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Another idea would be terrain specific to certain areas of the map. I tried this in an unsuccessful attempt at a LOTR scenario for CivII. I replaced tundra with the lava/sulphur pits of Mordor and glacier with the more evil looking mountains surrounding Mordor. I also changed desert to those special looking trees the elves live in.
I also change Da Vinci's workshop to a wnder called Continuing Story. This meant when you developed Improved Weoponry the Frodo unit was 'upgraded' to Frodo with his sword Sting. This improved his attack. Also Mounted Ringwraiths were replaces with flying ones as in The Two Towers. I abandoned this project when I bought CivIII but am considering finishing it as CivIII isn't as scenario friendly.

I hope anybody with more experience can use these ideas.
 
Well if you're going to make a map, Please don't make it huge.
Huge really slows down in later ages and this occurs on alot of people pcs.
Make it large or maybe standard.
Also for 2nd age civs, don't have 2 dwarven civs because the ones in the Blue Mountains were basically overwith after 1st so basically we have the Moria dwarves.
Elven empires should be those at gray haven under Gil-Gilad and the Lorien, although we could have the valley(forgot the name) where the 3 elven rings were formed by the descendant of Finarfin IIRC.
Maybe intstead of Rohan we could have their ancestors that lived in btw Misty Mountains and Mirkwood. And that make the Rohan area less crowded to allow Mordor and Gondor to expand(since we want them to be the dominant civs)
Possibly get rid of Hobbits, thus we can really have 4 powerful civs, Eriador, Gondor, Numenor, and Mordor.
Combine Arnor and Gondor as one.
Incorporate Khand into Mordor since they were a more minor civ east of Modor.
Who were Umbar. I forget???
Harad should be one, and also pretty powerful. Enough to threaten a more powerful Gondor or Mordor.
 
Originally posted by s3d


Seafaring human race, refered in the book as "pirats".

Were they the guys that attacked Gondor coast in the War of the Ring, where Aragorn brought the dead and defeated em'?
 
Yep that was them , they intended to. Looks like deploying undead vs living considered a warcrime in that time, and Aragorn had forebroding that he will pay for it dearly. However Mayar or whatever ruling power desided not to see it, and he came out of it clean.
 
i think hobbits are pretty much a necessity for any Lotr mod. Perhaps they could be incorporated into one of the other factions in a third age mod:
e.g. combined with rangers
or even Gondor/rohan
(merry and pippin joined gondor and rohan in the return of the king)

I say scrap the industrial ages altogether. In all my games of civ3, i get terminally bored of the industrial age as most of my time is consumed waiting for automated engineers to place railoroads or clean up pollution. Not to mention enemy ships bombarding my coastline indefinately.
Lotr mods should probably end with the conquest of the "free peoples" by mordor, or the overthrowing of sauron/melkor (depending on age).
I would be happy to contribute to any mods in developement, but probably with ideas and maps rather than editor hacking.
 
I aplaud ahenobarb's knowledge of Middle-Earth!
good job man,
do you happen to know any Quenya I am currently studdying it and would be greatly obliged to someone to answer a few questions when the threat is held,
also
the building of the scenario would be an undertaking that i would indeed enjoy to partake in, i know little to nothing about making FLICster images and moderatly informed about otherwise scenerio making
im here to help

if it is a possibility i think that it would be interesting to put the Ents as maybe a, correct me if this feat is strictly improbable, barbarian of somesort that is not of any race yet is allied to the all but evil races.

My insights may be reduntant but sorry.

Aurevoir

rémy
 
Originally posted by Sirp

>(1) Gollum didn't get the Ring from the river bed, his friend did - who he murdered and took the ring from. Also, he was just "Smeagol" at that time and was a hobbit - it wasn't until after he became obsessed with the ring that he became "Gollum".

Agreed - this could have been emphasised, without taking too much time.

>(2) in the book, it is years (17 I think but I'm not sure about that) after Bilbo's party before Frodo began his Quest; it was also several months after Gandalf specifically told him to go.

This, along with the arranged meeting at the Pony, should have been in the film - a fairly important point, I would have thought.

>(5) The whole farmer Cotton thing was totally different in the book .

Wasn't it Farmer Maggot? But I agree, it was different.

>(7) The Dark Rider isn't right on the heels of Frodo as he gets on the ferry; the ferry boarding is completely different in the book.

