Sarevok
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I agree with thart Idea.
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GeneralMeng
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those are good ideas but i don't know how to make a new tech tree, and the rest will be no problem
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
its not too difficlut.
GeneralMeng
Warlord
yes, it may be easy for you, that is because you know how to do it already. but I don't. if you offer to help me learn how to make a tech tree, it will speed up the time on my next three kingdom project, because i don't have that much time right now. all of my test and excam is coming up.
96nn
Warlord
I don't think this is a problem. Because the many barbarians will destroy the Jin dynasty soon.
Though the Jin Empire reunified China, it existed for only 20 years. Then the civil war of eight kings broke out.The defence of Empire collapsed and the barbarians came in.
Like Rome, from Han to Wei and Jin, the Empire of China allowed the immigration of the nomads, to be mercenary armies and labors. So the barbarians got across the Great Wall without a fight. And they eventually destroyed the foolish host.
The era after 303 is called "Five kinds of barbarians ravaged China" in Cinese history records. "Five Kinds of Barbarian" means Xiongnu(Hun), Jie(raletive of Xiongnu), Xianbei(one of the raletives of Mongols), Di and Qiang(however one of the nationality in modern China). Actually there were some other nations nibbling the territory of China Empire. They were ChiLe(perhaps the ancestor of Turks, Uyguran and Kirghizan), Rouran(§¡§Ó§Ñ§â§è§í, sorry I don't know how to call it in English, relative of Xianbei), Gaogouli(Koguryo, one of the ancestors of Korean), etc. And many barbarian even captured whole the northChina.
Even in the era of three kingdoms, there offen were some conflicts between they and Chinese kingdoms. For example, the war between Wuhuan(also one of the relatives of Mongols)and Caocao, the War between southern barbarians and Kongming, and so on.
So I mean the barbarians are very important.
96nn
Warlord
I have enjoyed this map. And I found some mistakes.
1.Some cities: Shanghai, Qingdao, Tianjin, Andong, Baotou, Lanzhou, Hami, Xining, Anqing, Wuhan, Macao, Nanning, Chongqing, Zhanjiang, Jilin, Saigon, Osaka, Tokyo,(etc, because I don't know the corresponding Chinese names of some cities)had not actual being in that year.
2.Some cities' names should be modified: Beijing-Ji, Nankin-Jianye(capital of Wu), Guangzhou-Nanhai, Hanoi-Jiaozhi.
3.There are problems about the territory. The Taiwan island and Hainan island had not be controlled by governments of any Chinese kingdoms, and there is no city on them. NorthVietnam is one part of China in those years. It was ruled by Wu. Some southern areas: Guangdong, Guangxi and Southeast Asia had not been so flourishing. There is not so many states there. And the cities in these area was actually very small and unenlightened.
4.Moreover, in the 3rd century, the Islam had not appeared. No Moghols, no Muslim Malay Princes. And... why were the Europeans here? It... it must be a fun. Expect the Roman emissaries, Europeans came here only after the end of 15th century. For Japanese, a majority of them were even under the uncivilized condition. Only Yamato and other several states were enlightened, but they are all feeble very much.
But I think, though there are these mistakes, this map is ok. Don't be depressed for them. I am sure you can mend it and make it more perfect.
1.Some cities: Shanghai, Qingdao, Tianjin, Andong, Baotou, Lanzhou, Hami, Xining, Anqing, Wuhan, Macao, Nanning, Chongqing, Zhanjiang, Jilin, Saigon, Osaka, Tokyo,(etc, because I don't know the corresponding Chinese names of some cities)had not actual being in that year.
2.Some cities' names should be modified: Beijing-Ji, Nankin-Jianye(capital of Wu), Guangzhou-Nanhai, Hanoi-Jiaozhi.
3.There are problems about the territory. The Taiwan island and Hainan island had not be controlled by governments of any Chinese kingdoms, and there is no city on them. NorthVietnam is one part of China in those years. It was ruled by Wu. Some southern areas: Guangdong, Guangxi and Southeast Asia had not been so flourishing. There is not so many states there. And the cities in these area was actually very small and unenlightened.
4.Moreover, in the 3rd century, the Islam had not appeared. No Moghols, no Muslim Malay Princes. And... why were the Europeans here? It... it must be a fun. Expect the Roman emissaries, Europeans came here only after the end of 15th century. For Japanese, a majority of them were even under the uncivilized condition. Only Yamato and other several states were enlightened, but they are all feeble very much.
But I think, though there are these mistakes, this map is ok.
Don't be depressed for them. I am sure you can mend it and make it more perfect.GeneralZhouYu
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Originally posted by 96nn
I have enjoyed this map. And I found some mistakes.
3.There are problems about the territory. The Taiwan island and Hainan island had not be controlled by governments of any Chinese kingdoms, and there is no city on them.
But I think, though there are these mistakes, this map is ok.
Actually, the inhabitants of Taiwan were originally descendants of the Wu people. I know someone, who is married to someone who was from Taiwan, who can trace her lineage all the way back to Zhou Gongjin(maybe further.. I dunno).
96nn
Warlord
Sure.
There were certainly many intercourses between the two sides. In Han and the era of three kingdoms, Taiwan was called Yingzhou by Chinese. Frequent trades have appeared between continental Chinese and Taiwanese native. And lots of people emigrated to Taiwan(form Wu mostly). But these exchanges were all civilian activities.
For the Wu's government, there was only one important thing: in 230, a fleet leading by general WeiWen and ZhugeZhi came to Taiwan and brought many natives back(then after emigrations, immagrations was being), in order to increase Wu's population(so you can see, Taiwan had not been a real territory of Wu). In fact, there was neither office nor official of Chinese kingdom's governments on the island. It was even a remote and half-enlightened area in that year. And Hainan island was under the same status.
Though many continentals had emigrated there, Hainan island was effectually controlled by the government of China Empire after Song dynasty(built in 10th century). Taiwan island after Yuan dynasty(Mongols, 13th-14th century) and Ming dynasty(built in 14th century).
There were certainly many intercourses between the two sides. In Han and the era of three kingdoms, Taiwan was called Yingzhou by Chinese. Frequent trades have appeared between continental Chinese and Taiwanese native. And lots of people emigrated to Taiwan(form Wu mostly). But these exchanges were all civilian activities.
For the Wu's government, there was only one important thing: in 230, a fleet leading by general WeiWen and ZhugeZhi came to Taiwan and brought many natives back(then after emigrations, immagrations was being), in order to increase Wu's population(so you can see, Taiwan had not been a real territory of Wu). In fact, there was neither office nor official of Chinese kingdom's governments on the island. It was even a remote and half-enlightened area in that year. And Hainan island was under the same status.
Though many continentals had emigrated there, Hainan island was effectually controlled by the government of China Empire after Song dynasty(built in 10th century). Taiwan island after Yuan dynasty(Mongols, 13th-14th century) and Ming dynasty(built in 14th century).
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