TJS1 -- Going on the Pill-age
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Elephantium
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Well, indeed...-- But come on, they didn't take 700 years...
Robbus, don't worry about the time. Some turn sets go quickly, others don't. Better to play at a comfortable pace than to rush through the set and miss bunch of things (oops, I didn't deal with the landing last turn, now our capital belongs to the Aztecs!).
robbus
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here is alink for turn by turn screenies and game saves
https://1fichier.com/?fksda8xauc
pw: ragnar
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I am still working on my turnset diary but it took me one hour for 2 turns so it might be awhile!
The executive summary is that I initially retreated from Novgorod because we had some damaged units there. I healed them while waiting for reinforcements. I mobilized knights mainly for defence. Somewhere along the way spearman joined defence. All available workers were mobilized to irrigate then mine Stavanger hills. I rush a granary in Stav for 136 g which is probably a waste.
I negotiated RoP with dutch and Dow by Dutch against Russia for silks and some cash (16gpt?) after our trade agreement lapsed in 260 or 270ad.
Down south Aztecs landed 1 then 2 units near yekta which were defeated by horsemen from the north. The Aztecs continue to send galleys towards us and have unloaded troops. The galley that I let slip by which is now south of tromso has not landed troops so might have something on board. I have workers chopping around reyk one of which should have been roading towards tromso.
Up north I reinforced horsemen, beat back a archer/maceman counterattack (with some loss of life...) and assaulted Novgorod capturing a bunch of workers. Through bad moves I managed to let 3 escape and delay access to iron for a turn probably.
By this time Stavanger is at full capacity and I am roading hills to Novgorod iron. Other cities are being worker expanded and Lux slider is inching upwards to counteract WW.
The oslo/yekta worker factories are MM to continue 2works/2turns.
Birka starts producing 'zerks but I shoulda' produced a harbor there earlier for food. ( I am seeing how rax/harbor interplay is and the importance of food).
The west was lost on me . I had no strategic vision there and other than moving a city (which was completely coached by the team!), I really had no idea about micromanagement there.
For the future my plan would be to upgrade horses to knights with Iron and cash. Load up our galleys with zerks and go after arabia
Overall I think I gained a new appreciation for empire management and learned from my mistakes.
I think my mistakes (not exploring arabia, building gran in Stav, workers/slaves lost due to indecision and inattentiveness) cost President Ragnar of the Viking republic at least 2 turns of progress overall. Given that we are depending on Berzerkers which will be up against a stiff challenge from musket men and given that one civ has Knights Templar there are still challenges ahead.
I am not ready for Sid level just yet!
I welcome any further critiques you may have based on my saves .
https://1fichier.com/?fksda8xauc
pw: ragnar
scroll to bottom of page and click on large orange box that says :"acceder au telechargement" for free download.
Download and "un" rar (unrar) the WinRAR file. WinRAR is free http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
I am still working on my turnset diary but it took me one hour for 2 turns so it might be awhile!
The executive summary is that I initially retreated from Novgorod because we had some damaged units there. I healed them while waiting for reinforcements. I mobilized knights mainly for defence. Somewhere along the way spearman joined defence. All available workers were mobilized to irrigate then mine Stavanger hills. I rush a granary in Stav for 136 g which is probably a waste.
I negotiated RoP with dutch and Dow by Dutch against Russia for silks and some cash (16gpt?) after our trade agreement lapsed in 260 or 270ad.
Down south Aztecs landed 1 then 2 units near yekta which were defeated by horsemen from the north. The Aztecs continue to send galleys towards us and have unloaded troops. The galley that I let slip by which is now south of tromso has not landed troops so might have something on board. I have workers chopping around reyk one of which should have been roading towards tromso.
Up north I reinforced horsemen, beat back a archer/maceman counterattack (with some loss of life...) and assaulted Novgorod capturing a bunch of workers. Through bad moves I managed to let 3 escape and delay access to iron for a turn probably.
By this time Stavanger is at full capacity and I am roading hills to Novgorod iron. Other cities are being worker expanded and Lux slider is inching upwards to counteract WW.
