The worlds two largest EVER empires not in game??

[mv10]

The worst part of it is, England basically gave nothing culturally to Great Britain, or the world.

In the words of the Holy Mary... "Come again?"

 

[SlothMD]

The British empire is the largest ever empire the world has seen and not in game( and I don't think including the English empire will keep all Scots happy). Secondly the Mongol empire was the largest land based empire ever and not included. But the real kill is that America is in ther correct me if I'm wrong but what empire has America ever had? Does Hawaii and Alaska count as an empire?

6/10

I thought it was weak, but you got some bites.

 

[bhavv]

The worst part of it is, England basically gave nothing culturally to Great Britain, or the world.

No?

 

[SlothMD]

You could say that their form of warfare had a impact in a scientific way if you see Warfare as a science or Culturally if you see Warfare as an art.

Jus sayin...

Except that apparently nobody actually learned from them - their method of fluid warfare across great distances wouldn't be replicated for centuries.

OTOH, one could argue that the Mongols of the Golden Horde were an anti-civilization, since they did not build cities (the root word of civilization) but rather tore them down. As such, they are already represented in the game - they're the people who pop out of the Barbarian strongholds.

 

[Barking Iguana]

So far, every civ game had America, Aztecs, England(!), France, Germany, Russia, Rome, Greece, Egypt, Persia, India, China and Japan in its vanilla version, if I'm not mistaken, always under this names, other civs to follow in expansions. (and except for the HRE, I could live with all of them)

The original had Babylon, not Perisa, and had no Japan.

 

[uat2d]

No?

And Portugal is still out.

The UK in the game can be represented by England, and in Civ5, there's neither Portugal nor Spain, and both of these ruled the world in the XVI century. Not to mention everything else.

 

[Me,myself,and,I]

Because Whales and Scotland were always right on up there with the united kingdom thing.

Nor is an area made up of ~40 provinces, at least as big as a Euro country, an empire.

 

[IndustrialG]

The British empire is the largest ever empire the world has seen and not in game( and I don't think including the English empire will keep all Scots happy). Secondly the Mongol empire was the largest land based empire ever and not included. But the real kill is that America is in ther correct me if I'm wrong but what empire has America ever had? Does Hawaii and Alaska count as an empire?

Well there's West German occupation, Cuba, Phililippines, Panama Canal, and Puerto Rico. If you count the numerous territories that now the lower 48 States: Louisana Purchase, Texas Annexation, Gadsden Purchase, Mexican Cession and Orgeon Territory. Manifest Destiny was something, eh? Now we're an Empire of military bases.

 

[kettyo]

Except that apparently nobody actually learned from them - their method of fluid warfare across great distances wouldn't be replicated for centuries.

OTOH, one could argue that the Mongols of the Golden Horde were an anti-civilization, since they did not build cities (the root word of civilization) but rather tore them down. As such, they are already represented in the game - they're the people who pop out of the Barbarian strongholds.

Preferred not to tear them down but rather to force them to pay tribute. When the civs refused then they rather killed everybody and made sexual slaves out of the best women (allegedly Genghis always having the right for the first run on them ) to strike fear on other peoples and make them easier to be convinced to pay tribute.

Not anti-civ, nomadic. Nomadic is not derogatory. Barbarian is to some extent (though it just means foreigner in ancient greek IIRC)

 

[Jimbo30]

Scotland was absorbed into England with the treaty of union, not the other way around. The parliament of GB was founded in London, not Edinburgh. Your head of state right now is the Queen of England. You pay taxes to the UK, which is dominated by England. The pinnacle of your court system is the Supreme Court of the UK, which is dominated by England. The Scottish National Party has been lobbying for independence since WWII.

Yes, we understand that you are highly nationalistic, but stop deluding yourself. Scotland is no more of a sovereign nation than the state of Texas is.

You are really full of lol.

You got our king to start it all, how many Prime Ministers have been Scots? It's almost 1 in 3, with a population at 1 in 10. Your English Queen probably has more Scottish blood in her than English, though that wouldn't be hard as most English are basically Germans anyway.

Just face up to, the only reason Britain was ever Great was because the Scots made England better than they'd ever have managed on their own. You've got no culture, no respect, and since the Empire died off you're left as a pitiful little country on a tiny island you never, ever, managed to dominate.

 

[Jimbo30]

In the words of the Holy Mary... "Come again?"

Feel free to tell us differently. I don't see any great English culture anywhere, show me what I'm missing?

 

[Shackel]

Don't worry! All of these civilizations will appear in a DLC/expansion pack for 39.99!

Preorder now and get [insert civilization that was in multiple Civs]!

 

[rujikin]

America isn't an empire?

As an American, I take insult to that statement.

If anyone doesn't think we are an empire just write down your country name and we will be over there in 3-4 weeks.

We should rename the english empire as "The tea drinking drive by argument mafia"

 

[crag]

The British empire is the largest ever empire the world has seen and not in game( and I don't think including the English empire will keep all Scots happy). Secondly the Mongol empire was the largest land based empire ever and not included. But the real kill is that America is in ther correct me if I'm wrong but what empire has America ever had? Does Hawaii and Alaska count as an empire?

Well technically, the American Empire is everywhere - the whole of the western world. It's not really American, but Western.

Of course China is well on it's way to be just like us; fat, consumers of everything, and polluters.

If you look at history America has had a huge impact on the world. But so did the Mongols, Spain, Babylon - all missing from my game.

