carthaginian goals are easier in the newest version
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carthaginian goals are easier in the newest version
Corm
Prince
As noted above I have. On more than one occasion. Remember you only have to control the Dye resources not plant a Plantation improvement on them.
Getting vassals of anyone besides a newly former or restored civilization is practicaly impossible.
The AI is simply far more conserned with making you loose than it is with surviving. Even getting a tech or two that wouldn't take more than a couple turns to research is near impossible. They'd rather be destroyed or fall into chaos than agree to your terms. It's so anoying. I can conquer all of western civilization and still not get a vassal, but then be on the verge of implosion, myself. Vassals are prety worthless most of the time anyways. You can''t even demand things from them and I can't for the life of me figure out how to release them without having to goto war with them. If you do goto war with them, they will likely vassalize to your worst enemy and then you have to spend the next 40 turns destroying another civilization. I love the idea of vassalizing other civs, but hate the way ti all works.
In other news, Egypt, Greece, Rome are all prety simple as long as focus on what you're doing and don't get caught up in trying to play for other goals.
babylon is kind of easy as long as everything falls into place, like getting to writing before china, and scooping up near by cities, but if events beyond your control don't work out to your advantage, that's the end of it.
India is kind of the same way. Judaism spawns a few turns before you get it. Too bad, try again. Persia decides they'd like to control your cities and run them into the ground, better hope you can thwart them off while staying focussed on your goals.
Carthage is doable if you can get the right mercenaries. Gotta raze babil and get straight to work on those plantations. Egypt can occassionally be a little too tough to muscle around, though.
England is another one that's not too hard if you plan it right, but because it's more drawn out, there are more things that can go wrong. Don't colonize too early or your economy will be dead, but don't wait too long or all the good spots will be taken. And don't get too cought up in war with Spain or france, britain is a might fortress.
Arabia is actually prety fun, as long as you don't have to goto too far for those holy cities. taking mediolanum isn't nearly as bad as having france and germany breathing down you highly extended neck for a few hundred years. sometimes I don't plan for spains technological advancement and don't get enough troops there, though.
France is okay, not to hard, kind of fun. Again, gotta avoid those warmongering impulses. I had to look up where the cities needed to be founded to get the win, though, it would be nice if all the "control/found/colonize vague region X" could be specified somewhere in the civilopedia, instead of having to parse through victory.py or consts.py.
I've tried Viking only a couple times. It seems like it should be easy enough, but I always come up too short on gold. I guess I need to send more units down into europe to pillage away. I'm just a bit concerned about making THAT many enemies.
I've never played a Japanese game long enough to see how it pans out. I think I get too board with only pety china to deal with, or maybe i realize there's no way I'm going to make the score, either way, I don't think it's all that fun. I really want to play japan into the modern age but never seem to play that far with it.
As Persia I can't seem to get enough land, and those damn huns are so annoying I can't do anything to make samarkand anything besides a money/military sink. you'd think a few spear man could take care of a few horse archers, but they get lucky too often. Also, I find Immortals quite possibly the most worthless UU in the game, especially when babylon is involved. Sometiems the wonders can be a problem too, if china is focusing on them. (I think I may have fixed this, though china still always builds the garden[it doesn't have much else to build when it gets to math])
Spain I've come close, but someone always seems to slip by me, or the aztec defenders get lucky or something else goes wrong. I think it's more fun just to conquer europe, anyway.
Never played germany too long either. Usually end up conquering europe and then getting bored with it. Would be nice to see the UP pay off, though. Maybe I'll make this my next effort.
As Russia I either expand too fast, and loose a city to the damn barbs, or get bogged down in war with the stupid germans that I tire of pretty quickly as they're usually far more powerful than I from the get go.
The chinese UHV isn't all that fun to me. I did it a couple time in previous version and there's jsut too many things that you ahve to do jsut right. I suppose I should do it a couple time to really test my new resource placements, though.
Still haven't played more than a few 20 or so turns as Mali. Never quite been in the mood.
