Town of Sissy Heroes - game thread

in a bizarre twist of events, ye looks like to me in strictly day 1 vote analysis space an atpg lynch yields the most info

mainly just because plenty of people COULD have voted choxorn or atpg but all chose not to and let remake (who hadn't cast a vote) make the actual tiebreak.

but I don't personally care if we just identify those people:

Kennigit--was on choxorn lynch; could have been saving atpg if scum buddies. Has known claim and clearly townie

snerkbot- has some claim

xym- has a claim that is so narrow in scope (unless proven otherwise, I mentioned this to newyn) that I find it irrelevant to determining if he is scum or townie

cuthilius- unknown

newyn- i forgot the jarrema vote lol. what the heck are you doing newyn? Lean town just due to probability (not hat man---good point lohr assuming he is not a character; I did not check OP and am too lazy)

lohr- was on atpg but a weak case can be made, if you want info out of a day 1 lynch without actually doing the lynch you can just slap someone in the lead and make them claim. Stil a non comittment to be in a tied position

remake- chose choxorn, we see the result But my argument for my township is I went ahead and made a choice and stuck with it--often mafia are unwilling to be decisive

I'm just going by people posting after jarrema tally correction
 
triple post-- I don't care if we just identify those people and get their info*



so in that sense it is just cuthilius and remake that are most unknown, the cuthilius wagon is fine.

I think it's tied though? or it's close. I'm on snerk for now, can change but will fall asleep soon
 
Kenny G

Seriously, read the PM I sent you. Right under Were-Fly, that entire sentence is the data you requested.

Silly G?
 

Link to video.

Sing along with me!

Oh god... the horror.... the horror....

Spoiler :
Kill..... me.....

Kill..... meeeeeee

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atpg confirms, I can't read

ok, this is a solid day to go on. it's 12 hours until day end, will see if cuthillius or remake show. I'll show up again
 
Not that I had any question, but Kenny G spewed himself townie again.

Get some sleep friend.
 
Newyn stop doing such scuzzy stuff, it makes me look bad ("atpg is so gr8 guys" "eh lets go cuthillius cuz he hasnt shown up")

Not that I disagree with the inactive strategy (i.e. that atpg prposed and immediately ignored w/ regard to csargo)

@Martin; kingmorgan; lohr: iirc choxorn's ability was shown in update and you can look at what that says. Newyn and I obviously got info about each other last night. We aren't masons.

Re lohr: "townie abilities are supposed to suck this game" or equivalent--that is flagged to me as almost anti-PIS that turns into bad luck for the mafia because, well, as a townie I know my ability doesnt completely suck and newyn's aint too shabby

Re all about lohr: honestly i hate metagame stuff but lohr reads exactly as I probably do lol. Talk about the mechanics and accuse everyone. But that other statement is almost like "well I don't know townie roles so I guess I'll seem competent by quoting the rules"

It's a catch-22 for scum sometimes. That seems like it should be town-like, but often isnt

Also re all: be back like 1 hour. On my phone, havent read any of your little PMs that probably are all "zomg kennigit how you know newyn didnt do the kill last night????"
Alright, I know this probably isn't very helpful, but I don't really understand what you're trying to say. Your language seems a bit messy to me (sorry :(), and I can't really make sense of your arguements.
But you're basically saying I am wrong about everything and seem shifty?

You are right now saying you two aren't masons. This was one thing I didn't think of, and could have made sense, but now that's out of the drain.
So get this: Choxorn's ability could get him accidentally killed. Spaceman's ability could let him see if anyone had done anything at all that night, but only every other night, and frankly, my ability is even weaker than that.
And you are saying you and Newyn have great abilities?
You claim that somehow, you and Newyn has learned the other isn't mafia. Rather, you said you learned Newyn wasn't hat man. This is impossible unless you got a pm from Jarrema that said "Newyn isn't hat man", which sounds pretty rediculous. If you got to know Newyn's character identity, as I've previously mentioned, that means nothing. If you learned he wasn't mafia, you would have said so explicitly, instead of just saying he wasn't the hat man (I guess the hat man could be a serial killer, but I have no real reason to believe that).
Moreover, Newyn implied that the key to this exchange was that a night action be targeted on him, and this somehow resulting in both of you learning the other isn't mafia sounds way too weird.