No, but it makes a neat scene. ;)

>(8) The Hobbits stay a night by the Brandywine

This omission annoyed me. The whole sequence from the bridge to the Barrow-Downs was important.

>(9) The Great Forest is omitted, Tom Bombadil is omitted, The Barrow-Wights are omitted

While Bombadil was irritating, the blades they got from the Barrow-Wights play a fairly important part in Return Of The King; as it was, they just got fairly unspectacular little daggers from Aragorn.

>(13) The innkeeper is also meant to have a long conversation with the Hobbits. He is meant to forget to pass on the message left by Gandalf.

BIG omission.

>(15) Gandalf flies to Rohan and has to beg Theoden King for a horse - and obtaining Shadowfax he rides it to Bree, then passes the party in the wilderness arriving at Weathertop where he is attacked by the Riders. The party sees flashes of light and are confused as to what it is - but later realise it was Gandalf fighting. Gandalf also leaves runes for them to show he was there on Weathertop.

This should have been kept - it changes the plot significantly.

>(17) It is Glorfindel, an elf Lord that meets them - not Eowyn.

Agreed - however, it makes no significant difference to the plot, and avoids dragging in an essentially superfluous character. BTW, that should be Arwen - Eowyn doesn't appear until the next book.

>(20) The snowstorm at Caradhras has nothing to do with Saruman in POST http://forums.civfanatics.com/newreply.php HTTP/1.0the book; the movie shows him conjuring a spell to cause the snowstorm to occur.

I liked that change in the film - in the book, Caradhras (that's a really neat name, don't you think?) was assigned a sort of consciousness, making the mountain itself evil. It makes more sense to have Saruman bringing the storm onto them.

>(23) They do not find that Moria is a tomb as soon as they enter.

And Gimli's supposed to know about Balin's death. Not "When we get there we'll get loads of grub from me uncle/brother/whatever".

>(28) The time at Lothlorien is greatly shortened. (Side note: In my opinion Galadriel is portrayed extremely poorly). This ommission is fairly understandable though.

Agreed - Galadriel (who was really neat in the book) was rubbish in the film.

>(29) Gimli's interactions with and respect for Galadriel is not portrayed

Another glaring omission.

>(30) The initial rivalry followed by the blossoming friendship between Gimli and Legolas is hardly touched upon in the movie.

And another...

On the plus side, the effects were spectacular. Particularly the sound effect as Sauron disintegrates (that low, drawn-out WHUMMMMMmmmmmm....), the camera follwing Legolas' arrow in the mines, the Elven battle line's flashy-spinny-sword thing at the start, and the way they changed Bilbo's face when he lunges for the ring in Rivendell.
 
Originally posted by Uto3
Feanor for instance:

Ever checked his signature. Right. No normal person could possibly understand what is written there. It is even in an unspoken language, how's that! It is just far too sad that people let their lives being absorbed by such a book.

As far as I know, it's written in the Black Tongue of Mordor, a dialect of Dwarfish (though I'm sure Feanor (sorry) will correct me on that). It means, as anyone will know who's read the books or seen the film (so that's lots of normal people):
"One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them.
One Ring to bring them all,
and in the darkness bind them."

One could also draw parallels to the people who actually believe themselves to be Klingons (I've met a few, they are very wierd) and spend their entire lives speaking Klingon. The LotR devotees as least acknowledge that their religion is derived from a work of fiction.

Besides, when it's something as great as LotR, who can blame them?
 
I have a question...... So before I start criticizing you guys. I'de like to point out, that I think this is the best thread about a Lord of the Rings Scenario out there. But from what I've read only one person out there is making one.(a scenario)

Many of you have great ideas but they just can't be done. For instance,if you changed the battle created unit-- (as far as I know)--- It would apply to all the civ's. (Giving Mordor that unit also)......Thus making it impossible to make the battle created unit Ents. (considering you had the animation) ...No I think your better off making the Scenario with animations we have, Like for the edhel archers. Use the Babylonian Bowman animation. Or for gondor---- hoplites.So basically I think you guys should focus on the probable. And actually work with the editor (if you have the time...........) Maybe Fëanor can give it try? Who knows.... But keep the Ideas coming, their helping me with my own scenario!:goodjob:
 
I also will volunteer to playtest, as I am a fan of the LotR series, I have not tackled anything past Unfinished Tales yet.
 
Just looking to see how this is shaping up. If anything new had happened, or if there was anything I could do to help out.
 
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