[TOT] The Test Of Time Patch Project

TNO, I am wondering (and I know you have your hands full)...
But how difficult would it be to add more techs slots to the list?
Perhaps extending the "X techs"...

PS
Amazing news that you will be adding (hopefully) more units slots.
Truly a dream come true if it can be implemented, sir!
 
Thanks, TNO. My scenario is progressing smoothly now. At the start, the Japanese invading British Burma have no home cities. Its attacking army is made up of units with 'NONE' as their home city. Japan has a fundamentalist government, and all Japanese units have the 'free support for fundamentalism' flag. Though they attack as ordered, and capture Burmese cities, the units are disbanded by the AI at a great rate. My question is whether it would be possible to add a flag to @UNITS_ADVANCED to prevent the AI from disbanding particular units of an AI civ? There are already flags to prevent human controlled civ units from being disbanded and to prevent barbarian units from expiring, so I'm thinking it must be possible. Is it?
 
Hello again!

I dont want to irritate the wizard TheNamelessOne -again, like i did before-, to give a huge critisicm
to his awesome overhauling super project, we all appreciate and adore much much much!

In my opinion TNO tries, to make everything perfect. So, instead of giving an already cracked civ2.exe,
like i suggested before, he wanted to stay on the secure side, to not use an illegal .exe versus
the creators of the game. He decided to say: Please install a whole new ToT on your c drive,
then install the ToTPP, that it might work as a "legal" procedure of overhauling, then click one
hundred check boxes, where 99 % of all overhauling options, would just be fixes and sure for
use gimmicks, and what if just an english original copy of ToT would work, all the others not.

Well, what i think is, and i am very sorry, that that concept is a rabbit hole.

Instead of "staying on the secure and legal side", i just would, like i suggested before,
give one civ2.exe for usage plus the ToTPP, with a closed version, all check boxes working,
plus a pro option, like i suggested before.
The reason is, that i give a !#@! about that "legal side". That game is 1999, 16 years old,
in fact, much older, caused by the much older former game Civ2 original, that ToT is based on.

It is a stone old game, and there are just thousands of newer and better games.
Sadly no newer Civilization Games by Sid Meier... you got that joke?
No Sid Meier and no creator of that ToT game, in my opinion, would give any -lets copy and paste-
!#@! about cracking that ToT game up, and implementing newer stuff, like an english civ2.exe crack,
plus ToTPP, and a whole english version of that whole stuff, ready for download and use,
as a Civilization 2 Test of Time 2, or whatever, Civ2 ToT the next century (Civ2 ToT TNC), so
you could just download one available version, like a whole new game, unpack and play,
without bying ebay an old game for 1 dirty bug or whatever, on a CD...

in my opinion, that whole "staying on the secure and legal side", please own a legal package
of that game in english, install it c drive, download the newest version ToTPP, hope it might work,
hope it might work with any other language, operating system, civ2.exe, older version of ToTPP
done works themselves, that whole thing is just too complicated in my opinion, just done for
that dozen of fanatics, still playing around with that stuff. No other player would ever do that effort,
giving that overhauled game just a simple chance at all.

I would suggest, to think about that:

Lets make a civ2.exe crack english version, and that whole Test of Time game in english,
ready for a whole download plus ToTPP, with all check boxes enabled, plus a pro options.
One package, unpack, play, whatever drive, whatever os, whatever. Just download and play.

New skins for batch file choose. And whole new four scenarios in game, base scenarios.
We have more units, more terrain, more events, just more more more, and these four scenarios
never really worked... some bugs, too boring, whatever.
New skins for batch file. New four scenarios based on the better stuff, a whole new ToT ready for
download and use, for everyone... there might be the small chance of a whole renaissance,
and that game might being played by some more guys out there, than to limit that poor old game,
just down, rip it down to "own your own english version of that game CD install it c drive hope that
newest version ToTPP might work and be compatible" that is all just too complicated for a general usage.

I would love to create a whole new original game, more units, more terrains, more events,
more fun, and 4 worlds, perhaps earth, moon, mars, and another moon, all solar system.
Based on the ToT 2.0 21. century stuff.

O yes, last thing:

An events.txt order would be awesome:

HUMANPLAYERONLY / AIONLY or whatever.

So that i could say:

That civ gets troopers, if it is AI only, turn whatever.
If that civ would be the human player, he or she would get nothing.