As Inca and Aztec I ahve no idea how you're supposed to keep the europeans out, and watchout if spain is you first contact. ouch.
I haven't been able to figure out how to use the Mongol UP, and am not about to try and conquer far off europe while maintaining a shakey china. Like china itself, I'd rather just fiddle around than go for the UHV. Maybe take out India, and persia if they're still around. Haven't really bothered trying for japan.
Finally America. never done it. either Lady Liberty is already build or close to it, europeans ahve more cities in america than in europe in addition to being a tier or two more advanced than I am, and/or there's no way in hell I'll be able to get all those oil resources. Sometimes Manifest Destiny is a tough enough task. Furthermore, I never seem to get invited to any international conventions.
(sorry if spelling errors bug you, but I've fixed them 3 times now and somehow screwed up the submission of the post, and am not doing it again)
The AI is simply far more conserned with making you loose than it is with surviving. Even getting a tech or two that wouldn't take more than a couple turns to research is near impossible. They'd rather be destroyed or fall into chaos than agree to your terms. It's so anoying. I can conquer all of western civilization and still not get a vassal, but then be on the verge of implosion, myself. Vassals are prety worthless most of the time anyways. You can''t even demand things from them and I can't for the life of me figure out how to release them without having to goto war with them. If you do goto war with them, they will likely vassalize to your worst enemy and then you have to spend the next 40 turns destroying another civilization. I love the idea of vassalizing other civs, but hate the way ti all works.
In other news, Egypt, Greece, Rome are all prety simple as long as focus on what you're doing and don't get caught up in trying to play for other goals.
babylon is kind of easy as long as everything falls into place, like getting to writing before china, and scooping up near by cities, but if events beyond your control don't work out to your advantage, that's the end of it.
India is kind of the same way. Judaism spawns a few turns before you get it. Too bad, try again. Persia decides they'd like to control your cities and run them into the ground, better hope you can thwart them off while staying focussed on your goals.
Carthage is doable if you can get the right mercenaries. Gotta raze babil and get straight to work on those plantations. Egypt can occassionally be a little too tough to muscle around, though.
England is another one that's not too hard if you plan it right, but because it's more drawn out, there are more things that can go wrong. Don't colonize too early or your economy will be dead, but don't wait too long or all the good spots will be taken. And don't get too cought up in war with Spain or france, britain is a might fortress.
Arabia is actually prety fun, as long as you don't have to goto too far for those holy cities. taking mediolanum isn't nearly as bad as having france and germany breathing down you highly extended neck for a few hundred years. sometimes I don't plan for spains technological advancement and don't get enough troops there, though.
France is okay, not to hard, kind of fun. Again, gotta avoid those warmongering impulses. I had to look up where the cities needed to be founded to get the win, though, it would be nice if all the "control/found/colonize vague region X" could be specified somewhere in the civilopedia, instead of having to parse through victory.py or consts.py.
I've tried Viking only a couple times. It seems like it should be easy enough, but I always come up too short on gold. I guess I need to send more units down into europe to pillage away. I'm just a bit concerned about making THAT many enemies.
I've never played a Japanese game long enough to see how it pans out. I think I get too board with only pety china to deal with, or maybe i realize there's no way I'm going to make the score, either way, I don't think it's all that fun. I really want to play japan into the modern age but never seem to play that far with it.
As Persia I can't seem to get enough land, and those damn huns are so annoying I can't do anything to make samarkand anything besides a money/military sink. you'd think a few spear man could take care of a few horse archers, but they get lucky too often. Also, I find Immortals quite possibly the most worthless UU in the game, especially when babylon is involved. Sometiems the wonders can be a problem too, if china is focusing on them. (I think I may have fixed this, though china still always builds the garden[it doesn't have much else to build when it gets to math])
Spain I've come close, but someone always seems to slip by me, or the aztec defenders get lucky or something else goes wrong. I think it's more fun just to conquer europe, anyway.
Never played germany too long either. Usually end up conquering europe and then getting bored with it. Would be nice to see the UP pay off, though. Maybe I'll make this my next effort.
