What do you think of the Leaders?

[Wabnosa]

Nelson Mandela? Central America is lacking any age any civ.

 

[AD1730]

I suspect a reaction to Civ VI, which was considered to have too many Greek leaders and civs: Greece, Byzantium, Macedon, Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, Basil, etc.

I confess, at times it did smack of a set of leaders and civs put together at Oxford University prior to the 19th century: All Classical Greeks, All The Time.

On the other hand, having done my thesis years ago on Alexander the Great, I wasn't too unhappy . . .

I get that they typically aren’t a release civ, but not including Byzantium or its leaders in a game with a civ switching mechanic leaves a big gap in my opinion.

 

[mitsho]

Somebody just suggested Tadeusz Kościuszko as he fought in the American and Polish Revolutions (which he's been overshadowed by Casimir Pulaski) and I had no idea he existed today, so I can see where you are coming from.

That was me, and to prove a point, I had never heard of Casimir Pulaski on the other hand ;-) Though between the two, Engineer + Philosopher on National Identity sounds more interesting than "Cavalry" Man. Also - when I looked it up just now - the story of his will for his American Fortune being an instruction to Benjamin Franklin to use the money to buy freedom for Benjamin Franklins slaves which Benjamin Franklin then didn't do, that's just a great story. But with Franklin and Lafayette, we really don't need another contemporary there. See any of the other Revolutionaries mentioned just now.

So no Greek leaders, just for the lols?

It does seem strange. I don't see a modern era Greek Leader though, so I guess we will have to wait for a DLC. I'm betting on Odysseus - is he historically documented? Ah, doesn't matter. Would be cool. Maybe together with Hector on the other side.

 

[Zaarin]

I'm betting on Odysseus - is he historically documented? Ah, doesn't matter. Would be cool. Maybe together with Hector on the other side.

None of Homer's heroes are certainly documented. There is some indirect evidence that some have interpreted as Agamemnon, Priam, and Paris, but not with anything like certainty. Generally speaking, most historians now agree that Homer's epics are historical fiction but possibly with a grain of historical truth--there was certainly a place called Wilusa/Ilion/Troy, it may or may not have been besieged by the Achaians, but most of the major players are probably fictional. I do love Odysseus, but Greece has no shortage of attested notable figures. (Also, Hector was the hero of the Iliad. You cannot change my mind.)

 

[mitsho]

Oh I agree, Hector is not the villain here. I still want Odysseus though. There's still place for some historical Greeks.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Throughout history there has been 4 ways of having power.

You can seize power through force of arms and maintain control through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates (or fear).

You can inherit power from a predecessor and rule through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates.

You can convince a majority of eligible electors that you will best represent their interests over your rivals.

Or you can use words and deeds to persuade both kings and commoners to choose specific courses of action and alter the chain of human events that we call history.

It is this last one, the Power of Persuasion, that has barely been touched by Civilization. Only Gandhi has served as the sole exemplar of this type of leader.

But it should not be undersold. Great Persuaders have molded our societies and cultures by showing us the way forward. They have been theologians, philosophers, scientists, humanitarians, etc. They do not threaten or bargain for power. They speak. They share. They do great deeds

And I, for one, am glad that this type of leader is being represented in Civ 7 beyond a single man.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Throughout history there has been 4 ways of having power.

You can seize power through force of arms and maintain control through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates (or fear).

You can inherit power from a predecessor and rule through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates.

You can convince a majority of eligible electors that you will best represent their interests over your rivals.

Or you can use words and deeds to persuade both kings and commoners to choose specific courses of action and alter the chain of human events that we call history.

It is this last one, the Power of Persuasion, that has barely been touched by Civilization. Only Gandhi has served as the sole exemplar of this type of leader.

But it should not be undersold. Great Persuaders have molded our societies and cultures by showing us the way forward. They have been theologians, philosophers, scientists, humanitarians, etc. They do not threaten or bargain for power. They speak. They share. They do great deeds

And I, for one, am glad that this type of leader is being represented in Civ 7 beyond a single man.

In addition to Kong Fu Tse and Machiavelli, I suggest that this is the category that could include such Civ VII-style leaders as Socrates (no matter what you say to him, he replies with a question) and Solon from Greece, ibn Shaprut and Nizam al-MUlk from the Islamic world, Oxenstiern, Alciun or Richelieu from Europe.

 

[Glassmage]

terrible. Devs need to answer for their crime with these weird choices

 

[Bonyduck Campersang]

I get that they typically aren’t a release civ, but not including Byzantium or its leaders in a game with a civ switching mechanic leaves a big gap in my opinion.

They'll always be an expansion pack civ, to draw all the Byzaboos and Hellenophiles into purchasing it

 

[reddishrecue]

I just can't wait to try them all out! It'll be like civ 4 again with the expansion of the new civs... I will try them out someday though that's for sure depending on what their unique abilities are. Even if their unique abilities aren't as good as the others, I'll still try them out. I find that entertaining. Or I would stay with the civilization that is more adjacent to where I live.

 

[Lord Lakely]

Catherine the Great - S
Welcome back, queen.

 

[Xyael]

Catherine looks too strong

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

If we're talking gameplay, I'm liking the look of Lafayette and Catherine! The devs were saving the peaceful leaders for last, I suppose...

 

[The_goggles_do_nothing]

Catherine looks too strong

The have fixed her ability on the website:

Star of the North: Increased Culture per Age on displayed Great Works. Buildings with Great Work slots gain an additional slot. Cities settled in Tundra gain Science equal to a percentage of their Culture per turn.

 

[Zennock]

If we're talking gameplay, I'm liking the look of Lafayette and Catherine! The devs were saving the peaceful leaders for last, I suppose...

Genghis Khan fans in shambles, haha.

 

[Aristotle Kzin]

I just can't wait to try them all out! It'll be like civ 4 again with the expansion of the new civs... I will try them out someday though that's for sure depending on what their unique abilities are. Even if their unique abilities aren't as good as the others, I'll still try them out. I find that entertaining. Or I would stay with the civilization that is more adjacent to where I live.

Lol the only so-far-announced civ that is 'local' to me is Majapahit (I'm in Australia)! Unless you count the British Empire!

 

[reddishrecue]

Lol the only so-far-announced civ that is 'local' to me is Majapahit (I'm in Australia)! Unless you count the British Empire!

Haha, since I'm in western USA, my civ is America since its closest.

 

[Inotrobot]

Catherine looks too strong

I'm sorry, I'm new. Can you explain what makes Catherine look too strong?

 

[Seek]

I'm sorry, I'm new. Can you explain what makes Catherine look too strong?

There was a typo in the original OP that gave her Amina's abilities as well

 

[Inotrobot]

There was a typo in the original OP that gave her Amina's abilities as well

Oh lol! Thanks