Traits and unique units tied to leaders?!

[Loppan Torkel]

Since the traits now seem to be tied to the leaders instead of the actual civs, it might be the case that the same goes for the unique units, which also means that the civs with two leaders could have two unique units.

Just for the fun of it - What unique unit suits which leader?

Americans - George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt
Arab - (Saladin?)
Aztecs - Montezuma Ilhuicamina
Chinese - Qin Shi Huang Di and Mao Ze Dong
Egyptians - Hatshepsut
England - Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth
France - Napoleon and Louis XIV
Germans - Otto von Bismarck
Incans - (?)
Indians - Mahatma Ghandi
Japanese - (?)
Mali - (?)
Mongols - Genghis Khan - Keshik
Persians - Cyrus
Romans - Julius Ceasar - Legion, Praetorian ?
Russians - (?)
Spanish - (?)
(Greeks?) - (Alexander the Great?)

 

[CJNyfalt]

Since the traits now seem to be tied to the leaders instead of the actual civs, it might be the case that the same goes for the unique units, which also means that the civs with two leaders could have two unique units.

Just for the fun of it - What unique unit suits which leader?

Americans - George Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt

George - Continental Infantry (lower cost compared to what it replaces)
FDR - Either a stronger bomber or some type of carrier (escort or super)

Arab - (Saladin?)
Aztecs - Montezuma Ilhuicamina

Eagle or Jaguar warriors

Chinese - Qin Shi Huang Di and Mao Ze Dong
Egyptians - Hatshepsut
England - Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth

Liz - Better ships.
Vicky - Probably a land unit.

France - Napoleon and Louis XIV

Louis - Musketeers
Napoleon - Imperial Guard?

Germans - Otto von Bismarck

Faster workers? Better Artillery?

Incans - (?)
Indians - Mahatma Ghandi
Japanese - (?)

Samurais & Super Battleships?

Mali - (?)
Mongols - Genghis Khan - Keshik
Persians - Cyrus
Romans - Julius Ceasar - Legion, Praetorian ?
Russians - (?)
Spanish - (?)
(Greeks?) - (Alexander the Great?)

Hoplites, Phalanx or Companion Cavalry. An Athenian leader would probably give Triremes.

 

[CoolioVonHoolio]

i dont understand what you are trying to say lop tor

 

[Loppan Torkel]

i dont understand what you are trying to say lop tor

Ok. In civ 3 each civ had a set of traits, a unique unit and a leaderhead. If we take America for example - they were expansionists and industrial, which suits them well according to their entire history, imo. They had F-15 as a unique unit, which for my arguments sake is from their peak, and Abraham Lincoln as a fitting leader.
These things however have not that much to do with eachother, and from what it seems Firaxis is now tying the traits to the leaders instead, probably so they can get more out of the most popular civs and to easier, and with less controversy, give each civ a fitting flavour.

So I'm guessing that the unique units will be tied to the leaderheads instead of the civs' entire history, which means that some civs will have two unique units, but not at the same game, and that they come from the same period as the leaderhead.

And to strengthen my argument both the Legion and the Praetorian has been mentioned, but I'm not sure how different they are. Aren't they from the same timeperiod? perhaps they're the same..?

 

[Saltylicious]

I think this is an awesome idea! I really hope they do this...

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

A few ideas of mine

Americans
George Washington - Minuteman
Franklin D. Roosevelt - M4 Sherman, or B-17 Flying Fortress
Aztecs
Montezuma Ilhuicamina - Jaguar Warrior
England
Queen Elizabeth - Perhaps Longbowman or Man-o-War
Queen Victoria -
France
Napoleon - Voltigeur or Imperial Guard
Louis XIV - Musketeer
Germany
Otto von Bismarck - Fusilier or Cuirassier. Tuetonic Knight would also work, but doesn't connect with Bismark.
Incans
Inti Warrior, or make the Chasqui a better unit
Japanese
For a shogun, obviously a Samurai. Maybe a Zero for an early 20th Century Emperor
Mongols
Genghis Khan - Keshik
Persians
Cyrus - Immortals
Romans
Julius Ceasar - Legionary
Russians
Cossack, Jaegar, T-34(Altough I am not in favour of Stalin for a leader)
Spanish
Conquistador
Greeks
Alexander the Great - Hoplite

 

[Grohan]

And to strengthen my argument both the Legion and the Praetorian has been mentioned, but I'm not sure how different they are. Aren't they from the same timeperiod? perhaps they're the same..?

Praetorians were bodyguards while Legions were basic infantry units.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Praetorians were bodyguards while Legions were basic infantry units.

