AlphaShard
Emperor
I agree with this our military has been minimal and suffered unaffordable losses to the Mavericks.
Turn Discussion Thread
- Thread starter Lord Parkin
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but we have two blindspots:
If we're about to buffup for an offensive, I think it's better to shape up our defences a bit as I really don't like thier current state. And not only on Sirus. The bode can be preaty much blown off by a light breeze.
I don't think we have the units or gold to get that island in a short time, too. Have you guys seen the ammount of stuff is there? Will it be with Nationhood or Universal Sufrage(or even back to slavery), there's no way we can surprise anyone soon.
And we're still not giving marble to Amazons? Why? We're not using it. I thought we wore bulding a Wonder. Gift the marble untill Mizar doesn't comes out of resistance. Amazons is the only civ that we can go at it at the end and we're screwing it up bad.
We need to talk to them one-on-one, fast, or we'll get a not so pleasant surprise after 1500AD.
They seem to be prepared to cut us off from the rest of the world(From Mizar, through Spot B, to Nabaxica). They can also settle at that spot and choke Alcor from us if they get Mizar:
How about we propose them to settle on the "potencial filler city" above Rigel and we settle Spire so that we keep Mizar?(Still sounds like a shity deal for them, but at least is right on their doorsteap).
Spoiler :
Spoiler :
If we're about to buffup for an offensive, I think it's better to shape up our defences a bit as I really don't like thier current state. And not only on Sirus. The bode can be preaty much blown off by a light breeze.
I don't think we have the units or gold to get that island in a short time, too. Have you guys seen the ammount of stuff is there? Will it be with Nationhood or Universal Sufrage(or even back to slavery), there's no way we can surprise anyone soon.
And we're still not giving marble to Amazons? Why? We're not using it. I thought we wore bulding a Wonder. Gift the marble untill Mizar doesn't comes out of resistance. Amazons is the only civ that we can go at it at the end and we're screwing it up bad.
We need to talk to them one-on-one, fast, or we'll get a not so pleasant surprise after 1500AD.
They seem to be prepared to cut us off from the rest of the world(From Mizar, through Spot B, to Nabaxica). They can also settle at that spot and choke Alcor from us if they get Mizar:
Spoiler :
How about we propose them to settle on the "potencial filler city" above Rigel and we settle Spire so that we keep Mizar?(Still sounds like a shity deal for them, but at least is right on their doorsteap).
AlphaShard
Emperor
I think it's safe to say that Bulbmuz is the only one against the lending of Marble.
Cause look at it from Amazon's POV as Trystero points out, they figure they are about to finally get their own Marble after agreeing to letting us have Rigel. Then in we swoop and take the city and then deny them the Marble, it seems like were doing it on purpose.
Cause look at it from Amazon's POV as Trystero points out, they figure they are about to finally get their own Marble after agreeing to letting us have Rigel. Then in we swoop and take the city and then deny them the Marble, it seems like were doing it on purpose.
Or just give them the marble, they won't think we're denying them marble then either. If it really is everyone except Blubmuz that thinks we should then I'm going to call that a majority. I'd figured Husch was against it as well though?
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AlphaShard
Emperor
This is the closet I found Needing Marble for HE
So he may be against as well, hopefully he'll log in soon and he can cast a more sure vote for this issue. So far it's
For Marble Trade:
Trystero
Irgy
Alltiira
Alphashard
Against:
Bulbmuz
Undecided:
Husch
Lord Parkin (He will post if someone PM/IM/Emails him)
1889 (He did post recently)
EDIT: I agree on the quick and consistent communications not just on the Diplo front but in our own forum. There have been times where it would be days until someone posted. Let's keep this recent activity up. EVen if someone can't log into the game, at least a post here to keep things flowing.
So he may be against as well, hopefully he'll log in soon and he can cast a more sure vote for this issue. So far it's
For Marble Trade:
Trystero
Irgy
Alltiira
Alphashard
Against:
Bulbmuz
Undecided:
Husch
Lord Parkin (He will post if someone PM/IM/Emails him)
1889 (He did post recently)
EDIT: I agree on the quick and consistent communications not just on the Diplo front but in our own forum. There have been times where it would be days until someone posted. Let's keep this recent activity up. EVen if someone can't log into the game, at least a post here to keep things flowing.
Alltrilla
There is no blind spot in zhe north, because the frigate goes every turn there, and then see 5 tiles. The west spot is possible. we 've not enough marine units.
In the north of Rigel there is Ama-Land
We shouldn't settle near spot B. We 've enough culture trouble with them.
For marple it 'll important to have it in 1130 for building HE. No diplo is reason for not having it.
Btw
There are too many parts discussed in the moment.
There is no blind spot in zhe north, because the frigate goes every turn there, and then see 5 tiles. The west spot is possible. we 've not enough marine units.
In the north of Rigel there is Ama-Land
We shouldn't settle near spot B. We 've enough culture trouble with them.
For marple it 'll important to have it in 1130 for building HE. No diplo is reason for not having it.
Btw
There are too many parts discussed in the moment.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
I'm not against lend marble to Ama.
