To Those Wishing For The Demise Of Civ 5

[Gatsby]

The failure of CiV will have no effect on Civ 6. You can be sure that Firaxis etc are sorely regretting their dumbing down and consquent pissing off of their customers. They will need a good Civ 6 to make up for it.
Ps.

They'll only regret that if they end up taking a hit to the hip pocket because of it. If that doesn't happen (or indeed if they make good money on Civ5) then expect more of the same.

 

[Ex-Cop]

No, but less people buy Civ5 and DLCs/expansions, so they have less funds to develop it further.

You can't possibly believe what you have written.

 

[Akka]

The very OP is completely backward logic. You should not reward a bad game. "gaming the system" is pointless - if the game sell well, the people in charge will consider that it's a success and will continue on the same way, not think "they, people bought it, but only to support another iteration that will go in another way".

The only way to shake them and make them think "hu, we made a big mistake and our game was crap" is to NOT buy it.

They'll only regret that if they end up taking a hit to the hip pocket because of it. If that doesn't happen (or indeed if they make good money on Civ5) then expect more of the same.

Exactly.

Come to think of it, isn't Schafer's inexperience one of the main knocks people have against him?

Wouldn't it then be best for him to be in charge of Civ6?

No.
The problem isn't in his inexperience, the problem is in his whole conceptual direction. It's not that he has good ideas and lack the know-how to put them in the game, it's that he has bad ideas to begin with.

 

[PawelS]

You can't possibly believe what you have written.

Why? I think it's quite logical.

 

[SidMeierGroupy]

It is unfortunate, but I have been seeing the attitude expressed on this forum that we should all hope for the quick demise of Civ 5 as this will be the quickest way to get Civ VI into our hands. And, I think that, judging by some of the posts I see here, there are those who not only hope for Civ 5's demise, they encourage it by various means.

If Firaxis is like so many companies though, especially in this economy, one element that is absolutely essential to the ability to financing the development effort of Civ 6, is the success of Civ 5.

I could name a lot of companies, not just gaming companies, others too, that, because of a less than successful product 2 years ago, today are out of business. (Monte Cristo is the first one that comes to mind)

Certainly I do not wish to quiet those who don't like Civ 5 as much as some others, we all have opinions, and CFC is gracious enough to provide us with a forum for their expression. I think most of us would like Civ 5 to be a better game, and we all have our own ideas of how to make it better.

But I will suggest that perhaps some forms of expression, especially those that are likely to discourage people from trying the game, or those that may discourage others from suggesting the game to friends, may be counterproductive in the long run.

Sterling games are produced by strong companies more often that not, and Firaxis needs Civ 5 sales in order to be strong when Civ 6 development time rolls around.

what codswallop. Civ 5 is the worst release of 2010. And people should not waste their hard-earned cash just to buy a rip-off of a product, to line pockets in hopes that a Civ6 will be released in another five years.
That's tantamount to rewarding these clowns for ripping us off.
Firaxis won't go under if Civ 5 -rightfully- doesn't make money, but it should hit them hard enough to produce a quality product the next time.

 

[SidMeierGroupy]

Personally I value the quality of any recommendations I give to collegues and friends, whether that's a negative or positive view of a product. Those views will stay factual from my perspective, and certainly are not going to be tempered by the future demise or success of the original designers/publishers.

If they want to move onto - in this case V6 - then their qualification for doing so is a successful V5, end of story. If they mess up V5, and we all have our views on that can of worms, then they can expect nothing less than zero enthusiasm for a V6.

There is no free lunch in the Games or any other Business sector - deliver or die off, simple as that. To expect some kind of automatic benevolent sympathy level from those who just shelled out circa $50 is not real world, certainly not real from those who may believe they just wasted $50. The latter are hardly likely to think "oh thats ok, I'll shell out another $50 when V6 comes out, no doubt it'll be ok next time ...."

Not gonna happen.

Regards
Zy

An excellent post.

 

[elthrasher]

These figures don't include Steam sales since they're only from boxsets sold in stores... compiled by a device called the usual market probing scale & absolute numbers.

Methodology is given here: http://www.vgchartz.com/methodology.php

It seems to me that they might have some idea of the number of Steam downloads by doing end-user polling, but generally most of their data would be from stores.

 

[SuperJay]

Interesting thread. One predicated on a whole series of incorrect assumptions, of course. But the idea that we should buy a product we don't like on the off-chance that the producers of that product will make a better one later is amusing to say the least.

I don't really think anyone here "wishes for the demise of Civ 5." You guys are making this whole 'hater/whining' problem out to be much bigger than it really is, and in doing so, giving rise to more of the very same "hating" and "whining" you claim to detest. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, now.

 

[Dig-Doug]

2 cents is still "2 cents" no matter how you add it up. (except when buying Civ V. Then it becomes less.

