The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race
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MCdread said:
But I'd say that the people in our world who live worse than hunter-gatherers are a small minority, percentage wise.
I've been to dirt-poor regions, like the Sertão of the brazilian Northeast or, even worse, El Chaco of Paraguay. While most people in those places live in sorry conditions, it cannot be compared to those of stone-age hunter-gatherers. At least they live untill their early 60's, and most of their kids survive.
The people who do live worse do so for causes other then agriculture(like Civil Wars in Africa, etc).
blackheart
unenlightened
The worst mistake? Splitting into different cultures.
Kafka2 said:
Of course I can't speak for everyone, but I sure am happier this way.
As a side note, all indian tribes of Brazil that get in touch with western culture immediatly abandons their hunter-gatherer life-styles and embrace modernity. So they think they'll be happier this way.
Romanfe
Punch out
Wow, good for you. What you call paleodiet, everyone else calls Atkins.Inhalaattori said:
Yes, how many computer nerds do you know who would be able to be a hunter gatherer?
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Plotinus said:
I think I can explain B
(b) Human body requires the amino group from proteins. One cannot obtain the amino group from starch. Some plants, like wheat, have little proteins but mostly starch People who consume majority starch and no proteins will have problems producing proteins, which are the necessary part of a human body. Organs such as muscles are made of proteins.
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Eran of Arcadia said:
According his view, humans are better off with no kid, so they don't have to support a family. I am sure that there were hunter-gatherers back then who have no kids, they were wiped out by the evolution. They went extinct.
It's not about health, nutrition or life expectancy. Its about having tons and tons kid therefore become the fittest in nature. One cannot hunt nearly enough to feed 7 to 8 children.
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Kafka2 said:
Happier?? Probably not.
It's good to live in the bliss of ignorance caring only about the next meal.
Then again, the trade off is that one won't live long enough to experience the entire world. One doesn't have the burden of knowledge. One won't know that there are better lives out there.
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Certainly you need *some* protein, for this reason. You couldn't live solely off wheat any more than you could solely off meat. But you don't need vast amounts of protein. A balanced diet should contain a lot more starch than protein, and starchy foods can also contribute towards your protein intake if you mix them with things like pulses - most grains and pulses do not contain full proteins (quinoa is an exception) but they contain different amino acids, so you can mix them to get the full amount. Of course it's easier to eat meat, which is made of full protein. But the moden Western diet contains easily enough protein, and in the case of most non-vegetarians, too much. If the hunter-gatherer diet was healthier than a modern Western diet, it certainly wasn't because it contained proportionally more protein.
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Hunter-gatherers did not have too much protein. I seriously doubt that they could eat meat everyday. They'd probably eat wild grains and fruits too. They only had adequate amount of proteins in comparison to the first farmers. Then, the first farmers did no grow vast amount of different vegetations nor do they domesticated animals. Both had not been discovered yet. They would have to rely on one or two major plants as the primary source of food. Since they spent all day on farming, they wouldn't have the time to go looking/hunting for other fruits and vegetables. That would explain why the hunter-gatherers have better health. Yeah, you are right about the types of amino-acid contributing to the health. The first farmers rely on a certain plant that doesn't have all the essential amino acids. As the result, they have malnutrition. However, human can synthesize the nonessential amino acids if they are provided with any amino acid. One has to have enough protein everyday. According studies, a 70-kg man needs a minimum of 20 grams of protein. A slice of bread has 2.3 grams of proteins. It will take 9 slices of bread to achieve it. On the other hand, it takes 1 or 2 serving of beef to achieve the same among. When there is meat, the hunter-gatherers would finish the entire animal because there is no refrigeration. If that is the case, they should have more than enough proteins for muscle growing. The farmers would not have enough proteins for that. The hunter-gatherers would have a better chance of getting proteins quantitatively and qualitative. They should be healthier.
Finally, I think the distinction between Hunter-gatherers and farmers are not as strict as described by the original author of the webpage. It can be mixed. For example, in a tribe, men went out to hunt; women were left in the village to farm. The author over-simplifies things to begin with.
Finally, I think the distinction between Hunter-gatherers and farmers are not as strict as described by the original author of the webpage. It can be mixed. For example, in a tribe, men went out to hunt; women were left in the village to farm. The author over-simplifies things to begin with.
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Kafka2 said:
Yes but they also have the health problems associated with an all meat diet.
High colestrol, Heart problems and early death.
Inhalaattori
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All this after they started to eat "western food" - not before. Eating lots of meet does not cause "High colestrol, Heart problems and early death".
Inhalaattori
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Overpopulation is not good thing. And you dont really need that much dentistry if you are eating like hunter gatherers did. They didnt eat sugar, wheat and other stuff that causes caries...
What are you talking about? People didnt die that young. Low average age is becouse of high infant mortality. BTW average age was much lower among first farmers than hunter gatherers.
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