So no Greek leaders, just for the lols?
I don't like the salad approach of choosing leaders from other eras/cultures for your civ which then morphs into whatever itself. Usually one paragon of whatever is enough.
Reminds me of the meme basis of stuff like "the druids would have come up with Archimedes' method too".
So no Greek leaders, just for the lols?
I don't like the salad approach of choosing leaders from other eras/cultures for your civ which then morphs into whatever itself. Usually one paragon of whatever is enough.
Reminds me of the meme basis of stuff like "the druids would have come up with Archimedes' method too".
I suspect a reaction to Civ VI, which was considered to have too many Greek leaders and civs: Greece, Byzantium, Macedon, Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, Basil, etc.
I confess, at times it did smack of a set of leaders and civs put together at Oxford University prior to the 19th century: All Classical Greeks, All The Time.
On the other hand, having done my thesis years ago on Alexander the Great, I wasn't too unhappy . . .
I suspect a reaction to Civ VI, which was considered to have too many Greek leaders and civs: Greece, Byzantium, Macedon, Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, Basil, etc.
I confess, at times it did smack of a set of leaders and civs put together at Oxford University prior to the 19th century: All Classical Greeks, All The Time.
On the other hand, having done my thesis years ago on Alexander the Great, I wasn't too unhappy . . .
I get that they typically aren’t a release civ, but not including Byzantium or its leaders in a game with a civ switching mechanic leaves a big gap in my opinion.
Somebody just suggested Tadeusz Kościuszko as he fought in the American and Polish Revolutions (which he's been overshadowed by Casimir Pulaski) and I had no idea he existed today, so I can see where you are coming from.
That was me, and to prove a point, I had never heard of Casimir Pulaski on the other hand ;-) Though between the two, Engineer + Philosopher on National Identity sounds more interesting than "Cavalry" Man. Also - when I looked it up just now - the story of his will for his American Fortune being an instruction to Benjamin Franklin to use the money to buy freedom for Benjamin Franklins slaves which Benjamin Franklin then didn't do, that's just a great story. But with Franklin and Lafayette, we really don't need another contemporary there. See any of the other Revolutionaries mentioned just now.
It does seem strange. I don't see a modern era Greek Leader though, so I guess we will have to wait for a DLC. I'm betting on Odysseus - is he historically documented? Ah, doesn't matter. Would be cool. Maybe together with Hector on the other side.
None of Homer's heroes are certainly documented. There is some indirect evidence that some have interpreted as Agamemnon, Priam, and Paris, but not with anything like certainty. Generally speaking, most historians now agree that Homer's epics are historical fiction but possibly with a grain of historical truth--there was certainly a place called Wilusa/Ilion/Troy, it may or may not have been besieged by the Achaians, but most of the major players are probably fictional. I do love Odysseus, but Greece has no shortage of attested notable figures. (Also, Hector was the hero of the Iliad. You cannot change my mind.)
Throughout history there has been 4 ways of having power.
You can seize power through force of arms and maintain control through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates (or fear).
You can inherit power from a predecessor and rule through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates.
You can convince a majority of eligible electors that you will best represent their interests over your rivals.
Or you can use words and deeds to persuade both kings and commoners to choose specific courses of action and alter the chain of human events that we call history.
It is this last one, the Power of Persuasion, that has barely been touched by Civilization. Only Gandhi has served as the sole exemplar of this type of leader.
But it should not be undersold. Great Persuaders have molded our societies and cultures by showing us the way forward. They have been theologians, philosophers, scientists, humanitarians, etc. They do not threaten or bargain for power. They speak. They share. They do great deeds
And I, for one, am glad that this type of leader is being represented in Civ 7 beyond a single man.
Throughout history there has been 4 ways of having power.
You can seize power through force of arms and maintain control through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates (or fear).
You can inherit power from a predecessor and rule through the mutual benefit of chosen subordinates.
You can convince a majority of eligible electors that you will best represent their interests over your rivals.
Or you can use words and deeds to persuade both kings and commoners to choose specific courses of action and alter the chain of human events that we call history.
It is this last one, the Power of Persuasion, that has barely been touched by Civilization. Only Gandhi has served as the sole exemplar of this type of leader.
But it should not be undersold. Great Persuaders have molded our societies and cultures by showing us the way forward. They have been theologians, philosophers, scientists, humanitarians, etc. They do not threaten or bargain for power. They speak. They share. They do great deeds
And I, for one, am glad that this type of leader is being represented in Civ 7 beyond a single man.
In addition to Kong Fu Tse and Machiavelli, I suggest that this is the category that could include such Civ VII-style leaders as Socrates (no matter what you say to him, he replies with a question) and Solon from Greece, ibn Shaprut and Nizam al-MUlk from the Islamic world, Oxenstiern, Alciun or Richelieu from Europe.
I get that they typically aren’t a release civ, but not including Byzantium or its leaders in a game with a civ switching mechanic leaves a big gap in my opinion.
I just can't wait to try them all out! It'll be like civ 4 again with the expansion of the new civs... I will try them out someday though that's for sure depending on what their unique abilities are. Even if their unique abilities aren't as good as the others, I'll still try them out. I find that entertaining. Or I would stay with the civilization that is more adjacent to where I live.
Star of the North: Increased Culture per Age on displayed Great Works. Buildings with Great Work slots gain an additional slot. Cities settled in Tundra gain Science equal to a percentage of their Culture per turn.
I just can't wait to try them all out! It'll be like civ 4 again with the expansion of the new civs... I will try them out someday though that's for sure depending on what their unique abilities are. Even if their unique abilities aren't as good as the others, I'll still try them out. I find that entertaining. Or I would stay with the civilization that is more adjacent to where I live.
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