I dont want to irritate TNO again! Hes a great artist and creator.
But i still think, he does that job, as if he would get payed by the company, the owner of that game,
as if he would have to protect rights or whatever, staying on the legal side, and making an
official super game out of it - in my opinion, such a thing is useless, and might never happen anyway.

Better to do a whole working copy, like a free Civ2 ToT TNC, for everyone, instead of a limited
"legal rabbit hole"... in my opinion! Better a free version of a free community, for free download
for truely everyone, than an "official and legal rabbit hole version", in fact for nobody else but
for a dozen remaining fanatics. That over perfect bareer might be for worse, not for good...

in my opinion.

:)
 
@La Raven:
I am sorry, but your viewpoint here is out of whack. Not sure really what you are aiming at.

What is wrong with installing a fresh version of ToT? It is a small installation, and no trouble to do.
Unless of course, you have no legal copy of the original game. If that is the case, go and buy it.

TNO has worked wonders to extend the life of a game we all love. He done this for no profit, and
asks nothing in return. No-one is asking you to like or approve, but also, there is no need for you
to be critical of his work. If you are unhappy with the TOTPP project, then you are a minority.

And get a grip, man. No-one even knows who legally owns the rights to CIV2 any more.
There is nothing illegal in our modding. Your whole "rabbit hole" line is nonsensical...

I don't oppose you having an opinion, but I do say that we are making progress and
having fun with our beloved CIV2, so we don't require this kind of debate at this time.

Kindly leave TNO to do as he sees fit, and leave us to enjoy his work.

Thanks. :)
 
Well, then lets play another strike.

I know, that there might be nothing illegal with that old game to crack or modify...
it is for free download available anyway, and YES, thats my whole point!

I own the Civ2 ToT game. But not the english version. And we all know, that TNO does a
hyper specific tweak session of rewriting data by the ToTPP plus a working civ2.exe.
What if the most non english civ2.exes wont work?
What if all of these damned old Civ2 ToT CDs just scratchy and dead?
I dont believe in CDs, DVDs or Blurays anymore. It is the age of streamings.

So why not making available one english version for free download, not an old dying CD,
not a fresh install c drive, just a download of the english version plus the civ2.exe english crack,
like available already, but blah blah blah, like i told above many times.

I dont understand that trouble with a fresh from poor old CD c drive install of the original game,
why? It IS available for free usage already, so why to risk, malfunction by incompatibility
and making that damned complicated? I just dont understand that whole procedure.

TNO has worked wonders to extend the life of a game we all love.

Undoubtedly.

He done this for no profit, and asks nothing in return.

Wrong. Like Fairline and his unit gfx, TNO asks for usage.
Or do you really think, TNO does it just for doing, -thats the art of the modder-,
perhaps. But perhaps he wants to achieve a simple for use perfection,
a simple for use perfection for a free use for everyone, and not just for the owners
of a poor old CD copy of the english version of Test of Time, all files corrupted in five years.

I dont believe in CDs, DVDs, Blurays anymore, i repeat this.
I download .exe cracks, even if i own my games, and i hate steam addiction.
I would even use a crack for a crack, to stream my smack. lol.

So why trying to create a perfect for use new version for a renaissance for an old game,
while it might depend on owning an english original copy on CD? Thats weired.
A better word: quite irritating.

If you are unhappy with the TOTPP project, then you are a minority.

Hahaha, you are a funny guy. The minority of a minority... lol.

Undoubtedly that whole TNO magic is the greatest overhauling project i ever saw
in any effort of modding, quite EVER!
It is the most lucky happening that all that stuff happens to Test of Time, and i am thankful
and in awe for that, and thank you TNO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But isnt it good, to give worthy criticism in early stages of the project before walking the dead?
Is it wrong to give another opinion, in my opinion worthy and... good for a thinkabout?

but I do say that we are making progress and having fun with our beloved CIV2,
so we don't require this kind of debate at this time.

Undoubtedly/ so what do you require? A huge amount of incompatibility in the end,
and broken CDs? I thought TNO tries to give incompatibility not a chance.
But did you hear? Even ToTPP based works, are incompatible with later versions of ToTPP.
To simplify that whole CD, versions, c drive, os stuff, in my opinion, would be a first shot.