You say you have a claim that clears you as town member, but nothing of what you are saying adds up to that. Frankly you just seem more and more suspitious.

As for your critisism of me, I can't make sense of that either. Anti-PIS, so it seems I know less than I am supposed to do? And about seeming competent by quoting the rules, what, am I supposed to be faking something?
By the choxorn thing I mean, going off that power description from his death, imagine I scanned choxorn and then didn't get a scan result. I could say, "yo what gives choxorn?". And he could be nice and claim his ability and say he got roleblocked. I could say, "oh so you're some unscannable mafia godfather liar, gotcha"

But, such a result would confirm some action happened [by the person attempting the scan] and quasi-checks that the people involved wouldn't be involved in the kill that night update [how likely would it have been for choxorn in such a case to blatantly lie about getting roleblocked, i.e. the simple case is that his claim would actually be true].
Again, I don't understand what you are trying to say. That I should just believe you for reasons?
It makes no sense what you and Newyn's alleged abilities are supposed to be.
in a bizarre twist of events, ye looks like to me in strictly day 1 vote analysis space an atpg lynch yields the most info

mainly just because plenty of people COULD have voted choxorn or atpg but all chose not to and let remake (who hadn't cast a vote) make the actual tiebreak.

but I don't personally care if we just identify those people:

Kennigit--was on choxorn lynch; could have been saving atpg if scum buddies. Has known claim and clearly townie

snerkbot- has some claim

xym- has a claim that is so narrow in scope (unless proven otherwise, I mentioned this to newyn) that I find it irrelevant to determining if he is scum or townie

cuthilius- unknown

newyn- i forgot the jarrema vote lol. what the heck are you doing newyn? Lean town just due to probability (not hat man---good point lohr assuming he is not a character; I did not check OP and am too lazy)

lohr- was on atpg but a weak case can be made, if you want info out of a day 1 lynch without actually doing the lynch you can just slap someone in the lead and make them claim. Stil a non comittment to be in a tied position

remake- chose choxorn, we see the result But my argument for my township is I went ahead and made a choice and stuck with it--often mafia are unwilling to be decisive

I'm just going by people posting after jarrema tally correction

Here I really don't follow you at all. What would lynching Askthepizzaguy reveal that wouldn't be revealed by lynching anyone else?
As for your assesments of the people listed, I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Moreover:

@Askthepizzaguy What is so suspicious about KingMorgan's post? His analysis seems sligtly arbitrary to me, but not overly malicious.

@Xym I might be imagining things. I could have sworn you voted against me once in NSP3, but looking over your posts, I couldn't find anything.
 
Remake hasn't posted since the 25th, but he's been online about 4 times since then, during night and 3 times during this day phase.

If that's not scum that's pretty willful abandonment of townie duties.

What I said when this game began, I'm getting really tired of townies not behaving like proper teammates.

Understand that this will not win you this game, regardless of your alignment, remake! I will lynch one of my own teammates when they do this kind of blatant abandonment.

I need some kind of explanation.
 
Got about 1 hour and 20 minutes for one of remake20 or Cuthilius to show up and act like they deserve to be on this team.

And if their answer is oh, sorry guys, guess I don't deserve it, woe.

That's a lynch.

We're already losing Csargo. I will set a pile of abandony townies ablaze today, because I grow ever so weary of this. Every game. And if you're scum, you're the least entertaining and worthy scum opponent.
 
I want to lynch KingMorgan so badly, and I'm not going to, so long as I get zero additional posts from the aforementioned triad and they're still alive.

KingMorgan the scumbag wins this game so long as you no-post.
 
remake surfs other areas of the forum


re lohr: IF <ATPG scum>, THEN <all those people could have been protecting him>. That's all I'm saying. The wolves are a team and will act like a team. However, ATPG is in pretty good shape due to exchanging info about his ability.

