a Chateau improvement, strongly indicate that FL is no longer a French unique and Chateau replaces it.

On top of all that, we know that France's UA is being remodeled. Since France is already being altered, that gives a good opportunity for Firaxis to change other things around without it being too jarring.

What I'd be most interested to know is, does the tenet give a number of FLs for free as a one-time bonus, or does it give those units for free and unlock the ability to make more of them?

 

[SMA333M]

Maybe you don't "build" it... maybe with that ideology you can draft units, like in previous Civ games. And the unit you get is the Foreign Legion...

 

[Draskar]

If i remember correctly, in Civ3 there was a national wonder that spawns Crusaders every x turns...
Maybe something like that?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

If i remember correctly, in Civ3 there was a national wonder that spawns Crusaders every x turns...
Maybe something like that?

Knights Templars and Statue of Zeus had that ability.

 

[Tsar NicholasII]

If the Foreign Legion is going to be a unit available to anyone choosing the appropriate tenet of Freedom, than it makes sense to give France a new UU, UB, or UI. Since a "Chateau" improvement exists, it's not much of a stretch to assume that it is a French UI. I don't know of many German, Russian, or Japanese chateaux. The two pieces of evidence together, a generically available FL and a Chateau improvement, strongly indicate that FL is no longer a French unique and Chateau replaces it.

On top of all that, we know that France's UA is being remodeled. Since France is already being altered, that gives a good opportunity for Firaxis to change other things around without it being too jarring.

What I'd be most interested to know is, does the tenet give a number of FLs for free as a one-time bonus, or does it give those units for free and unlock the ability to make more of them?

True, but I also don't recall too many German, French or Ethiopian Kamikazes either which any country can now get that ability with Autocracy. I hope that France's new UA at least gives their Foreign Legions (should they choose to adopt Freedom) a slight advantage over everyone else's FL's.

The Scramble for Africa scenario has got to have the Foreign Legion as a French exclusive unit

 

[shaglio]

It would be pretty interesting to have U.U for each different ideology. It would give a very different flavour to different nations, depending on the gamestyle. I won't get into the mechanics, but, namewise, it could be something like this:

Freedom - Foreign Legion [based on the French Foreign Legion]
Order - International Brigades [based on the International Brigades of the Spanish (socialist) Republic]
Autocracy - National Militia [based on the SS, Italian Black Shirts, Portuguese Legion and Spanish Legion]

If each Ideology does actually wind up having an ability that gives free units, I hope they’re buried deep into the Ideology “trees.” That way, it would be difficult to take Freedom for 6 free Foreign Legions, then switch to Order for more free units, then switch to Autocracy for even more free units at the cost of several turns of Anarchy.

 

[Gamewizard]

The units could be instantly disbanded upon switching ideologies. This way if you are forced to switch, you don't gain such a large advantage.

 

[El Caballerion]

Do you think that announcements are made regarding each ideology taken? For instance, if I'm playing against a civ that chooses freedom, do I see something that says "CIV has adopted Foreign Legions" ?

That would make it easier to know if an attack is eminent

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

From I what I recall, Tenents aren't "taken" like beliefs, so no, I don't think you'll see that.

Also, they are still "Policies" but a advanced version of them, and since we don't see "Elizabeth adopted Monarchy". I doubt we'll see what Tenents they adopt

Hell, we don't even see what Industrial Trees civs adopt in G&K.

 

[Biologist]

[W]e don't even see what Industrial Trees civs adopt in G&K.

Not as a notification with an icon, no. It is fairly easy to look up which policy trees a civ has chosen on the diplo UI. Also, once you have an industrial tree open, other civs with industrial policies will show diplo modifiers based on their alignment.