Kindly leave TNO to do as he sees fit, and leave us to enjoy his work.

My words make you tremble? My words prevent you from enjoying his work?
These are just suggestions, and i think, rightful ones.
As if i said: stupid game, stupid TNO, all stupid! No.
I did my effort to tell my opinion, its a good old game, TNOs work is amazing undoubtedly,
and perhaps some of the users and modders here, the last fanatics standing,
will get some good works out of it. I just say, it could be much easier to go.
 
I posted this on the Scenario League forum. I'm not sure if the issue is related to ToTPP or a quirk in the original game, but it started after I was using the edit terrain hotkeys to change terrain under cities in a save. No harm done. I have a backup save to go back to, but I would like to work out what happened as I would like to change the base terrain under certain cities if possible. If I have to destroy them, change the terrain and then rebuild I will, but if I can do it with the hotkeys I would much prefer that. Not a biggie but I thought I would ask your opinion. :D

It looks like I have run out of luck and into one of those frustrating problems that is almost inevitable in Civ2 design. It seems to have occurred after using ToTPP to add and remove some river terrain from under cities. Suddenly all of the rival Civs names have reverted to the ones in @LEADERS section of the Rules.txt and I can't seem to put them back to normal again. Presumably this could break all of the events and so on.

Does anyone have experience of this type of thing happening and can anyone suggest a fix? I do have a master copy of the save prior to the issue so its not a disaster, but I would like to find out why it has happened as I was pretty keen to make these in game terrain alterations (mostly for cities built on rivers that should not have higher than normal defence stats).

EDIT: I had another go at changing the terrain under cities and this time I got no bugs crop up. I think it is OK to remove rivers and change the terrain type. To me it would seem that adding rivers to a city square could be the cause of the issue, but I haven't looked into this in detail. I expect this is a bug in Civ2, rather than an issue with ToTPP.
 
@la raven

Is that you Nicheal?

I like your idea of a packaged ToTPP download with everything ready to play and compatible for all languages and all types of players (old pros and newcomers). I must admit I have been put off getting into games with similar setups before. Open General is a good example. Getting all the correct equipment files, maps and other stuff together was a pretty daunting task for a newbie. Then Luiz Guzman (I think it was) put everything into a single installation package which contained all the scenarios, graphics and maps. Just download, install and play. This made that classic old game way more accessible and I can see how it could attract new players to the game and get them hooked. It is a seriously addictive game with some amazing fan built campaigns, much like Test of Time.

A few possible flaws with your plan:

- The loyal fans of Civ2 who have been dreaming of this kind of revolutionary development for years are just over the moon to finally have someone with the expertise and enthusiasm to make all this happen. I would rather see the achievable improvements implemented than go off on a tangent trying to appeal to a mass market. It is a pretty small community nowadays, but I think there are a lot of players out there who visit the forums without ever commenting. Most of these players will own a copy of Test of Time or have it installed on a hard-drive.

- Right now I would imagine TheNamelessOne has quite a full list of requests and from what he has said re-writing the whole game from scratch would be a monumental task. Installation is really rather easy. Install ToT. Install the v1.1 patch and then run ToTPP. Implementing some of the changes is more complicated, but if you can't work that out then you probably aren't going to find much use for ToTPP. Test of Time was a pretty lame game (IMHO) but it was an excellent scenario creation tool. It is scenario designers and players who will benefit the most from ToTPP and a bit of technical knowledge is part and parcel of the hobby, so a bit of effort to install the thing is not a massive problem.

- If it was possible to crack the ToT code and modify it, then release it as a new work we could run into legal issues. I know nobody seems to know who has the original source code (if it even exists apart from on ToT discs), but you can bet that if someone did release a cracked version a Microprose (or whoever) copyright lawyer would spring from thin air and order it to be taken down, especially of it did gain some popularity. That's just sods law!

- I disagree with what you said about compatibility issues between versions. As far as I can see each new version supports any improvements implemented using the versions preceding it. I have been working on the same scenario with several different versions of ToTPP without any compatibility issues. I think the problem Techumseh encountered was due to him missing one of the instructions in on the launcher and as soon as this was pointed out he added the required line of text in the rules file and hey presto, everything works.