As Russia I either expand too fast, and loose a city to the damn barbs, or get bogged down in war with the stupid germans that I tire of pretty quickly as they're usually far more powerful than I from the get go.
The chinese UHV isn't all that fun to me. I did it a couple time in previous version and there's jsut too many things that you ahve to do jsut right. I suppose I should do it a couple time to really test my new resource placements, though.
Still haven't played more than a few 20 or so turns as Mali. Never quite been in the mood.
As Inca and Aztec I ahve no idea how you're supposed to keep the europeans out, and watchout if spain is you first contact. ouch.
I haven't been able to figure out how to use the Mongol UP, and am not about to try and conquer far off europe while maintaining a shakey china. Like china itself, I'd rather just fiddle around than go for the UHV. Maybe take out India, and persia if they're still around. Haven't really bothered trying for japan.
Finally America. never done it. either Lady Liberty is already build or close to it, europeans ahve more cities in america than in europe in addition to being a tier or two more advanced than I am, and/or there's no way in hell I'll be able to get all those oil resources. Sometimes Manifest Destiny is a tough enough task. Furthermore, I never seem to get invited to any international conventions.
(sorry if spelling errors bug you, but I've fixed them 3 times now and somehow screwed up the submission of the post, and am not doing it again)
Mowque
Hypermodernist
i never go for UHV
lumpthing
generic lump
I generally try and go for UHV, but prioritize traditional endings. I find that if I concentrate only on UHVs and ignore everything else, it undermines the sense of historical immersion.
Corm
Prince
I always go for the UHV otherwise I dont see the point in playing the mod. I dont mean that to sound cheeky its just my personal view. I also think its getting away from the subject of this thread too much. =o)
lumpthing
generic lump
The main idea behind civ is 'rewrite history'. For me the main point in playing RFC is to rewrite Earth's history.
The Q-Meister
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I have now completed the UHVs in:
France - I have played France several times as I plan to contribute to the strategy guide for it. This is a tricky UHV for me. You have to build 3 wonders in 3 different eras, so you need to at least stay on par in the science race, build a colonial empire, maintain a strong culture in Paris and have enough of an army to defend against your European rivals. Your biggest obstacle is that France, unlike Germany is not blessed with great production sites, only Aix-La-Chapelle (whose area MUST be settled) and possibly Northern Italy are your good production cities.
Managing your great people wisely and whipping forges early on are the key here. Peace is difficult to maintain in Europe, even with the same religion, which is of course accurate historically. Meeting the non-European world is essential here as that is when your Unique Power comes into effect and you can trade with those countries easily. This is where you can really jump ahead in techs if you are trading aggressively.
Aztecs - Lots of fun! The Conquistador event was great! Very realistic. I held off the Russians even though they razed one of my cities. I settled the Caribbean early as I figured that would be the first place the Europeans try to take. Amazingly though, there were no European efforts to colonize North America until well after 1700! Don't know if this was because the Russians were repelled or because I expanded aggressive into North America or what but it was very strange.
In the game I played the hardest thing for me to do was get 5 Europeans to enslave! I felt like I took about 10 actually but I wonder if this is because there is some hidden rule about enslaving 5 within a certain time period because I know I did well more than 5 when they finally announced my UHV victory.
Aztecs are a great civ though!
I have now completed the UHVs in:
France - I have played France several times as I plan to contribute to the strategy guide for it. This is a tricky UHV for me. You have to build 3 wonders in 3 different eras, so you need to at least stay on par in the science race, build a colonial empire, maintain a strong culture in Paris and have enough of an army to defend against your European rivals. Your biggest obstacle is that France, unlike Germany is not blessed with great production sites, only Aix-La-Chapelle (whose area MUST be settled) and possibly Northern Italy are your good production cities.
Managing your great people wisely and whipping forges early on are the key here. Peace is difficult to maintain in Europe, even with the same religion, which is of course accurate historically. Meeting the non-European world is essential here as that is when your Unique Power comes into effect and you can trade with those countries easily. This is where you can really jump ahead in techs if you are trading aggressively.