But civ-unit-wise they seem to be basically the same, and the from the same timeperiod, which makes two Roman leaders seem strange. Maybe the Praetorians are non-buildable and come every five-turns or so for some suitable Roman leader, Augustus(?), like for a homeland defense. Perhaps the less war-inclined leaders don't get the ordinary, military unique unit...?

 

[OLX]

A few ideas of mine

Americans
George Washington - Minuteman
Franklin D. Roosevelt - M4 Sherman, or B-17 Flying Fortress
Aztecs
Montezuma Ilhuicamina - Jaguar Warrior
England
Queen Elizabeth - Perhaps Longbowman or Man-o-War
Queen Victoria -
France
Napoleon - Voltigeur or Imperial Guard
Louis XIV - Musketeer
Germany
Otto von Bismarck - Fusilier or Cuirassier. Tuetonic Knight would also work, but doesn't connect with Bismark.
Incans
Inti Warrior, or make the Chasqui a better unit
Japanese
For a shogun, obviously a Samurai. Maybe a Zero for an early 20th Century Emperor
Mongols
Genghis Khan - Keshik
Persians
Cyrus - Immortals
Romans
Julius Ceasar - Legionary
Russians
Cossack, Jaegar, T-34(Altough I am not in favour of Stalin for a leader)
Spanish
Conquistador
Greeks
Alexander the Great - Hoplite

That Last Comment about Japan? Might there be a chance that Emperor Meiji is a Possible Leaderhead? He fits all the Criteria having lead Japan to its greatest of Cultural and Technological Growth since the time of Tokugawa Ieyasu. Hirohito just doesn't fit the picture.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

That Last Comment about Japan? Might there be a chance that Emperor Meiji is a Possible Leaderhead? He fits all the Criteria having lead Japan to its greatest of Cultural and Technological Growth since the time of Tokugawa Ieyasu. Hirohito just doesn't fit the picture.

There has been nothing mentioned of Meiji. I am just speculating, and saying that if they did give us an Emperor instead of a Shogun, it would probably have a Zero UU.

 

[CJNyfalt]

A few ideas of mine
Spanish
Conquistador

A Spanish medieval leader might the Knights of Santiago as UU.

 

[OLX]

There has been nothing mentioned of Meiji. I am just speculating, and saying that if they did give us an Emperor instead of a Shogun, it would probably have a Zero UU.

My Intention too for my comments, Speculation is all it is.

 

[Saltylicious]

Wouldn't Queen Victoria's UU be a Man-o-War and Elizabeth's some sort of privateer?

Though I would prefer it if one of them had a land UU.

 

[Gnarfflinger]

Alternate for America would be Abe Lincoln with a version of the Riflemen to reflect the Civil war forces.

Egyptians, War Chariots for ancient (Ramses or Cleopatra), or Mamaluk (Knights) for Medieval times

Alternate for France would be Charlamaigne, and his UU would be some variant of the Knight.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Roosevelt could also have a Marine or Carrier UU (reflecting the other arena of the war) although a bomber would probably be best, as those were used on Both arenas of the war.

And I definitely think Meiji would be an excellent choice, perhaps with a Riflemen UU

 

[Belboz]

What would the advantage of the M4 Sherman be? One-half the offensive and defensive value of other tanks, but could be produced at 1/4 the cost?

Suppose the different rulers had their own unique leaders (Like occurred in Civ 3)? Who would the Americans get?

Washington:
Horatio Gates: No combat bonus, but takes credit for victories no matter where they occur on the map.
Benedict Arnold: Double combat bonus, but occasionally tries to hand West Point over to the British.
Ethan Allen. Double offensive and defensive bonus in hills and mountains.
John Paul Jones. Double offensive and defensive bonus for naval units but will attack enemy fleets regardless of hope for success.

Roosevelt:
MacArthur: When removed from game, will return from anywhere. Also, takes credit for victories, no matter where they occur on map.
Eisenhower: Can take command of any American, British, or French units on map.
Patton: Double offensive bonus, but will attempt to attack any units commanded by Montgomery or Rommel, no matter what the diplomatic relations between the Americans and Britain or Germany

 

[sydhe]

Victoria would be a battleship of some sort. If you're willing to fudge, a Dreadnought.

The Mali ruler should be Mansa Musa or maybe Sundiata Keita. They should receive an advantage on gold production, but I can't think of what kind of warrior.

 

[Nobody]

Queen Victoria's UU be a Man-o-War

by then they had big metal ships

 

[Belboz]

The Mali, being located on the Sahel south of the Sahara, should have some cavalry unit with a camel as the mount. A movement bonus, perhaps?

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

I think I heard that the Mali UU is a Camel Archer.