To switch or not to switch

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{NOTE TO MODERATORS: this same general thread will be posted in both the general Civ III and general Civ IV areas so I can get something approaching a balanced set of views on the following question. Hope this doesn't violate any rules in the interests of obtaining said balanced view. Thanks.}

To those of you who have not upgraded from Civ III to Civ IV: please tell me why you elected to stay with Civ III, if you'd do it again, and why I, as a Civ III user, should do so. Thanks.
 
It is simple, I found Civ4 to be very interesting the first month, but after that I just could not force myself to finish games and soon to even start one. One issue for is too many things do not need me to make a choice as it does not matter much, like workers. Like techs, so many of them and so many paths and far too many wonders.

I really felt that religion was too strong.
 
I don't think I have really finished with Civ3 yet, there is plenty more to do. Also I prefer the simpler graphics, they let me concentrate on the gameplay.
 
To me it seems that newer versions of games focus more on graphics rather than gameplay. I'm not a "ooo that looks pretty" kinda guy. Give me a game that uses my brain more than my eyes anytime.
 
I play both. It gives me the ability to see from both ends of the spectrum, and neither end is horrible.
 
I find the question loaded. If "upgraded" read "changed" it might work out a lot better. For me personally, I have a Windows ME computer and I doubt I could get civ IV to run on it as well as I would like. Plus, I would have to purchase it.
 
I play both. It gives me the ability to see from both ends of the spectrum, and neither end is horrible.

This :agree:

If you can, you probably should try it. Like vxma, you'd like it for a while and then can make your decision. CivIV is not an upgrade of III, it is a different game. If you have an older computer or a laptop, Spoonwood's answer might apply. CivIV does need a better computer due to the graphics, more music pieces, bells and whistles. When I first got CivIV, my older computer had trouble handling it. After my old computer died, the new one ran IV just fine.

The most important thing is, the game is different, not an upgrade. You should try it if it looks interesting, not try it if it doesn't.
 
I play both games and find them apealing for different reasons.
I even still start up Civ I&II games from time to time.

My suggestion is you try it out, its not that expensive these days.

I do play CivIII more then CivIV thats why I answered here.
And I didn't want to be to compared with those other "enlighted" answers in the CivIV thread "civ3 sucks" is very enlightning isn't it.
 
I played the Civ4 demo for a couple hours and saw nothing that impressed me. An upgrade in graphics is not an upgrade in game play. Everything I read about Civ4 it was just a reshuffling of details. I consider myself invested in CivIII and to move on to a new version it will take a real upgrade like going interplanetary. I've heard they are taking the AI critics seriously for Civ5, I'm keeping my hopes up for hearing that it is true.
 
Here is my take: Civ 3 is cheaper, try it, don't like it, so what? You're out of 2 trips to a fast food joint. Damn near any computer will run it, whereas Civ4 needs at least a good computer, and the better computer gets a better game.
 
The question is very old and outdated. Even the term "upgrade" from Civ 3 to Civ 4 is wrong as in a lot of ways it is a downgrade. The civers, who stayed with Civ 3 all have their good reasons and nobody must be convinced. Civ 4 will mostly dissapear from the civ-screens when Civ 5 arrives, as most of the "brainless" fun-boys will change to Civ 5 and call all others who stay with Civ 4 cavemen, assburgers and so on (all terms that were used by this kind of civers in earlier discussions about the same question against civers who spoke for Civ 3).

So you should at least wait until Civ 5 comes out and than such a "switching discussion" could make sense. My two cents about switching to Civ 5 with the few infos that are available about Civ 5 now:

Civ 3 will be the last game of the Civ series that uses a better modable 2d-engine and therefore (compared with the current Civ 5 unit-screenshots) has superior unit graphics. If Civ 5 should also have an online copy protection, I think I will even not switch to Civ 5. :p
 
partly i never got around to it, but i think mostly i shy away from anything less than five years old or even ten, because i hate sitting around waiting for the computer to do its thing. When i heard that IV would have 3-D rendering the first thing that came to my mind was "not on this computer". And my computer was pretty new (laptop though) at the time.

Chances are I will install it eventually. Who knows? I might love it.
 
For me, CivIV does not have the "epic" feel that I love about Civ4. It just can't handle the same sized map as easily, and really big ones are pretty much out of the question. With Civ3, you'll eventually be reminded by the in-between-turn times that you're playing a really big map, but even on a moderately large one you can get a very "epic" sense with Civ3.

And the claim that Civ4 supports larger map sizes, while perhaps technically possible if you can avoid Memory Allocation Failures (unlikely), is based on false claims. Sirian quotes the Civ3 Huge map size as 160x160; that's the nerfed size in Conquests. In vanilla Civ3, Huge is 180x180, giving 16200 tiles, a 10% bonus over Civ4's largest Huge. And it's at least as playable as a Civ4 Huge with 18 civs. About the largest Civ4 map I can find reference to is 192x120 (23040 tiles); a 220x220 Civ3 map at 24200 tiles is still playable (probably more so) and unlikely to hit the city limit. I'd care less about this if the Civ4 box hadn't advertised the larger maps.

Civ4 also seems to have a slower build pace for units, which also hurts epic-ness in my opinion. Granted, that's moddable, and I started to mod that once, but never completed that mod.

There are several other issues I have with Civ4, such as the inability to bombard properly as you can in Civ3 (you can't destroy buildings in a city with bombing?!?!? no ranged bombardment of units/terrain outside of cities???). The ineptness with which my computer played Civ4 when I bought Civ4 also likely has had a long-term impact on how much I like Civ4 - and it certainly negatively impacted my view of Civ4's epicness (thought I still think Civ4 is considerably less epic, even though I can now play Civ4 quite well on my computer).

I do plan to actually dig into Civ4 now that I have Beyond the Sword sometime, but there's still a lot of community mods I haven't tried for Civ3 that I want to try as well. That's in part due to not having Internet for 3 years after getting Civ3, but also because the epic game in Civ3 had much greater replayability for me than that of Civ4. And there's still new mods coming out for Civ3. Civinator's CCM is near the top of my want-to-try list, and I hope to try it this summer.

I don't know that Civ4 will "disappear" anytime soon, but it will be interesting to watch the effect of Civ5. In part, of course, it depends on how well received Civ5 is, which we can only speculate on at this point. I might switch to Civ5 if it really seems to hit the mark for me, but I'll probably try the demo before buying, after Civ4 failed to meet my expectations. If it doesn't hit the mark for me, I know I've still got plenty of Civ3 content to last several more years. Especially as I don't play as many games as I used to, either overall, in the strategy genre, or of Civ.

A number of my real-life friends play Civ3 as well, and I was in a Civ3 LAN with several of them over New Year's. Some, but not all, of them, still play Civ4 (one still has Civ2), and one still plays CivRev. The few of them that didn't play Civ3 in the pre-Civ4 days didn't put up much resistance to trying Civ3 given its bargain price these days and reputation - and none of them have expressed regret at buying it.
 
I have expressed some of the reasons why I like Civ3 better than Civ4 in this thread. (See also post #20.)

Three years later I would still say: Civ4 is a good game --- but Civ3 is better...
There are a few concepts in Civ4 that I actually like very much (Corruption, Great People, Health Resources), but the ones I don't like outweigh these and take away much of the fun of playing Civ (Railroad, stupid bombardment concept for artillery/ships and bombers, limited trade possibilities - especially the way how religion hampers trading completely, tech tree, government system).

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