Aztecs - Lots of fun! The Conquistador event was great! Very realistic. I held off the Russians even though they razed one of my cities. I settled the Caribbean early as I figured that would be the first place the Europeans try to take. Amazingly though, there were no European efforts to colonize North America until well after 1700! Don't know if this was because the Russians were repelled or because I expanded aggressive into North America or what but it was very strange.
In the game I played the hardest thing for me to do was get 5 Europeans to enslave! I felt like I took about 10 actually but I wonder if this is because there is some hidden rule about enslaving 5 within a certain time period because I know I did well more than 5 when they finally announced my UHV victory.
Aztecs are a great civ though!
India, one of the hardest? I've found them one of the easiest. It does get tight sometimes, especially with founding religions, but other than that it's pretty easy. Just make sure you keep a strong defensive army in the west, plan your city placement VERY carefully--the AI tends to do it badly with India--and you won't have anything to worry about.
I am convinced Rome is impossible to get. Nobody, as far as I know, has done it without cheating.
America is next to impossible, but I managed to do it once only by turning America into a war-machine fascist monster. The world hated me!
I am convinced Rome is impossible to get. Nobody, as far as I know, has done it without cheating.
America is next to impossible, but I managed to do it once only by turning America into a war-machine fascist monster. The world hated me!
I haven't played it for quite a long time but before (every time after changing "Empire" into "Western Empire" goal) it was easy for me.
Corm
Prince
Yup I can do Romes on most occasions too. Read my notes above. You could always try using the guide in the Wiki too which is different from my tactics but also works well.
explorer2
Chieftain
Kindly meant Suggestion:
Rhye: for the BTS version, I hope you can somehow be more specific about any geographical territories needed to be conquered in UHVs.
I've started my first game, hugely excited about playing Rome for UHV. (Warlords, v1.475, Monarch). I have a fair grasp of history (for an American) and assumed I needed to get England, Spain, France, Low Countries, ALL of North Africa (including Egypt), all of Greece, much of current Eastern Europe, all of modern Turkey and parts of Iraq, Armenia and Eastern coast of Mediterranean, since this was all Roman territory at its height.
About half way through I saw this was going to be impossible.
Reading through this thread, I found my way to
http://zepto-angstrom.co.uk/scrap/rfcmap/index.html
and OH WHAT a SURPRISE to see only England, France, Spain, and Carthage area needed.
Checking back more carefully I see you did state Western Roman Empire, and imply (but not entirely clearly) Western empire IN 450 A.D.
Yes, it was my carelessness, but if somehow you could give the specifics in the text of the conditions I think a lot of people would benefit. I'm probably not the only one who didn't catch that, and there's a lot of people (at least in USA) who are pretty ignorant of "ancient" history and they would have NO clue about what all territories are intended.
And I know you know this, but this is truly an incredible gift you have given us. Hope you're getting well paid for its making it to BTS version.
Rhye: for the BTS version, I hope you can somehow be more specific about any geographical territories needed to be conquered in UHVs.
I've started my first game, hugely excited about playing Rome for UHV. (Warlords, v1.475, Monarch). I have a fair grasp of history (for an American) and assumed I needed to get England, Spain, France, Low Countries, ALL of North Africa (including Egypt), all of Greece, much of current Eastern Europe, all of modern Turkey and parts of Iraq, Armenia and Eastern coast of Mediterranean, since this was all Roman territory at its height.
About half way through I saw this was going to be impossible.
Reading through this thread, I found my way to
http://zepto-angstrom.co.uk/scrap/rfcmap/index.html
and OH WHAT a SURPRISE to see only England, France, Spain, and Carthage area needed.
Checking back more carefully I see you did state Western Roman Empire, and imply (but not entirely clearly) Western empire IN 450 A.D.
Yes, it was my carelessness, but if somehow you could give the specifics in the text of the conditions I think a lot of people would benefit. I'm probably not the only one who didn't catch that, and there's a lot of people (at least in USA) who are pretty ignorant of "ancient" history and they would have NO clue about what all territories are intended.