The oslo/yekta worker factories are MM to continue 2works/2turns.
Birka starts producing 'zerks but I shoulda' produced a harbor there earlier for food. ( I am seeing how rax/harbor interplay is and the importance of food).
The west was lost on me . I had no strategic vision there and other than moving a city (which was completely coached by the team!), I really had no idea about micromanagement there.
For the future my plan would be to upgrade horses to knights with Iron and cash. Load up our galleys with zerks and go after arabia
Overall I think I gained a new appreciation for empire management and learned from my mistakes.
I think my mistakes (not exploring arabia, building gran in Stav, workers/slaves lost due to indecision and inattentiveness) cost President Ragnar of the Viking republic at least 2 turns of progress overall. Given that we are depending on Berzerkers which will be up against a stiff challenge from musket men and given that one civ has Knights Templar there are still challenges ahead.
I am not ready for Sid level just yet!
I welcome any further critiques you may have based on my saves .
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We didn't lose any towns and not so many units yet, so I hope we still have war happiness from Russia?!
No one should have Gunpowder yet?! And I think, many don't have iron, so hopefully we'll be up mostly against Spears.
Not exactly sure, where on the turn order I am located after my "forward skip", in the original spot or in the spot I last played (which is basically Speedbird's spot)?!
Nathiri
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I thought tjs had Lanz in the original spot after robbus/or before, unless Lanz wanted to be counted as already played, but robbus wanted to be before Lanz.
robbus
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https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/tjs1-going-on-the-pill-age.612783/page-24#post-14768595
is original order.
I requested to play before lanz here:
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/tjs1-going-on-the-pill-age.612783/page-24#post-14769294
and here
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/tjs1-going-on-the-pill-age.612783/page-26#post-14773786
I took hand off from Nathiri....
I think Lanzelot is our current president.
Hope this helps.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
I'm not sure whether I'm up or Lanzelot is.
I'm also not sure what our team priorities are for the next turnset.
For myself, it would be: Get Birka up to size 12, then launch the GA by deploying Galleys of Zerks against Russia; send them North from Kufah.
Actually, I should add: Get Worker gangs optimizing terrain improvements in our core. T'heim is getting +3 fpt at size 12 with irrigated tiles; we might as well mine those!
etc...
I'm also not sure what our team priorities are for the next turnset.
For myself, it would be: Get Birka up to size 12, then launch the GA by deploying Galleys of Zerks against Russia; send them North from Kufah.
Actually, I should add: Get Worker gangs optimizing terrain improvements in our core. T'heim is getting +3 fpt at size 12 with irrigated tiles; we might as well mine those!
etc...
I am confused myself...
This is the original order from post #1:
I played in Speedbird's place, then tjs282 got a skip because of vacation(?), so Nathiri played, and then robbus, because I just had shortly before.
@tjs282: just make a decision whether to keep me in Speedbird's spot from now on or whether to (try and) switch back to the original order. I'm fine with anything.
This is the original order from post #1:
I played in Speedbird's place, then tjs282 got a skip because of vacation(?), so Nathiri played, and then robbus, because I just had shortly before.
@tjs282: just make a decision whether to keep me in Speedbird's spot from now on or whether to (try and) switch back to the original order. I'm fine with anything.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Regardless of who plays next...thoughts on game plan?
- Let Yekaterinenburg grow to 5 (by rushing Galley next turn).
- Upgrade all Horsies to Knights and take Russian dyes and ivory. With 4 luxury resources we should be fine, even if we get WW.
- We have already 10 Berzerks and 8 Galleys!
Send 5 Galleys to the Byzantine coast via the Russian coast... Try to sign an MA with Carthage, once we declare against Byzanz.
- Prepare a second fleet in Yekaterinenburg and go along the Dutch coast, once our Knights come back from Russia. (The fleet may raid the Aztec coast a bit, if the Knights take longer...)
- Some elite units can do leader farming with the Aztec landings and at Kufah. (With 2 upgraded Spearmen, we can even send a small party a bit inside Arabia. But don't get sidetracked: there is nothing of interest in Arabia.)