A lynch on cuthilius/remake (relative inactives) mainly just gives the "town/not town" result on only them. But that is fine in my book.


re lohr on me and newyn: yes, I am saying my ability does not suck. It lets me know newyn could not have been hatman. Imagine the possibilities. There are many. Anything from a "Kennigit blocked Newyn and pm'd him" to scans to watching to more. If you PM me info about your ability I'll respond in kind.




unvote; vote cuthillius
 
Cuthilius (5): Snerk, Askthepizzaguy, Newyn, Xym, Kennigit
Remake20 (3): Lohrenswald, KingMorgan, landlubber
Newyn (1): MartinLuther
Xym (1): Al Sipsclar

This is the current tally.

~~~

This is who I think my team is, and who is not on my team. Olive means unsure.

Spoiler :
Town\ Blue-Teal-Green-Olive-Orange-Red /Scum
1. Lohrenswald
2. MartinLuther
3. Al Sipsclar
4. Landlubber
5.
6. Snerk

7. Kennigit
8.
9. ATPG
10. KingMorgan
11. Remake20
12. Xym
13. Cuthillius
14. Newyn
15. Csargo

Who wants remake dead is probably the only thing keeping me from voting him, but I might flip a coin before the buzzer. It could be bussing a packmate who is frozen or in anti-spew.

One of Cuthilius and Remake could be a townie. If both are, that's pretty sad for my team. If one of them is, I think your third wolf is inside of LL, Snerk, and Al. Not sure where to start looking inside that group, but I'd recommend trying to clear at least one of them somehow.
 
remake surfs other areas of the forum

Which means he could stop by and place a vote randomly, it takes 20 seconds tops.

Even a random vote has a chance of landing on scum and allowing me to follow suit and outvote a team of scums. It's not likely to be helpful but it gives me a greater than zero percent chance of success.

I can't do jack with a townie teammate who doesn't vote at all.
 
I hope it is current tally, please check for mistakes:
Cuthillius (5): Xym, Newyn, ATPG, Snerk, Kennigit
Remake (3): Landlubber, KingMorgan, Lohrenswald
Xym: Al Sipsclar
Newyn: MartinLuther
 
Why KingMorgan needs to die
A treatise by Askthepizzafly


Vote: choxorn

Got to be mafia if concerned with numbers.

Mafia want to act like they're solving. Often times their D1 random votes have serious business attached to them as reasoning. Of course, the serious business reasoning is against a townie. This way they can maintain the appearance of being a useful townie without lynching a fellow scumbag.

Competent, but wrong. That's how good scums operate.

Vote: KingMorgan

For having the gall to post directly before I do.

I voted him for it. But I didn't reveal my reasoning because it's not like that's enough to persuade people on day one. And scumbags tend to reveal more of their motive if they think they're getting away with it.

Note: This is a difference in my standard approach. It's not working to attack every suspect right away with everything I have because it doesn't convince people and it tips off my quarry.

What he did: Nothing for the remainder of the round, lynched a townie. Pressured zero scums, asked zero questions. Blends in because we didn't exactly do a bang up job being townies on D1 either.

That's page one of four, nothing completely damning so far.

Page 2: Zippo lighter.

Pizza gained votes, Lohren gained votes. Newyn got votes. All of these are likely townies.

Why would King Morgan even bother taking a risk on page 2?

Page 3: my pressure on KM increases. He votes for someone who is inactive in the thread, who I put as my top suspect.

If I am incorrect about remake20 being a scumbag, this is the easiest way to exploit town on town violence. Simply be a good supporter of the loudest towniest person.

If I am correct about remake20, well, this is good distancing, but I have doubts it's that.

My response to that movement was to ask him to give me more. Because he's leaving almost nada in the game thread, and he's under almost no pressure. That's winning for scumbags but terrible for townie solvers. KM is not a do-nothing townie from what I can remember, so, help me solve.

Cool I get play with the traffic lights.

Maybe Town
Kennigit and Newlyn - Claiming some mason stuff, bold move if not town. Enough for a town lean.
