Tupac03 - Aztecs in Space

[CommandoBob]

Since this is Vanilla, is RCP considered an exploit?

In Nero04, Post #385, we did a palace jump. Would this instance of a Palace Jump be considered an exploit in this game?

Can we (not will we) be able to build the Great Library?

At some point we will need to build the UN, just so no one else does (a no-brainer).

I would like to think that the Alpha Aztecs could conquer their land mass fairly quickly and keep the other landmass in a constant state of turmoil, allowing us to research in peace while they fight each other. Or we could eliminate all but one of the other civs. Don't know which is best; will depend on the game. Just thinking out loud.

Do we have to use Aztec city names? Couldn't they be Australian Aztecs that have dreams of inter-stellar glory?

(Note: I sometimes use expressions that may be "local" and may not make sense to anyone. I try to avoid doing this, but I still make mistakes. If I say anything that is not clear, feel free to ask me what I meant. If you don't understand what I meant, no one else did either.)

By the way, I live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area of the state of Texas, US, GMT -6.

 

[Merlin]

Do we have to use Aztec city names? Couldn't they be Australian Aztecs that have dreams of inter-stellar glory?

Fine by me. In 2004 I spent six months backpacking around Australia...

 

[tupaclives]

@vmxa - armies in vanilla cannot attack nearly as well as in C3C, nor can they pillage, that is correct however as I said, you can improvise, a defensive army (which you'd use for pillagin anyway) covering a horse or something similiar, you move the army onto the tile and then follow with a horse (or 2 move unit) and pillage with that unit.
My personal opinion is that is the greatest use for armies and they are very useful on any map or victory type.

@CommandoBob & Andronicus - I don't consider F10 an exploit. Mapstat and Civassist you are welcome to use although I myself have never found much use for them aside from checking the domination limit and the like. I'd rather you not use it to check what techs the other civs have, you can make fairly good assumptions from looking at the in-game stuff anyway.

@Just CommandoBo - I do not consider a free palace jump to be an exploit provided that it is not used to jump the palace to some far away location to eliminate corruption.
RCP is not an exploit however I consider the Remote Palace Jump to be an exploit.
If we can i see nothing wrong with building the Great Library however I would prefer not to build it at the detriment of our empire. Rushing it with a leader for example or dedicating a high shield city to it once we are up and running.
I see nothing wrong with using Australian/Aztec city name crosses if noone else has a problem.

 

[Andronicus]

@vmxa - armies in vanilla cannot attack, that is correct however as I said, you can improvise, a defensive army (which you'd use for pillagin anyway) covering a horse or something similiar, you move the army onto the tile and then follow with a horse (or 2 move unit) and pillage with that unit.
My personal opinion is that is the greatest use for armies and they are very useful on any map or victory type.

I've no doubt vanilla armies dont stack up with conquests - vmxa's analysis was spot on. However this game is vanilla so the point is moot. We use armies as they are able to in vanilla - defensive units to protect pillager

Mapstat and Civassist you are welcome to use although I myself have never found much use for them aside from checking the domination limit and the like. I'd rather you not use it to check what techs the other civs have, you can make fairly good assumptions from looking at the in-game stuff anyway.

The tech info avail is the same as in there F4 screen - just you dont have to go through the leaders 1 by 1. If you are at war and they will not talk then civassist will not show the info just as you cannot find this from F4

I see nothing wrong with using Australian/Aztec city name crosses if noone else has a problem.

I'll provide the South Aussie names
lets start with Oodnadatta, Orroroo, Kalangadoo,Andamooka

 

[tupaclives]

I've no doubt vanilla armies dont stack up with conquests - vmxa's analysis was spot on.

Oh I never disputed the fact that armies in vanilla are inferior to those in Conquests but there seems to be this myth that armies in vanilla are useless and I was trying to show that although they are not as effective as in conquests they are a very useful and effective tool if used properly.

The tech info avail is the same as in there F4 screen - just you dont have to go through the leaders 1 by 1. If you are at war and they will not talk then civassist will not show the info just as you cannot find this from F4

Ahh i see, i personally dont use either but I was under the impression that with them u could see all the techs that a civ has even beyond the tier you are at (so for example if u didnt have PP but another civ had Free Artistry you would be able to see that they had Free Artistry)

I'll provide the South Aussie names
lets start with Oodnadatta, Orroroo, Kalangadoo,Andamooka

Alright but I'll supply the Queensland names and classical_hero the WA names


We'll have to let Merlin and CommandoBob contribute names obviously though

 

[classical_hero]

Why don't we just name th cities oursleves and it should not matter because we have put our own imput into them. It has been awhile since I have played . I have a problem as it keeps closing whenever I try and open a save.