- Aarhus, Stavanger, Copenhagen, Stockholm and Bergen need Markets now.
- Bring Trondheim to 20spt
- Strange that Stavanger has 5 corrupted shields?! Perhaps a Courthouse is in order there? Could be worthwhile during GA.
So top prios for now are the Russian luxury resources, Pyramids in Constantinople (though it already got a bit late for them to be useful), Lighthouse in Amsterdam, Oracle in Tenochtitlan and Hanging Gardens in Carthage.
tjs282
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Short post cos i'm using the wife's Smartphone. As far as i'm concerned, chox's post gives the current turn order. Holiday's going great, looking forward to playing when i get back... ;-)
robbus
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OK ... impeach Lanzelot! Tusker for Prez!
I am trying to be funny here but here is Chox's order
Robbus -- Just Played
Elephantium -- Up
Choxorn -- On Deck
Lanzelot
tjs282
Nathiri
Lanz' is OK with this, so am I.
BTW: I welcome any critiques of my turn by turn moves... Just contact me directly , Thanks.
I am trying to be funny here but here is Chox's order
Robbus -- Just Played
Elephantium -- Up
Choxorn -- On Deck
Lanzelot
tjs282
Nathiri
Lanz' is OK with this, so am I.
BTW: I welcome any critiques of my turn by turn moves... Just contact me directly , Thanks.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Thank you, robbus. As my first act as President of this great Republic, I hereby pardon Lanzelot. We have struggled through difficult times, and we as a people need to move on and put the scandals behind us!
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Does anyone have thoughts on growing Alesund and Karasjok to size 12?
... or Molde and Hareid?
... or Molde and Hareid?
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Midset report (okay, most-of-set report):
Pre-turn:
Vadso switched to Barracks.
Reyk switches to Galley. It wastes 10 shields -- why the hell were we building a military unit without a Barracks in the first place?!
Switch Tromso, Odense, and Bodo back to Settlers.
Why were they changed in the first place? I haven't seen any notes on this!
Alesund steals the Sugar from Stockholm for faster growth.
Yekaterinburg changes tile assignments to give the watered grass to Birka. Switch to Galley.
Again, why hasn't anyone done this for the last 20 turns?! It's been mentioned NUMEROUS times.
... Okay, breathing again.
There were two Horsemen in Stavanger. Why haven't they been moved
I send them to help guard against landings -- they'd be helpful in Russia, but our core is a little too lightly defended.
IBT:
Russia wants straight peace. We decline, of course.
Russia kills a Dutch unit near Moscow; Dutch kill a russian unit near Yakutsk
Reyk: Galleys.
Molde: Horseman > Zerk
T1:
I kill 1 LB with eHorse and 1 redlined Horse with vHorse. No promotions.
IBT:
Trond: Harbor > Zerk
Bergen: Zerks
Oslo: Workers
Stockholm: Zerks
Stavanger: Knight > Zerk
Adrianople completes Art of War.
T2:
Kufah: We lose eArcher attacking Arab Archer.
Two Knights wipe out the attackers. One promotes to elite.
Short-rush Marketplace (Mkt) in Birka; we need a Harbor there ASAP, too.
Basically everyone has Theology, but we don't care.
IBT:
We lose a Russian slave that we had captured last turn (a Horseman came out of the fog to recapture him).
Copenhagen: Zerk > Mkt
Yekaterinburg: Galley > Worker
Aarhus: Galley > Mkt
T3:
eKnight kills Archer at Kufah
eHorse kills Horse at Vadso
Knight recaptures Worker
Knight kills LB near Vadso
Since I set some Mkt builds last turn, I make sure that all our big cities have Mkt builds: Only Trond and Reyk had them already.
IBT:
Reyk: Galleys
Oslo: Workers
Odense: Settler > Galley
Alesund: Horseman > Pike *
Tromso riots due to the Aztecs *finally* moving their Galley!
* Can anyone explain why sometimes builds get auto-updated to the new unit while sometimes it finishes the existing build?
