Thought's on the Kashmir conflict

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I heard on the news today that both India and Pakistan are mobilizing their troops in Kashmir.I don't know,but i guess this is really a risky situation now the Western Coalition is engaged in Afhanistan.I hope this situation (in Kashmir) won't lead to a full out war between India and Pakistan. (who are both nuclear powers)

Wjhat do you guys think ,could a conflict in Pakistan really **** up the now already ****ed up situation we 're in?
 
And the US is stuck right in the middle. From one side Bin Laden is fighting against India, so they should support them. But on the other side there's Pakistan, which is almost a necessity for the US if they wanna find Bin Laden...
Actually I really don't know a lot about it... Who originaly got Kashmir?
 
I think they should settle it with a contest of the prowess of their troops. Most of the action has been on a smurfing glacier. Ecah side should get 1000 of its sturdiest soldier to stripped and sit bare assed on the glacier. The last side with 100 guys (alive) still sitting bare assed on the glacier wins.
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You know what I think about Kashmir?


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WHY ARE PEOPLE SO BLOODY STUPID?????
 
is the land really that important? i know that it would be a disgrace for either one to give it up, but is it really worth going to war over?
 
A bit of history here. Kashmir is a Muslim-majority state but with a Hindu maharajah. At independence the maharajah bestowed the state to India but Pakistan contested that. And hence it has ever been. India and Pakistan had fought a couple of wars over it. It is one of those intractable situations much like in the same category as the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
For India, they couldn't give it up cos it would set an example and might lead to the dissolution of the Indian state. Cos even now some states within the Indian union are fighting to be independent (like some of the tribes in Assam in the northeast). India is a large country with a very diverse population.
For Pakistan the main theme of their state is an Islamic India. They had lost East Pakistan (Bangladesh) in a civil war with India coming to the aid of the Bangladeshi rebels. Hence they hanged on all the more to Kashmir (or at least root for an independent Kashmir). At the very least, it would weaken their archenemy, India.
 
Kashmir is worth it...

My Aunt & Uncle & cousin living in Delhi often go to Kashmir. They go because it is the tourist spot of india. Americans go to warm places because most live in cold places. Most indians live in warm places so they like to visit cool Kashmir.

Ever here of Cashmere (is that how you spell it) sweaters?

The goats originated from Kashmir and Tibet. Those goats descendents all over Asia make the wool that cashmere is made out of. However an actual Kashmiri Cashmere is worth tons.


The less countries that there are in South Asia the better off the world is. If India splits and continues to split it could get ugly. It would be divided into a hodgepodge of linguistic, religious, and economic little nations. It would make easy grounds for Nuke buying, by wealthy oil sheiks who want to give Osama a birthday present.

In any case if it becomes a full-dress shooting war, it would get messy.

Pakistan is a traditional US ally, but Clinton was wise enough to realize that India was more important to the US: it serves as a counterweight against China, and Islamic extremism, and it has a far larger market for buying US goods.

So the US would probably sit on the sidelines. If this overthrews the Pakistani government and a TALIBAN like regime is placed than informal help from Arabs would try to balance the fact that India's military power from the sea and the air is likely stronger than all of Pakistans.

India has more troops, ships, ammunition, tanks, planes, and technology; it would be a slaughter. Last time there was a war Indian troops took a quarter of Pakistan before it's march to the major cities was slowed. In fact Indian troops this time might as well take Islamabad, then Peshawar, the Kandahar, and culminate victory over both Pakistan and Afghanistan by taking Kabul. Then it can set up friendly democratic regimes backed by the world's money and Indian troops.

This however is unlikely. There won't be a war but the US will get the two sides to meet, and they will adjust the map a tiny bit.
 
I guarantee that right now the US and British embassadors to both countries are difusing the situation as best they can.

Maybe it will take some 'economic aid', but I think war can be avoided.
 
joespaniel - I'm not so sure it'll help. I think it's more likely to make both countries mad at the US. If two countries are so angry about each other that they wanna go to war, you'll need to put on both countries such pressure that they'll hate you for years after. And a country that hates you is a country that won't let you use it's airspace. I just hope won't put sanctions on India only, or the US will become a part of this conflict.
 
The US just lifted all sanctions against both in exchange for cooperation. I hate to say it, but, were not going to let them f*ck up our war. I'm sure of it.

A war between India and Pakistan at any time would be really bad. These are poor countries, with alot of hatred for each other, and both have demonstrated working atomic weapons. If either side started losing badly, (my moneys on India winning) nuclear war could break out.

I wager the US is willing to 'bruise' some feelings right now to prevent a war over Kashmir.
 
Due to the recent evolution's in the conflict ,i returned this topic to the top.

Seeing what is happening there ,what do you guys think?Is this conflict escalating to a fairly dangerous level ,or is there nothing to worry?
What to you think of China's support to Pakistan?
What do you think of India's demand's for terrorist handover's?
What do you think will be the consequences for the American action's in the region.(withe OBL maybe hiding in Pakistan)
 
I think that the Indians and Pakistanis are gonna do the same thing they have been doing for a long time.

Saber Rattling, and skirmishing...

India and Pakistan have worked hard for acceptance into the world forum... They aren't gonna blow that.
 
Sabre-rattling would be nice, since the situation seems like lunacy to me. But I have to offer the advice of a - beleive it or not - cab driver from India who took me home yesterday, who was listening to some BBC broadcast in an obscure Indian dialect. He insisted that India was going to kick Pakistan's ass, and that anything nice coming out of India was just a ruse; "all Indians" knew that it would take a week or two to mobilize properly for the attack.

Whaddaya do?

In a sad way, its reassuring to learn that jingoism is hardly exclusive to white europeans. We're all part of one lunatic family after all.

R.III
 
Regardless of what happens the US and the rest of the world need to deal with this situation with a firm eye on what has happened between Israel and the Arab states. The are too many similarities not to remember that terrorist organizations have grown up that hate America as much as they hate Israel. In the future WMD will be more prevelant and available, and both states already posses nuclear technology.

If the sides want peace and need an international mediator, it doesn't have to be the US. England, Belgium, or Finnland could mediate the situation, and likely do it without the precieved bias that the US would be seen to have.

If on the other hand the sides don't want peace, America will only gain more enemies if we force it on them.

On the third hand (I have one, don't you?) If the US backs off and lets them settle their own problem and they go to war, the world will blame the US for not stepping in and stopping things.

What's a nation to do?
 
:cry: The thing about KASHMIR is that you hear absolutley nothing from the people living there. I'm sure they would have very relevent opinions.

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