 

[tupaclives]

Are you sure you are patched up to 1.29?

 

[classical_hero]

I have everything the latest. For some reason the game CTDs. It looks like I will have to sit this one out until I can get this fixed. Unless someone knows what might be the Problem. It happens whenever I am about to enter the save after it has loaded.

 

[tupaclives]

Could you post a screenshot?

 

[classical_hero]

All that happens is when I go into the save, after it has loaded This is just a sample picture because I am now in

When I click to enter, the game CTD.

 

[tupaclives]

The saves yo uare trying to load, they are vanilla saves arnt they? Have you tried opening the save I posted?

 

[classical_hero]

Give me some credit. I just used a conquest save for a pictoral purposes only.

 

[tupaclives]

Sorry mate I was just trying to look like I had some clue how to fix it

 

[classical_hero]

I thought vanilla would considering that Conquests works. I have no idea why this happens, because I thought that having a more difficult progrm to work would mean that a smaller program would be fine. It looks like I will be a lurker because if I have uninstal and then reinstall the program for it to work, then I will not be bothered to do that, because it is just too much of a hassle for me. I am quite as a result of this.

 

[tupaclives]

Alright in that case we'll open your spot up, if you get Vanilla working letting your welcome to rejoin the team, if not then theres not much we can do about it.

That means there is still an open spot.

New Roster:

tupaclives
Andronicus
CommandoBob
Merlin
Open

i'll wait until getting a 5th team member before starting.

 

[CommandoBob]

I thought vanilla would considering that Conquests works. I have no idea why this happens, because I thought that having a more difficult progrm to work would mean that a smaller program would be fine. It looks like I will be a lurker because if I have uninstal and then reinstall the program for it to work, then I will not be bothered to do that, because it is just too much of a hassle for me. I am quite as a result of this.

I had problems getting Vanilla to run under PTW. I had tried to patch an already patched-out-of-the-box Civ vanilla, not knowing it was already patched, which I think created the problem in the first place. I got desperate and copied the Civ vanilla exe file from the PTW CD onto my hard drive and vanilla has worked fine ever since.

The issue I had was that the game would not start, which is different from what you are describing.

Umm, can you open the save with PTW or C3C?

 

[classical_hero]

I now have tried to open it with conquests and surprise, it actually works in conguests, so it seems that I can be part of this game. I am playing it right now. There is one problem, I can now build airfields from the start, but I will not do that since it should come with a latter tech. The good news is that I am back in the game. I will see if I can ply it in

 

[classical_hero]

Note to self: We are not agricultural anymore, we are back to religious and militaristic as our traits, so it doe not matter too much not settling on a fresh water source.

First turn I move directly east. While it means that in the first ten turns before growth, we cannot access the cows, we will get them, but it seems to be a risky choice because we are right near some jungle and that is not good for our cores. I am producing a Jag as the first unit, unfortunately it is not a car. Here are some pictures that represent what I did for the first few turns.
Here is our captial, Perth.


Here is the known world after settling Perth.


I started on Alphabet as this is the mosst expensive to go for and all techs will take 40 turns no matter what.


Now one of the first things that I will do is connect us to that fur so that we can leave the lux rate lower for longer and thus we can research quicker.

On turn six I produce our first jag, now we shall explore quickly with it.

turn seven: We meet America and we trade Ceremonial Burial and Warrior code for Pottery and 10g, since we need that for Granaries and this is quite important for us. I know I am paying quite a bit for it, but it is better than researching it ourselves.

Turn 14 we meet Germany and we get Bronze working for Pottery

Turn 30 We are war with the Germans. They destroyed a city of ours. We must now get going because we do not have much. We are really up against it since we have some spears, warriors and Archers coming towards us, so we must be strong against them and hopefully we can do some damage to them.

Here is the map as I leave it.


and


The next player must help us win the war against the Germans.

 

[Andronicus]

That cant be right - it was the Japs who invaded Australia in WWII (or was it the English who invaded Australia in the European invasion ?)

Seriously those aggressive Germans are about the last civ you want on your starting continent at higher levels. Did they demand tribute initially or just do their usual sneak attack?

Are we in our GA?

We need writing to get American alliance, we need ....

DONT PANIC

Now if those Germanss would just go away we have a nice setup for 4 turn warrior / setter factory operating size 4.5 to 6.5 (req granary and rax for vets) with room for a few more 4 ring cities.
Wishful thinking ??

 

[tupaclives]

Uh we have a slight problem with the game...

I didnt even make it to loading the game, as soon as I tried to open it that happened.

You can open a Vanilla game with conquests... once saved it cannot be opened by vanilla.

I dont have conquests at all, thats why this game is vanilla instead of conquests or even PTW.

Suggestions lads?