T4:
Move troops, quietly. I'm still wrangling Workers in advance of starting the GA.
IBT:
Russia sends a Horseman next to Novgorod
Dutch lose 1 LB to Russian LB
Yekaterinburg: Workers ** (this city needs MM every turn!)
T5:
Knights invade Russian North! They move into position outside St. Petersburg to seize the Ivory.
IBT:
Trond: Zerks
Novgorod: Worker > Barracks
Oslo: Workers
T6:
I settle Farsund, S-SW of Bodo.
Battle of St. Petersburg:
Knight gets redlined in the initial assault but kills the Spear!
Knight dies on a Spearpoint!
Knight rides down LB and promotes to Elite!
Knight smashes redlined Spear and takes the city
IBT:
Aztecs land 2 units by Trond and then die to our Galley
Russian LB kills Spear by Novgorod
Yekaterinburg: Workers
Reyk: Galleys
Stavanger: Mkt > Zerk
T7:
eHorse and vKnight kill 2 Russian LBs by Novgorod
vKnights kill Horse and Jaguar next to Trond
IBT:
Aztec Galley suicides on our Galley near Birka
Oslo: Workers
Birka: Harbor > Galley
Hareid: Horse > Court
Tromso: Settler > Harbor
T8:
Quiet turn -- I'm just moving troops to heal and Workers to their next jobs.
IBT:
Dutch want to sell Theology for 910 gold. Sorry, buddy.
Bergen: Mkt > Zerk
Yekaterinburg: Worker > Aqueduct
Stockholm: Mkt > Zerk
Karasjok: Harbor > 'duct
Carthage is building Copernicus!
I also see that multiple AIs have Gunpowder
T9:
Risor founded in the south.
eKnight kills LB in the north
Okay. It's time for the GA!
We raid Ixtapaluca:
Zerk wins flawlessly!
Second Zerk razes the city (I chose raze instead of capture because I don't want the headache of defending the town).
Krasnoyarsk:
Zerk kills Spear
Zerk kills Spear
Horseman kills LB and takes the town. This one I captured because we're pushing towards Moscow.
Bryansk:
Two Zerks kill two Spears and take the city (this one is a little sketchier; reinforcements from Rostov could make this tricky. However, we DEFINITELY have a turn's grace period before a counterattack can be mounted).
I pause here to post the save and show the GA-specific layout of our cities.
Now is also the time to decide on a few key factors:
1. Oslo and Yekaterinburg -- keep pumping out Workers or grow to big cities? I think it's time to develop them since we're starting the "raid and pillage" phase.
2. Karasjok and Alesund. They could do well as size 12 cities, but they have enough shields to contribute right now. I set them up for growth, but they could go either way.
3. Molde and Hareid. With Courts, Harbors, and ducts, they'd be nice second-tier cities - but they won't really hit their stride until the end of the GA if we do that. Meanwhile, they already have Barracks -- they could build a modest number of units for raiding as-is.
Pre-turn:
Vadso switched to Barracks.
Reyk switches to Galley. It wastes 10 shields -- why the hell were we building a military unit without a Barracks in the first place?!
Switch Tromso, Odense, and Bodo back to Settlers.
Why were they changed in the first place? I haven't seen any notes on this!
Alesund steals the Sugar from Stockholm for faster growth.
Yekaterinburg changes tile assignments to give the watered grass to Birka. Switch to Galley.
Again, why hasn't anyone done this for the last 20 turns?! It's been mentioned NUMEROUS times.
... Okay, breathing again.
There were two Horsemen in Stavanger. Why haven't they been moved
I send them to help guard against landings -- they'd be helpful in Russia, but our core is a little too lightly defended.IBT:
Russia wants straight peace. We decline, of course.
Russia kills a Dutch unit near Moscow; Dutch kill a russian unit near Yakutsk
Reyk: Galleys.
Molde: Horseman > Zerk
T1:
I kill 1 LB with eHorse and 1 redlined Horse with vHorse. No promotions.
IBT:
Trond: Harbor > Zerk
Bergen: Zerks
Oslo: Workers
Stockholm: Zerks
Stavanger: Knight > Zerk
Adrianople completes Art of War.
