The PNAC won't like this... Iran Story

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

The current foreign policy of the United States is to prevent the propagation of nuclear weapons. Iran would likely start selling Nukes to the highest bidder when and if they start making their own.

 

[Sanaz]

The current foreign policy of the United States is to prevent the propagation of nuclear weapons. Iran would likely start selling Nukes to the highest bidder when and if they start making their own.

Is the assumption that they really wouldn't be open to full disclosure, including accounting and inspection? Israel is still not a "declared" nuclear power. N. Korea isn't being inspected regularly, and may be selling to the highest bidder. No one knows for certain where Russia's nukes headed off to. Is the fear really that the nukes may fall into the "wrong" hands? Or is it that there may be an independent nation in the Middle East who can not be dominated by the US and Israel?

I think the world would be better if there were no nukes at all, anywhere. That isn't happening. So the next best thing is full disclosure and monitoring/tracking of materials and any weapons that may be manufactured.

And as an aside, US foreign policy generally sucks. Using that as a support for an argument, as far as I'm concerned, has the negative effect. If US foreign policy supports it, then I will assume it is a very bad idea that makes the world less safe for everyone (including Americans). There was a time when the idea of the US as "world policeman" was silly, but not completely scary. Now it is just plain scary with no silliness.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Iran supports Terrorism

Bush Doctrine=Any State that supports or funds terrorism will be considered a terrorist organizationa and delt with accordingly.

Whats so bad about that foreign policy? I'm confused.

 

[silver 2039]

Iran supports Terrorism

Bush Doctrine=Any State that supports or funds terrorism will be considered a terrorist organizationa and delt with accordingly.

Whats so bad about that foreign policy? I'm confused.

Because it's hypocritical Pakistan supports and funds terroists as well but it gets billions in US aid and weapons.

 

[Neomega]

Iran supports Terrorism

Bush Doctrine=Any State that supports or funds terrorism will be considered a terrorist organizationa and delt with accordingly.

Whats so bad about that foreign policy? I'm confused.

Foreign policy based on a word with no real definition, and no attempt to define exactly what constitutes terrorism, is a foreign policy based on the word of the government, not law.

I would just once like to see a clear definiton of exactly what constitutes terrorism.

 

[Jawz II]

im not gonna get involved, i just wanted to say i think seleucatusnicator and rmsharpe are insane!


ok i didnt really need to mention rmsharpe, hes been that way a long time

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i think its hilarious that america, the only nation to use nuclear weapons on civilians, and only country to use WMD (except iraq, which used chemical weapons on iran, back then when saddam was americas lapdog) in a long long time, going back to ww1, wants to stop other nations from getting them!

even bomb people and invade them so they wont get them

which in iraqs case, there wasnt even any..!

 

[silver 2039]

This isn't about being a "superpower," this is about not having New York City turn into a pile of smoldering rubble. And you'd better watch out too, your nation could be next on the fundamentalist chopping block.



And if Iran wants to destroy Israel, we should just let it?

Sure India is the next fundie target Lots of countries want to destroy Israel. Can they? Do they?

 

[Jawz II]

just 1 more thing, nobody would wanna destroy israel if they treated the arabs as human beings!

what goes around usually comes around and if you spread hatred like the jews are doing, it usually comes around and bites you in the ass!
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do isreal have reason to worry? maybe, but its their own damn fault mostly

the situation can be defused really easy, if they wanted it too!

 

[Jawz II]

so when i say something that a mod disagrees with im trolling?

i didnt swear, and i wasnt trying to hurt anybodys feelings

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[Azadre]

Iran supports Terrorism

Bush Doctrine=Any State that supports or funds terrorism will be considered a terrorist organizationa and delt with accordingly.

Whats so bad about that foreign policy? I'm confused.

We support Terrorism. That's what is so bad.

 

[Akka]

I hope not....Our men and women in uniform didn't die to put another scumbag dictator into power. Bush said there would be Democracy in Iraq, if he was lying he isn't the man I thought he was.

He already lied about the WMD, and the "battle to win hearts and minds" ended in torture routine in prisons.
So far, it seems it's been a while that Bush isn't the man you thought he was...

