The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread!

[Erik Mesoy]

The "I'm religious so I believe in evolution" line should have had a smiley after it- it was a tongue-in-cheek mockery of all the religious nuts *ahem* who believe creationism on the basis of their religion.

So if you attack creation over the fact it can't explain something then evolution is in serious trouble also.

Serious scientists (read: evolutionists) are open to the possibility of error and will adjust hypothesises to match the facts. They often get picked on when discarding their early theories, even though this is just natural selection in action: discard the bad theories, here come the good ones.
These scientists will happily say "Oh yes, we can't explain it, we're busy researching it." They don't get in serious trouble if there's something they can't explain. You're confusing that with things that contradict all current theories and defy any explanation.
Creationists claim divine blahblah for everything, which surely demands there be no holes in their story.

Creationists says God did it while evolutionists gives the credit to Mother Nature and Father Time.

Religion and evolution are compatible. Several of the mutations that happened on the way to modern species were very long odds, now long odds do crop up over time, but there is NO way to prove or disprove that God caused certain species to flourish at the expense of other by modifying them.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html
Evolution happens, get over it.

 

[Perfection]

Wheeeee! This is fun!

I think I'll add another nail in creationism's coffin!

Vestigial structures.

From the male nipple to the panda thumb, nature is fraught with non-functional structures that seem to be evolutionary remnaints! Why do humans have an apendix? Why do whales have pelvises? When one uses creationism it is evident that god created a world of sub-par animals for us! Evolution however can explain and predict these as intermediary steps in evolution!

 

[carlosMM]

Perfection: there's no more room for nails, that coffin has so many in it that you will be hard pressed to place another one between the heads of the old ones!

 

[Perfection]

I glued some particle board to it so I'd have a fresh spot.

 

[Inter4]

It is just plain stupid to believe that earth was created in 7 literal days.
The word ''day'' in the Bible can mean, 24 hours, 1 week, 100 years, 1000, years, 1.000.000 years. Depends on the situation.

 

[carlosMM]

It is just plain stupid to believe that earth was created in 7 literal days.
The word ''day'' in the Bible can mean, 24 hours, 1 week, 100 years, 1000, years, 1.000.000 years. Depends on the situation.

or it can just mean 'I have no idea whatsoever so let's pick some timespan; them uneducated clueless farmers will never notice that I am making this up!'

that's what it usually means.

 

[Japher]

Have we evolved to such a point that we know now that religion is BS?

I know I have.

 

[Inter4]

or it can just mean 'I have no idea whatsoever so let's pick some timespan; them uneducated clueless farmers will never notice that I am making this up!'

that's what it usually means.

yeah, sure, you are right! :roleyes:

 

[carlosMM]

yeah, sure, you are right! :roleyes:

yeah, sure, the bible knows it all a lot better then todays scientists because it was written by God personally... wait, no, by inspired priests... no that's not right, it was written by people who took down dictations from God... or was it people who steno'ed Jesus talks.....?????

a hell of a bunch o' experts!




in your face, creationists - you range from the outright stupid (literal bible) to the intentionally uninformed! I despie the former for their arrogance, and I pity the latter for their passive acceptance of other peoples opinions.

 

[carlosMM]

hm, maybe I was a bit harsh in my last post. But I will let it stand, as it is true:

people who believ in some form of creation within the physicla confines of our universe are just avoiding the facts for reasons totally unintelligible to me! That includes such soft-washed pc versions like intelligent design, too. They are no better, they just admit that creationism is wrong where it is really hilarious, then use the same prinicple of unfounded claims, outright denial of evidence and lies ('there is debate', 'evolutionists [what a dumb temr, btw!] have serious doubts about their theories') again. A retreating fight because they lack the guts to stand up and say: Yep, that's nonsense!


So, instead of applying their (often smart) minds to finding out more on how life works they waste everyones time!

For all those who still think any kind of creationism has any foundation - go familiarize yourself with the works os E. Mayr, the Harvard professor who just turned 100.

 

[Perfection]

@ Carlos, I haven't read Mayr, any reccomendations?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

You know, just senselessly bashing religion makes you look a lot less enlightened than you consider yourselves.

 

[The Last Conformist]

We're not, strictly speaking, bashing religion here; we're bashing creationism, a doctrine accepted by far from all religious believers, but, to my surprise, accepted by a few people who claim to be irreligious.

As for enlightenment, I leave that to the Buddhists.

 

[carlosMM]

You know, just senselessly bashing religion makes you look a lot less enlightened than you consider yourselves.

bashing religion?

no, bashing hard people who are so dumb to let some perverted fundamentalist belief get in the way of their of brain doing what it is suppoed to do - think!

 

[Perfection]

You know, just senselessly bashing religion makes you look a lot less enlightened than you consider yourselves.

I'm not bashing religion. I'm bashing those that dogmaticly apply religion to science. Religion in itself is fine, just not applying it to scientific theories.

Edit: @Carlos, still wondering about those Mayr reccomendations...

 

[carlosMM]

ah, perfection, I must look them up! he wrote 28 books by now, most of them are very interesting. But msot I ever read was publications.

Also, I tend to have read them in german, too. Give me a day, OK?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

bashing religion?

no, bashing hard people who are so dumb to let some perverted fundamentalist belief get in the way of their of brain doing what it is suppoed to do - think!

You know, by implying that the brain has a supposed purpose, you are strongly suggesting that something created the human race.

 

[Perfection]

That's fine, considering the snails pace I'm reading "The Structure of Evolutionary theory" you could have a month or two!

 

[carlosMM]

You know, by implying that the brain has a supposed purpose, you are strongly suggesting that something created the human race.

eh, am I?

rather, I am referring pretty much to what our society says - not any brain fart dream of a supernatural bein

 

[The Last Conformist]

I might take issue with the claim that our society tells us to use our brains ...