I think you are right to put forward your suggestions. There's no point in putting huge amounts of time and energy into something, only to realise you set off on the wrong path right at the beginning. I just don't think that is the case with this project. This is what we have dreamed of for years and though there may not be a huge number of us around nowadays we are dedicated to our hobby and are really pleased with the direction ToTPP is heading. :D
 
If it is Nicheal, logging in as a fake account is one thing, but disrupting
the project with spammy gibberings will annoy us all even more.

These days, I am not in the mood for clownshoe antics.
 
@la raven

Is that you Nicheal?

It better not be.

I like your idea of a packaged ToTPP download with everything ready to play and compatible for all languages and all types of players (old pros and newcomers). I must admit I have been put off getting into games with similar setups before. Open General is a good example. Getting all the correct equipment files, maps and other stuff together was a pretty daunting task for a newbie. Then Luiz Guzman (I think it was) put everything into a single installation package which contained all the scenarios, graphics and maps. Just download, install and play. This made that classic old game way more accessible and I can see how it could attract new players to the game and get them hooked. It is a seriously addictive game with some amazing fan built campaigns, much like Test of Time.

Reading between the lines, I can see this guy basically wants a free UK/US copy of TOT. And expects TNO to deliver it.

I suggest he goes onto amazon and buy it. You'd be amazed how miserly people can be when it comes to spending a mere 15 bucks.

Installing and using TOTPP (as you know, MM) is easy as pie. Any seasoned modder can master it.
I had a few problems due to my installation being years old and more mutated than a Dalek.
But, with a fresh TOT installation, and a few rules tweaks it all worked perfect.

I would recommend Nicheal, I mean "La Raven", find that "free" copy of TOT
he mentions, install it fresh on a seperate directory, and try TOTPP again...

Given a chance, he will see it is really a great breakthrough.
Without all the legal ramifications of the game code issues.

:)
 
but disrupting the project with spammy gibberings will annoy us all even more.

These days, I am not in the mood for clownshoe antics.

???
Whats that? As if i did an assault or affront or something.
I dont understand. Is it not good, to trying to discuss any options,
for putting that whole thing on a higher level?

I wont argue that whole stuff to the bloody death now, sorry.
Perhaps all of you, love that game, and love TNO for his overhauling, and you all
are in heaven now, and you dont want any affront versus TNO to stop him doing,
but i did no such thing, i just wanted to say my point, then leave again.
Why should i argue endlessly, and for what??? I really dont understand.

It is just a pity in my eyes, that to buy an english version on CD, getting it delivered, -waiting-,
installing it fresh c drive, installing the 1.1 patch, installing the ToTPP, that all is just an
over limited, restricted thing to me. You have to buy, to wait, to install one thousand things.

That might be easy going for modders, game enthusiasts, people reading any manual,
but is even that 1.1 patch included in that ToTPP package? Like McMonkey told above:

Your community is small, the last survivors of the show. Like Curt Sibling told above:
A dream comes true like a true heaven, as a major supreme hyper overhauling project.
Some other interested modders/gamers might like to find their way... it is a chance,
to put Test of Time on an official level again, but like McMonkey told above:
Rarely, if you limit the access to a byers and installer and installer and installer club.
Better to give one package, for one use.

Whatever. I made my point.
That has nothing to do with source code and all that stuff. There is a cracked US/UK version
in internet for free download already, since years, i own it. To rewrite all, i didnt say.
It is good like TNO does, and by the way, most illegal, to rewrite that heap of the game.
To just use a fresh civ2.exe, and doing that ToTPP, i see, we wouldnt need more than that.
Who would need source code and a fully cracked? ToTPP is working anyhow.
Uaaargh. I dont want to repeat my whole point, believe it or not.

Reading between the lines, I can see this guy basically wants a free UK/US copy of TOT.
And expects TNO to deliver it.

If you would just read the lines only, you would have gotten the point: YES, i do.
There IS a free copy of ToT already, since years, totally free available, so thats not my problem.
It just wont work with a ToTPP requiring a fresh c drive installation from english CD, i would have
to buy... uaaargh! Now it annoys me.