T2:
Kufah: We lose eArcher attacking Arab Archer.
Two Knights wipe out the attackers. One promotes to elite.
Short-rush Marketplace (Mkt) in Birka; we need a Harbor there ASAP, too.
Basically everyone has Theology, but we don't care.
IBT:
We lose a Russian slave that we had captured last turn (a Horseman came out of the fog to recapture him).
Copenhagen: Zerk > Mkt
Yekaterinburg: Galley > Worker
Aarhus: Galley > Mkt
T3:
eKnight kills Archer at Kufah
eHorse kills Horse at Vadso
Knight recaptures Worker
Knight kills LB near Vadso
Since I set some Mkt builds last turn, I make sure that all our big cities have Mkt builds: Only Trond and Reyk had them already.
IBT:
Reyk: Galleys
Oslo: Workers
Odense: Settler > Galley
Alesund: Horseman > Pike *
Tromso riots due to the Aztecs *finally* moving their Galley!
* Can anyone explain why sometimes builds get auto-updated to the new unit while sometimes it finishes the existing build?
T4:
Move troops, quietly. I'm still wrangling Workers in advance of starting the GA.
IBT:
Russia sends a Horseman next to Novgorod
Dutch lose 1 LB to Russian LB
Yekaterinburg: Workers ** (this city needs MM every turn!)
T5:
Knights invade Russian North! They move into position outside St. Petersburg to seize the Ivory.
IBT:
Trond: Zerks
Novgorod: Worker > Barracks
Oslo: Workers
T6:
I settle Farsund, S-SW of Bodo.
Battle of St. Petersburg:
Knight gets redlined in the initial assault but kills the Spear!
Knight dies on a Spearpoint!
Knight rides down LB and promotes to Elite!
Knight smashes redlined Spear and takes the city
IBT:
Aztecs land 2 units by Trond and then die to our Galley
Russian LB kills Spear by Novgorod
Yekaterinburg: Workers
Reyk: Galleys
Stavanger: Mkt > Zerk
T7:
eHorse and vKnight kill 2 Russian LBs by Novgorod
vKnights kill Horse and Jaguar next to Trond
IBT:
Aztec Galley suicides on our Galley near Birka
Oslo: Workers
Birka: Harbor > Galley
Hareid: Horse > Court
Tromso: Settler > Harbor
T8:
Quiet turn -- I'm just moving troops to heal and Workers to their next jobs.
IBT:
Dutch want to sell Theology for 910 gold. Sorry, buddy.
Bergen: Mkt > Zerk
Yekaterinburg: Worker > Aqueduct
Stockholm: Mkt > Zerk
Karasjok: Harbor > 'duct
Carthage is building Copernicus!
I also see that multiple AIs have Gunpowder
T9:
Risor founded in the south.
eKnight kills LB in the north
Okay. It's time for the GA!
We raid Ixtapaluca:
Zerk wins flawlessly!
Second Zerk razes the city (I chose raze instead of capture because I don't want the headache of defending the town).
Krasnoyarsk:
Zerk kills Spear
Zerk kills Spear
Horseman kills LB and takes the town. This one I captured because we're pushing towards Moscow.
Bryansk:
Two Zerks kill two Spears and take the city (this one is a little sketchier; reinforcements from Rostov could make this tricky. However, we DEFINITELY have a turn's grace period before a counterattack can be mounted).
I pause here to post the save and show the GA-specific layout of our cities.
Now is also the time to decide on a few key factors:
1. Oslo and Yekaterinburg -- keep pumping out Workers or grow to big cities? I think it's time to develop them since we're starting the "raid and pillage" phase.
2. Karasjok and Alesund. They could do well as size 12 cities, but they have enough shields to contribute right now. I set them up for growth, but they could go either way.
3. Molde and Hareid. With Courts, Harbors, and ducts, they'd be nice second-tier cities - but they won't really hit their stride until the end of the GA if we do that. Meanwhile, they already have Barracks -- they could build a modest number of units for raiding as-is.
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