I'm not supporting Iran having nukes.
But then, I'm not supporting anyone having nukes, so...

 

[amadeus]

Always such over-dramatized, sensationalist, pandemonious tripe.

Where's Jeratain when you need him? I'm sure he'd disagree (his family lived in Iran and were Bah'ai.)

If you're ever finding yourself with a copy of Oliver North's biography, there's a photo in there from a sign in Tehran with the words "ISRAEL MUST BE DESTROYED."

I doubt the Ayatollah's Mideast peace plan is anything peaceful.

 

[amadeus]

We support Terrorism. That's what is so bad.

I have a creeping suspicion this is about Israel.

 

[amadeus]

...why not let smaller nations which have started a grand total of zero wars over the past sixty years and have never used weapons of mass destruction have nuclear weapons as well?

How many wars they start doesn't matter. Have peoples' memories of the Iranian arms shipment to the PLO faded already?

 

[Neomega]

Where's Jeratain when you need him? I'm sure he'd disagree (his family lived in Iran and were Bah'ai.)

I talked for an hour or so with a guy from Iran about this exact predicament, he had actually been living in Canada for 20 years.

While he certainly did not like the Ayatollah, he also did not think the US should bomb anything to get our way. We both agreed that open trade and political pressure were the best ways to bring an end to the regime,

 

[Hygro]

A US victory would be if the insurgents were neutralized or surrendered, or simply stopped fighting, and Iraq's elections went as planed, ushering in the new Iraqi Democracy. Then the US could go back to fighting the War on Terror like we should be doing.

Yes that would be nice. But that's a bit like me winning the lottery, it's technically possible but it's not realistic.

Something would have to be drastically changed for that to happen. We'd have to pull out (so they'd stop fighting), and they'd have their election, but then there's the problem of a potential civil war from pulling out, or at least an election where the "wrong people" (who I think are not good for the country) would gain power.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

How many wars they start doesn't matter. Have peoples' memories of the Iranian arms shipment to the PLO faded already?

How about the US government overthrowing a democratically elected government in Chile and replacing it with a brutal dictator?

Admit it. America's whole foreign policy and history for the past sixty years is nothing but hypocrisy.

 

[amadeus]

How about the US government overthrowing a democratically elected government in Chile and replacing it with a brutal dictator?

You're giving the U.S. government too much credit.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

Hey, remember back in '88, when we shot down Iran Air Flight 665 - killing all 290 aboard? That was more gasoline onto the fire - that I still think is burning very strongly in the avg. Iranian. They of course, think we did it on purpose, inspiring more passionate hatred. But, that's just what they do - hate. Hate Americans, in recent times.

But really, I think they're still just really pissed about what happened back in WWII, when the USSR and UK basically walked right over them (when they were still 'Persia' at the time). 'Oh, this is your country? Too bad, we'll just borrow it for a while, get out of our way. Thanks.'.

But you know what I really think about when someone says, 'Iran'? That Rudi (Rudabeh) Bakhtiar babe on CNN Headline News. Mon-Fri, she comes on at 10pm Eastern (late night news). She was born and raised in Iran. And MAN, she is a hottie! She's getting a little older now, as time goes by (getting close to late 30s, IIRC), but still... I refer to her as "the precious passionate Persian Princess"

I think she's only like 5ft tall, though...
And you could NEVER tell she has any kind of accent, unless she starts pronouncing some Middle Eastern names. Like 'Saddam' - she says that in such a way that it gives away her native tongue. Anyways, she's pretty sophistcated, and very attractive (IMO), and SOMETHING tells me she has hightened sexual powers...

And she lives fairly close... hmmmm.... perhaps I could single-handedly help to improve U.S.-Iranian relations....

RRRRRRRuda-babeh....

 

[Neomega]

Hey, remember back in '88, when we shot down Iran Air Flight 665 - killing all 290 aboard? That was more gasoline onto the fire - that I still think is burning very strongly in the avg. Iranian. They of course, think we did it on purpose, inspiring more passionate hatred. But, that's just what they do - hate. Hate Americans, in recent times.

Yet we couldn't figure out how to take down our own plane when they were headed for the twin towers, 16 years later.