When I bought this game I expected what they (2K/Shafter) were saying about "Us liking it", unfortunately it did not have the "POW!" or "BLAM!" of Civ 4. and, Personally, I don't think any amount of repairs can help here.

Therefore; looking to the future would be best for me at least. Maybe it's well time for another generation of "civ" type games to come into their own? Since there are many programmers who would love nothing more than to get their hands on this title, I say give them a chance! What can it hurt

DD

 

[luisfpf]

It is unfortunate, but I have been seeing the attitude expressed on this forum that we should all hope for the quick demise of Civ 5 as this will be the quickest way to get Civ VI into our hands. And, I think that, judging by some of the posts I see here, there are those who not only hope for Civ 5's demise, they encourage it by various means.

If Firaxis is like so many companies though, especially in this economy, one element that is absolutely essential to the ability to financing the development effort of Civ 6, is the success of Civ 5.

I could name a lot of companies, not just gaming companies, others too, that, because of a less than successful product 2 years ago, today are out of business. (Monte Cristo is the first one that comes to mind)

Certainly I do not wish to quiet those who don't like Civ 5 as much as some others, we all have opinions, and CFC is gracious enough to provide us with a forum for their expression. I think most of us would like Civ 5 to be a better game, and we all have our own ideas of how to make it better.

But I will suggest that perhaps some forms of expression, especially those that are likely to discourage people from trying the game, or those that may discourage others from suggesting the game to friends, may be counterproductive in the long run.

Sterling games are produced by strong companies more often that not, and Firaxis needs Civ 5 sales in order to be strong when Civ 6 development time rolls around.

I am sorry but I have to ask...

Are you on drugs???? Do you own any shares ????

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[grallon]

Considering how CiV is nothing more than a wargame with historical fluff I suggest they drop the brand name and call their game something else since clearly there's no historical development going on anymore.




G.

 

[Thormodr]

2 cents is still "2 cents" no matter how you add it up. (except when buying Civ V. Then it becomes less.

When I bought this game I expected what they (2K/Shafter) were saying about "Us liking it", unfortunately it did not have the "POW!" or "BLAM!" of Civ 4. and, Personally, I don't think any amount of repairs can help here.

Therefore; looking to the future would be best for me at least. Maybe it's well time for another generation of "civ" type games to come into their own? Since there are many programmers who would love nothing more than to get their hands on this title, I say give them a chance! What can it hurt

DD

Freudian slip?

 

[Dig-Doug]

Freudian slip?

Did I do THAT!!!?

 

[Liquidated]

I refuse to play Civ5 in it's current state (still playing civ4 bts) but I would love to see this game fixed to the point where it's balanced and offering real choices. I just hope the Civ5's Complete Version is worth buying in 5 years like Civ4's is now.

Cheers!
-Liq

 

[Ataxerxes]

To a certain extent, unfortunately, we're caught in a catch-22 if we don't like CiV's changes.

If the game sells poorly, that can be interpreted as "the series has run its' course". If the game sells well, that can be interpreted as "our changes were for the good, so keep going in that direction". Sorry I'm a pessimist.

Most of the CiV market are not fanatics, so I'm not sure if our complaints will be given that much attention.

 

[Weson102]

All the money Firaxis is going to make off Civ 5 is at an end. From this point forward the company will only receive negative reviews and the fans decreasing interest in the Civ series.

What they need to do is bite the bullet and start the Civ 6 production mode. They can use some or even a good portion of the Civ 5 work but the overall look has to be new with improved gameplay. Don't try small releases that will slighly improve game play. Firaxis you'll be only frustrating your customer and in the long run killing the series.

The faster they get it done the better for the company,the fans, and the series. If the delay is not too long, the new improved product's release will be supported by the fan base because they'll know Firaxis chalked Civ 5 up as a mistake and came quickly back with a game to satisfy their customers.

Another benefit is that Firaxis will not have to wait the usual 3-4 years for the next cash cow. Civ 6 will bring in the money, the crisis will be over, and the profitable series will continue.

 

[vandyr]

Honestly, by all appearances the only people unhappy with Civ V are diehard Civ IV fans. V seems to be selling very well, and people that have enjoyed the series as a whole seem to be enjoying the newest addition.

 

[Dig-Doug]

Honestly, by all appearances the only people unhappy with Civ V are diehard Civ IV fans. V seems to be selling very well, and people that have enjoyed the series as a whole seem to be enjoying the newest addition.

Hype, Death, and Taxes always get their way.

 

[elthrasher]

Most of the CiV market are not fanatics, so I'm not sure if our complaints will be given that much attention.

Seems like a lot of the patches specifically address things people have complained about here like the AI advancing with archers and horsemen being too strong. Empirical evidence suggests they are listening to constructive criticism from CFC.

 

[vandyr]

Hype, Death, and Taxes always get their way.

Or, it could just be that its not as bad as you all make it out to be