Perhaps you just fear, that my whole point interrupts the whole project, as a major assault or something.
Hm, perhaps, i should say it, like i really think:

If a new baby is born, you cut the cord.
The cord is to limit it to a poor old CD of a poor old game.
The new baby could be, a free standalone, easy for use, easy for download, brandnew game,
made out of a poor old game called Test of Time, made into a revolution of the game itself,
a Test of Time 2.0. You try to make everything right, and you leave all on CD, you leave all on
that limited level. To just put all that stuff together for an easy to go download, to cut the cord,
and put it free on its own level, independent, brandnew, easy access, easy play, would put it
on its own rightful level of joy and play, as a whole package and an easy for all fun, as a brandnew
born baby, and brandnew game - it is a major tweak, so why not make a major baby out of it?

I suggest he goes onto amazon and buy it. You'd be amazed how miserly people can be when it comes to spending a mere 15 bucks.

15 bucks??? Too much.
You get on steam, for 15 bucks, the newest games HD, like Transformers movies, blink blink
bang bang, why should any guy out there buy a limited going instead of blink blink bang bang?

As i told above: It is streaming time, now pay, now play.
What you have is, order, deliver, wait, install, install, search, install, hope, c drive, wont work,
too annoying, the guy didnt read the manual anyhow, angry angry, out of business.

Installing and using TOTPP (as you know, MM) is easy as pie. Any seasoned modder can master it.

If you own an english copy on CD, and if you find that 1.1 patch. It is, yes.
If you want a baby for that dozen of remaining modders, yes it is.
If you want a major baby for perhaps some new guys, no it isnt.

find that "free" copy of TOT
he mentions, install it fresh on a seperate directory, and try TOTPP again...

Dont you think i tried many things, to get that newest version to run?
Earlier versions were more unlimited, with languages, cracks, the newest versions just seem to
run with a fresh c drive installation english version from CD, patch 1.1, and nothing else anymore.
And just freakin nothin else! Cause TNO had the problem of incompatibility issues.
Now you have the issue, that it might just work, with 15 bucks, a slow delivery, with one .exe,
one 1.1 patch to search and use, another ToTPP to use, hopefully fun, if it might ever work.

Given a chance, he will see it is really a great breakthrough.
Without all the legal ramifications of the game code issues.

I dont know. If you would have seen that whole project, from the beginning, as i did,
you might have posted much earlier, Curt Sibling, McMonkey, some others.
Where have you been? I read that whole stuff from the beginning, and i downloaded
the earliest versions available. And just wanted to access that forum, since versions,
not working anymore caused by that fresh c drive install stuff, annoying me much.

I understand completely, the whole procedure, why TNO did what he did.
I just suggest a much more easy access and going, or it might stay within its inner circle
of the last remaining Civ2 users/gamers/modders, and it might get never a chance,
to put itself on a brandnew level, being played and modded by some new guys out there,
being interested, if it might be a better going. And thats my point and now i am out again.

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Hm, let me explain, a last time.

I would put TNOs ToTPP just like a crown, in the centre of all interest.
I would create a whole new package, a whole new game.

Test of Time is old. Its terrain gfx are terrible. Its unit gfx are terrible.
And even if not - they are just old. Compared to even Civ3.
Its skin is terrible. The four basic scenarios are buggy and a kind of boring.

I would just take the whole package english Test of Time, plus a basic cracked civ2.exe,
already patched for the ToTPP use, and i would put ToTPP just in the centre of that whole package.
Then i would give that whole package a brandnew skin.
Perhaps some skins for easy to choose free use by batchfile.
Then i would give that whole package new colours like terrain, city, unit gfx.
Mostly by Fairline. Then i would do my effort to create whole new four basic scenarios.

That whole new package, with all these new stuff things and parameters,
i would call Civ2 ToT2, and for free download, available, and ready for play,
just download, unpack to wherever, click the ToTPP launcher, and having a brandnew fun.

And based on that Civ2 ToT2, i would create whole new scenarios.
Perhaps you fear that work, you are too lazy to help TNO to that next level,
perhaps you dont want to reach that next level, cause you are happy enough.
I dont know.
But in my mind, TNOs major effort would deserve a major effort of the community,
to push that baby on the next level - Civ2 Test of Time 2!

We have a better surface already. Better .avis i think with DirectX.
Why not a better skin, generally. Better terrain, city, unit gfx generally.
The better, or brandnew four scenarios, generally.

A brandnew game generally, based on ToTPP, the one and only new launcher of a
new 21. century supreme game!
I dont want to interrupt anything, i want to push it just over that damned edge.