And I know you know this, but this is truly an incredible gift you have given us. Hope you're getting well paid for its making it to BTS version.
An Idea on Historical area's.
When you start a new game and are looking at the different civs - before making your choice. Instead of showing a leader head - which will appear in the game anyway. Why not display for each civ when selected, a rough map showing how far they expanded historically.
This will be a help to those players who do not have the necessary historical knowledge of those civs.
It does not have to be detailed, just a rough historical guide.
It will not of course show spoiler info about non-historical areas they can expand into in the game, without suffering a penalty. (assuming there are any.).
The "Times Atlas Of World History" has most of this information, assuming it is still in print. My copy is 25 years old. UGG.
Just a thought.
When you start a new game and are looking at the different civs - before making your choice. Instead of showing a leader head - which will appear in the game anyway. Why not display for each civ when selected, a rough map showing how far they expanded historically.
This will be a help to those players who do not have the necessary historical knowledge of those civs.
It does not have to be detailed, just a rough historical guide.
It will not of course show spoiler info about non-historical areas they can expand into in the game, without suffering a penalty. (assuming there are any.).
The "Times Atlas Of World History" has most of this information, assuming it is still in print. My copy is 25 years old. UGG.
Just a thought.
the civ selection screen is hardcoded
I have vanalla and have been playing since 1.60 on viceroy always going for uhv.
Been playing down the list for each civ and getting the uhv for each and patching as they came out. Got to Incas and found them very difficult.
Therefore i decided to restart each one of them with the current patch.
Egypt:Easy, used the great artist
India:After Ryne fixed them i was able to do them with a OCC they are one of the few you can do with a OCC
China:Easy, although my units were warriors
Greece:Easy
Persia:Can get the 8% without too much trouble (great artist in a city i found in the middle of africa) the trouble was getting the 2 shrines and the 7 wonders. The trick is to take india early and build the shrines youself.
Rome:Easy but i used the whip
Japan:Easy never left the island
Arabia:Funnest game, conquered Persia, India, Egypt, Greece, Rome, half of France and Spain on the last turn. Got the golden age before my empire collapsed. Took the rest of France and started going after Russia when my golden age ended and my empire collapsed. Islam is at 30%, doesn't matter if my empire collapsed. Built a boat and started conquering barbarian cities on the coast of africa and asia. Right as Incas and Actecs span i have missionarys waiting for them off the coast. Gift them a tech, open boarders and they are islam. Same with America and got %40.
Spain:Conquered France and England, no colony threat. Conquered Incas and Actecs as well.
France:Currently up to
Haven't got to Incas yet but I hope they will be a little easier by the time i get there.
This is my favorite mod and the main reason for getting BTS.
Thank Ryne
Been playing down the list for each civ and getting the uhv for each and patching as they came out. Got to Incas and found them very difficult.
Therefore i decided to restart each one of them with the current patch.
Egypt:Easy, used the great artist
India:After Ryne fixed them i was able to do them with a OCC they are one of the few you can do with a OCC
China:Easy, although my units were warriors
Greece:Easy
Persia:Can get the 8% without too much trouble (great artist in a city i found in the middle of africa) the trouble was getting the 2 shrines and the 7 wonders. The trick is to take india early and build the shrines youself.
Rome:Easy but i used the whip
Japan:Easy never left the island
Arabia:Funnest game, conquered Persia, India, Egypt, Greece, Rome, half of France and Spain on the last turn. Got the golden age before my empire collapsed. Took the rest of France and started going after Russia when my golden age ended and my empire collapsed. Islam is at 30%, doesn't matter if my empire collapsed. Built a boat and started conquering barbarian cities on the coast of africa and asia. Right as Incas and Actecs span i have missionarys waiting for them off the coast. Gift them a tech, open boarders and they are islam. Same with America and got %40.
Spain:Conquered France and England, no colony threat. Conquered Incas and Actecs as well.
France:Currently up to
Haven't got to Incas yet but I hope they will be a little easier by the time i get there.
This is my favorite mod and the main reason for getting BTS.
Thank Ryne