I suspect you ovelooked this
But i just attached the GG to our Cuirass, which is now a super medic with Morale.
Thus we can inform Ama that the marble will be at their disposal in 2 turns.
I also changed the queue in Arcturus to build the HE in 2 turns, queued a dike and a library after it. The library costs 1 turn, i think it's worth.
I also noticed that both Arcturus and Vega have health problems. I suggest an Harbor in both after the queued buildings. Then military, more military.
I think Altria can be right about a possible invasion from Mavs. Better put a couple frigates between them and Bode. Waiting for them, 2 EIs will suffice.
I suspect you ovelooked this
But i just attached the GG to our Cuirass, which is now a super medic with Morale.
Thus we can inform Ama that the marble will be at their disposal in 2 turns.
I also changed the queue in Arcturus to build the HE in 2 turns, queued a dike and a library after it. The library costs 1 turn, i think it's worth.
I also noticed that both Arcturus and Vega have health problems. I suggest an Harbor in both after the queued buildings. Then military, more military.
I think Altria can be right about a possible invasion from Mavs. Better put a couple frigates between them and Bode. Waiting for them, 2 EIs will suffice.
AlphaShard
Emperor
Problem is that you have to wait ten turns once you make a trade, you can't break it for those turns. So we couldn't get it right back.
BLubmuz
HoF Quattromaster
Not a problem!
Luckily we did not lend them, so it's enough just inform Ama that we give it in 2 turns.
I think the 10 turns can be overriden if they will trade our resource. Never tested, curious to know if it can work.
AlphaShard
Emperor
You could probably over ride it by destroying the improved tile.
At any rate waiting 2 turns sounds better then the other options. Let's see if that will work for everyone else.
At any rate waiting 2 turns sounds better then the other options. Let's see if that will work for everyone else.
AlphaShard
Emperor
We did discuss Husch, or at least there was discussion about it.
Morale is good to get the healer unit out of danger and to the wounded units quicker.
Morale is good to get the healer unit out of danger and to the wounded units quicker.
Where? I cannot see any.
Well, if they get Mizar and settle there they will choke Alcor.
Not only the Maverics.
Can someone tell what espionage points other civs have on us?
Also, why the blockade if they have open sea behind them?
AlphaShard
Emperor
Yes just put the mouse pointer over each Civ name.
Also I made mention of moving the ships, if Bulb hasn't done it yet then anyone can move them to the coast.
Also Mav does not have Astro, so they will need alot of galleys.
Also I made mention of moving the ships, if Bulb hasn't done it yet then anyone can move them to the coast.
Also Mav does not have Astro, so they will need alot of galleys.
Trystero
Deity
BLubmuz, I don't think you understand the point of lending marble to Amazon. We are not giving it to them just because they need it. We are letting them have it to show that we value them as an ally. This is diplomacy not strategy. Making Amazon wait ANOTHER 2 turns because we want to use the marble will reinforce the point that we are trying to convince them is not true: that we are bad allies, who only look out for ourselves.
They asked for marble. We told them we were using it to construct Taj, and would let them have it when we had finished the wonder. We have finished that wonder (and another we did not tell them about, although we were supposed to). Now they correctly assume that we should lend them the marble, and have delayed building their own wonder to wait for the marble. And you want them to wait longer so we can finish another wonder? How is this not breaking our word?
I am tired of making this point over and over again. We are playing against humans, not AI. If you want to maintain an alliance you have to act in a manner that demonstrates that is the case.
Diplomacy is a key part of multiplayer games. You seem to want to ignore it entirely.
How can Mav attack us?
alltria speak about attack from our allies.
For promotion imo
If you can promote a attack unit, you wait allways til the last minute. After we give the general to the unit, there is no reason for promoting. There is allways the possibility we need another promotion. In this case the general-unit needs only the 3. promotion for HE. You play too much from a book, but we are playing against human enemies with many various ideas.
For defender there are sometimes reason for promote quick, but not allways.
alltria speak about attack from our allies.
For promotion imo
If you can promote a attack unit, you wait allways til the last minute. After we give the general to the unit, there is no reason for promoting. There is allways the possibility we need another promotion. In this case the general-unit needs only the 3. promotion for HE. You play too much from a book, but we are playing against human enemies with many various ideas.
For defender there are sometimes reason for promote quick, but not allways.
First we do't build HE now! That is (I hope) clear.
We can give m arple to Ama, if they can give it to us in 3 turns. Can they do it, or not? I don't know, if you can give
Alltria
We can see the western side of he map, so there is no reason to fear Quats or mavs attack to us.
We can give m arple to Ama, if they can give it to us in 3 turns. Can they do it, or not? I don't know, if you can give
Alltria
We can see the western side of he map, so there is no reason to fear Quats or mavs attack to us.
Trystero
Deity
Again, I will make the point that we should give Amazon the marble without conditions. The point here is to demonstrate that we are willing to make sacrifices on their behalf. Telling them when they need to give it back reinforces again, that we are helping them only when it is not too inconvenient for us. I really don't know why I can't seem to communicate this point.