:)
 
I would suggest, before these last few modders try to accomplish their lonely scenarios,
each modder by his pity own, --- that a whole community effort would be made up,
like in the "better forums on that server", that a whole bunch of people, --- TNO does his
ToTPP - the Test of Time Patch Project, and the community, does the ToT2P -
the Test of Time 2 Project, for a major overhauling, the way i told above.

To simply create an original game based on the tweaks.
More cities. More city styles. More units. More terrain slots.
A four map original game based on the tweaks of ToTPP - as i told above!
A 21. century original game Civ2 ToT2 ToTPP with four maps earth, moon, mars,
another moon, based on the advanced parameters as a major communities project.

Why not working together on a community ToT2P, to push that over the edge
into a brandnew game working for all out there?
Why not a whole new original game, extended original game, fantasy game,
scifi game, based on the new parameters as a whole communities project,
to help TNO, to work it out completely, together?

That, in fact, was my whole point. Just too much, to tell you, sorry.


Hahaha, a funny thought and saying:

So, lets see, if these last remainers are worthy, another Test of Time!


I anyway, ever thought, that it might be the much better modders done scenario,
if he or she might create just a whole new 4 maps basic scenario... not a fixed
history scenario with fixed parameters, but an open basic scenario, like another
original, extended, fantasy or scifi game... that is much much more interesting,
to perhaps create a whole new basic stuff, then to lonely dissipate within time
and effort consuming lonely modders projects, better to play another big game,
than to play 60 turns whatever... it would be fun, to create a brandnew Test of Time 2,
with brandnew 4 basic scenarios, each with 4 maps, based on the new parameters!

It would perhaps be the greatest fun for the whole community, instead of working lonely,
and perhaps never finishing up these lonely artworks!
To create "just" a brandnew Test of Time 2, based on ToTPP, with ToTPP as its crown jewelry.

Thats my opinion in fact.

Screw the CD! Just do a standalone 21. century brandnew ToT2, with ToTPP as its
brandnew launcher entry, right into a whole communities super fun stuff,
like another Alice into another Wonderland! Just do a new game. And screw the CD.
And screw the limits. Open it up, so that perhaps some other guys out there, will join for good!

:)

As if a heap tweaking is not illegal! It IS already! As if Microprose will recognize anything...
perhaps TNO thinks, if he forces some new gamers to buy a new copy, Microprose will say
"Good done!" we allow it. And if we create a whole breakthrough, Microprose will say
wwwaaaaaaaargh! --- to limit that whole stuff to a new copy, causes to limit it to these people,
already there, and these are a few and nothing more --- to open it up, causes new people
to arrive, and would cause a boost for even Microprose, it would be a living advertising much
more to dont even sell one single copy more of a game, nearly completely out of business...

harsh told, but true!

So lets screw these unuseful limits, and push a worthy game over the edge to the true Wonderland!

And who would join the ToT2P?
While TNO is working on his ToTPP, we would have to wait until he has done the
major overhaulings, like more events/done, more terrains/done, more city gfx/done,
mainly more tecs if possible, plus the 127 unit slots.
Then a brandnew original game could be done, based on the brandnew parameters.
And while TNO does his ToTPP, the community does the ToT2P.
And in the end, there will be just a brandnew game for good! Thats my point.

And a last thing... then i did tell what i wanted to.

Perhaps, if TNO reaches perfection, and Test of Time 2 will work completely brandnew,
sfx, avi, gfx, 4 super new games, -perhaps that main menu list TNO could reach to
allow to modify, so that another/even more scenarios could be implemented into the
main menu list, and could direct to another/even more subfolders >

original game
extended game
fantasy game
scifi game
pink rabbits game
...
...
...

just allow to implement generally, another basic scenarios linked to their subfolders.

So that there would be a much longer list of basic scenarios to play.-
and perhaps the terrain gfx, plus unit gfx, plus city gfx, could double their sizes up generally
to a higher resolution, Test of Time 2 could become a new modder wonderland for everyone.

It would be an all time favorite for every modder!
It is "easy to modd", compared to all of these HD super rendered complicated super games,
and it has awesome 4 map gaming, an unbeatable unlimited events heap events.txt, it could
become another age of modder wonderland, if we d just push it over the edge now...

too much for you?