Lohrenswald - I get a bumbling town read, until it was pointed out that this game was different I was thinking he was playing as town, but maybe a pass for today.
Snerk - I have a town lean, not sure mafia would draw such attention early on, pass for today.
Al Sips - Seems legit on the face of it, no suspicious conduct as yet.

Mildly Suspect
Landlubber - Some odd comments, but looks better on a 2nd read. I like the pizza suspicion.
Xym - I'm mildly suspicious, but nothing of major note.
Cuthillius - A few posts, not much content, if remake flips scum then a good hard look.
Csargo - AWOL? not posted.
Askthepizzaguy - unreadable, but on the suspect list until proven otherwise.
Remake20 - His lynch would probably give the most information and its rude to lurk!
MartinLuther - Voting for Newlyn after the claim is very scummy imo.

I think I could probably support any orange name for the rope.

His list of townies is almost a carbon copy of mine and others. It takes no risks, doesn't challenge the status quo.

His list of suspects includes all of mine except him, and doesn't list them in any particular order of strength, and reveals no work done. There's also seven names on there.

The challenge is now to the townie to figure out where inside that orange group his partner is.

And of course, where inside the green group his other partner likely is.

I take that bet:

Me said:
Cool I get play with the traffic lights.

Maybe Town
Kennigit and Newlyn - Claiming some mason stuff, bold move if not town. Enough for a town lean.
Lohrenswald - I get a bumbling town read, until it was pointed out that this game was different I was thinking he was playing as town, but maybe a pass for today.
Snerk - I have a town lean, not sure mafia would draw such attention early on, pass for today.
Al Sips - Seems legit on the face of it, no suspicious conduct as yet.

Mildly Suspect
Landlubber - Some odd comments, but looks better on a 2nd read. I like the pizza suspicion.
Xym - I'm mildly suspicious, but nothing of major note.
Cuthillius - A few posts, not much content, if remake flips scum then a good hard look.
Csargo - AWOL? not posted.
Askthepizzaguy - unreadable, but on the suspect list until proven otherwise.
Remake20 - His lynch would probably give the most information and its rude to lurk!
MartinLuther - Voting for Newlyn after the claim is very scummy imo.

I think I could probably support any orange name for the rope.
Remake isn't out of the woods, but.

"If remake flips scum", what if Cuthillius flips scum?

Csargo? Wog.
Pizza? Town.
Martin? Your reasoning is bleh.
Xym? Maybe. But he's got the worst claim I've ever seen a wolf make if he's a wolf.
Landlubber? You hedge your bets on him and double down on the wrongness about me.

Man, if Cuthillius flips scum, I want KingMorgan hung immediately thereafter.

I think your town list is stolen from mine.

I begin crossing off names on his orange list which I think are wrong, or the reason leads to the opposite conclusion.

Csargo is easy to put as orange because he has done zero.
Remake is easy because he's ATPG's top red candidate at the moment, and there's zero reason to mark him off as green even if he is a townie. Which is why inactive townies are actively helpful to the scumbags because they provide cover.
Me? That was a poor move.
Xym had nothing in his favor, and it's only my gut telling me his explanation for his lurking and his role are null, and townie stuff, respectively.

Leaves landlubber who doesn't trust me, and vice-versa. Doesn't matter what LL's alignment is, not marking him off as townie is a good move here.

Cuthilius. "If remake20 flips scum, give him a look" This is essentially my case against remake20 and Cuthilius almost verbatim. He's stolen my reasoning, but if remake20 is a townie, and Cuth is a townie, this is perfect for a scumbag to say. If remake20 is a townie, and Cuth is a scumbag, this is perfect for a scumbag to say. If remake20 is a scumbag and Cuth is a townie, this is perfect for a scumbag to say.

^This is the motive. The scum motive. The scum pretense at solving, and the scum manipulation.

And there's zero effort put into his town leans. Any of them could be scum, and you can't tell them apart.

He's not a townie.
 
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