Of course all will be available for download.. as long as you pay.

 

[crag]

Also religion. Now I agree it was OP in Civ4. But to ignore it completely? And include civilizations that based their whole society on it? Like Egypt, Arabia, France?

Now it can be argued this is a game and not a simulator.. but they sure as hell are selling it as a historical simulator.

Also a side note.. I didn't know sheep grazed on desert dunes? In my world they do.

 

[awesome]

No it isn't...

It's due to the fact that around the world Britain is often confused with England. And listening to some of the videos and commentaries recently from the folk who have created Civ it would seem that they don't seem to know much about history.

kind of like how all americans are called "yanks."

 

[Smidgey]

Scotland was absorbed into England with the treaty of union, not the other way around.

As someone who has a degree in Scots law and had to study Scottish Constitutional Law to get it I can firmly tell you that this is not the case. The Treaty of Union created a situation where the Kingdom of England and the Kingdom of Scotland ceased to exist as legal entities. The fact that England is the larger nation has absolutely nothing to do with the constitutional reality. Currently, the situation has of course changed. Scotland is a legally recognised entity - England is not. This is a poor situation and should certainly be changed, but that is the current state of things, whether we like it or not.

The parliament of GB was founded in London, not Edinburgh.

Which would make sense, since it is where the monarch has his/her official residence, it is the largest city and is the main economic center of the UK.

Your head of state right now is the Queen of England.

There is no such legal entity as 'Queen of England'. There has been no such entity since the Treaty of Union changed Queen Anne's title. Queen Anne, of course, was also Queen of Scotland - this title, too, was discontinued.

You pay taxes to the UK, which is dominated by England.

I pay taxes in an area of the UK (Edinburgh), which pays more than it gets back because it has less need of high public spending because of its wealth. London is also in this situation. Is it then correct to say that London has been subsumed by Bradford, Leeds or Newcastle because a lot of the revenue it generates goes there?

The pinnacle of your court system is the Supreme Court of the UK, which is dominated by England.

Firstly, any English case that goes before the Supreme Court of the UK is not binding on Scots law. It is treated exactly the same as a Canadian, American, Australian or any other common law case would be - merely as being persuasive, but not setting precedent.

Secondly, very few Scottish civil cases go above the inner house of the Court of Session.

Thirdly, strictly speaking, the constitution of Scotland (you must remember that the 1707 Act permitted Scots law to remain, which means that Scots constitutional law also remains, whilst there is no such thing as English constitutional law) places the court of session as the highest civil court in Scotland and it does not need to follow dicta of the Supreme Court of the UK (formerly House of Lords) if it ultimately choses not to. This has only ever happened once in the 303 years of union, but the precedent is there.

The Scottish National Party has been lobbying for independence since WWII.

This has nothing to do with anything. The SNP are not Scotland and Scotland is not the SNP.

Yes, we understand that you are highly nationalistic, but stop deluding yourself. Scotland is no more of a sovereign nation than the state of Texas is.

And England, sadly, is even less so, as it is not a legally recognised entity like Scotland and Texas are...

 

[Smidgey]

You are really full of lol.

You got our king to start it all, how many Prime Ministers have been Scots? It's almost 1 in 3, with a population at 1 in 10. Your English Queen probably has more Scottish blood in her than English, though that wouldn't be hard as most English are basically Germans anyway.

Just face up to, the only reason Britain was ever Great was because the Scots made England better than they'd ever have managed on their own. You've got no culture, no respect, and since the Empire died off you're left as a pitiful little country on a tiny island you never, ever, managed to dominate.

How about you stop this jingoistic nonsense and deal with actual facts? England is a great and ancient nation and should be treated as such.

Perhaps it would be better to explain the strengths of Scotland than attack made-up weaknesses of England? It just reduces you to the level of those who you are replying to.

 

[Smidgey]

Firstly it wasn't absorbed into England, that notion is ridiculous. Secondly... if you're calling her the Queen of England (hint: look into her title and family history, it's not hard to see why QoE is an inappropriate title) then your points are pretty much invalid but I'll continue. Thirdly, because the UK is dominated by England (it ought to be given the demographics) doesn't really imply England rules Scotland. Fourthly, the UK Supreme Court was established in October 2009 and it's rather hard to see how a legal court is dominated by anything that would influence rulings (before 2009 the Scottish courts were the highest authority on Scots law). Scotland and England are the de jure equivalent of states in the UK, neither is sovereign. Only the UK is sovereign.

There might be a few exceptions to the general rule that parliament is sovereign, which apparently is the main constitutional foundation of the United Kingdom.

Not withstanding the apparent supremacy of EU law there is also two other factors to take into account.

Firstly, the UK parliament was not born unfree, it was created by the acts of union. Therefore, if the acts of union were abolished, legally speaking the parliament would no longer have authority to do what it does. So technically it is not absolutely sovereign.

Secondly, the Treaty of Union preserved Scots law, which must therefore include Scots constititional law. Scottish courts have the ability to strike down an act of parliament. Something that has not happened to date since 1707, but the ability is still there. The principle of this has actually been updated as recently as the last decade by the likes of Lord Gill, and in the early 20th century by Lord Dunedin - so it is not an anachronism.

 

[Shackel]

To those who say America is not an empire:

Look at Europe.

Now look at America.

Look at Europe.

Now look at America.

It's on a horse.
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Really, though, it's actually larger than Europe, and had a MUCH larger influence on Modern Europe than Europe had on Modern America