TNOs magic effort would deserve, just another magic effort putting together a whole new
standalone package called

Test of Time 2 - a modders true insane wonderland of the 21. century.

:)




but you can't just scream, shout and stamp your feet until people do what you want.

That i dont do.
My point of view is just a little high end and perhaps too much for some guys out there.

You all seem to be happy to take what you ll get, and make the best out of that small case.
I want to do the best possible thing, to get the best possible case, thats the difference.

So i had to make my point of view clear as possible... what you do, or TNO does, does not matter.
I made my point, yes, and thats all. But it is not just a matter of TNO, it is a matter of the
community too! To push the ToTPP over the edge, to a brandnew ToT2P, could be done
totally without the point of a fresh c drive install and TNO... it could be done generally,
based on ToTPP, so dont reduce that whole point to his decision, make your mind up,
and admit, it is your decision too! And now, i hope, you will get my point.

:)
 
OK Nicheal, give it a rest now. You have made your point. As I said, in principle it sounds good, but you can't just scream, shout and stamp your feet until people do what you want. It is completely up to TheNamelessOne whether he has the time, enthusiasm or the will to consider your suggestion. Let him consider what you have already said and please stop the lengthy posts. We get your point!
 
Personally I'm happy with what I've got right now. Being used to reinstalling and getting the game going on new PCs and OS for now more than 16 years, I don't give a damn any more about having to install a handful of patches and the game manually. CIV2 is a relic from the good old days and not a matter of life and death.
 
O please you are welcome to say

and please stop the lengthy posts. We get your point!

and to not even read my lengthy posts and to reduce all of them to "no fresh c drive CD install" !
I tried to pack all of my opinions about my whole thinking about ToTPP and ToT2P within these
comments so that i will be able to shut up again... i dont write lenghty posts with nothing in,
i write lengthy posts with some things in, and if you wont read nor understand them, that is really
not my pity or shame at all! If we d seriously work on that matter, a serious discussion might
be allowed, or isnt a serious discussion for good, to talk about all options?

In fact i was able to do all i want with ToT, even before TNO arrived.
If 80 or 127 units, 11 or 16 terrains, unlimited events or limited, does not matter,
if you got your time and good ideas, you could work it out easily enough.
And to be honest - i played Rome 2 Total War, and everything, in even a good game,
just repeats itself after a while. It does not matter if your enemies have 100 or 1000 cities,
1000 troopers or 10000, if your values are good, and these guys march on, it is for good.

TNO did a nice overhauling gimmick in my opinion, -well, a most magical super stuff in fact, but-
not necessarily for an "i have have have to use it", just for an "i could perhaps use it"...

so, me too, could say:

CIV2 is a relic from the good old days and not a matter of life and death.

and please dont read my lenghty posts at all, or take them as assault or affront or whatever.
That simply does not matter to me! I made my point, i shared my opinion good as i could,
so that i can just turn on radio silence again! I would not even have entered that whole forum,
if TNO would not have done his decision to limit that too much, in my opinion!
I dont want to argue, nor do that interruption that Curt Sibling was talking about!
Nor do i want to stomp with my feet like a little child what that McMonkey was talking about!

I did my point, and now test of time to leave again!

Take what you could need out of my bunch of ideas, or leave all of them far behind, whatever!

Have lovely days, all of you! And, undoubtedly, whatever TNO will do or decide, these guys
working with ToTPP, are surely able much much much, to get their wonderland out of it!
And, undoubtedly too, if i would make that effort, to create something out of ToT,
i too, would surely get my wonderland, even without ToTPP.

:)
 
My thought exactly. :popcorn:
Yep, there's only one person on the planet who posts like this. I reported him last year when he began his ravings in this thread, in an effort to nip this kind of BS in the bud. I'm pretty sure that creating a sock puppet account to circumvent a permanent ban is also a bannable offence at CFC.

...and please stop the lengthy posts. We get your point!
He can't help himself. He's obsessively hovering over the thread as I type. I have both of his accounts on my ignore list.
 
I think Nicheal may have thought of that, which may be why he only posts here and no longer in the SL sub-forum. It doesn't look like McMonkey or Curtsibling are mods here; the only listed one is MagicGorter. Time to contact him, I think.
 
Yeah, as we all suspected!
The mask has slipped off, and the clown is revealed...

Time to PM the mods. :)
 
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