Turn Discussion Thread

[Trystero]

Just make sure Quat is not coming for our cities. We still haven't heard back from CDZ, so who knows what they know.

 

[AlphaShard]

Yeah that would be a very bad thing.

 

[BLubmuz]

Just make sure Quat is not coming for our cities. We still haven't heard back from CDZ, so who knows what they know.

It's a chance.

I thought this too, my opinions:
1. probabilities are low, but better wait they move the ships to land our units in the island
2. in case, the former Mavs cities are condemned to be conquered.
3. i doubt we can manage to keep at least one, much can depend if they unload all the units in a single tile. If so, we can probably concentrate on copper city all our units, mainly my beloved cannons and destroy them.
4. i noticed they have no siege. this is a bad thing for them, against Mavs or against us.

Let's keep frigates in range to fight theirs, then our EIs can fight with high chances their galleons.

Let's prepare for a massive diplo action, even if i think that would be the beginning of the final phase.

 

[Alltriia]

You posted what i said since months. (3 at least)

Yes, but the situation changed very rapidly(even in this month).


Do we have plans for the catapult stack? There's no way Q will wipe it out with the army we can see.

 

[BLubmuz]

Yes, but the situation changed very rapidly(even in this month).

Sure, but i foresight some, it's why i started speaking of break the ETT months ago. Now it's too late, IMO. In any case, it's not worth cry on spilt milk.

Do we have plans for the catapult stack? There's no way Q will wipe it out with the army we can see.

Sure we have! Cannons!!! the right answer.

 

[AlphaShard]

The Cavs if we could time things right.

So how screwed do you guys think we are on the Amazon front? I had an idea today, not sure if it's really a good one or not. It just depends on how bad you guys think the Amazon relationship is going, if it's salvageable or if we just just say screw it and burn the bridge? My idea is for after we take out Mavericks, the Amazon/CDZ/Quat may still be dealing with Merlot. They even seem to need or at least demand our help with taking out Merlot. What should we do during this time?

I've contemplated if we should help the Merlot as they hang from a tuft of grass over a cliffs edge. If you guys really feel that Amazon will be dog piling us soon.

 

[Irgy]

I don't think it's reached that stage, I don't think it would help that much, and I'd like to point out that it's a direct breach of our treaty.

 

[Alltriia]

Sure, but i foresight some, it's why i started speaking of break the ETT months ago. Now it's too late, IMO.

I don't think it is. We'll just have to find a way even if forcing it.

Sure we have! Cannons!!! the right answer.

Since you're more into the BTS war aspect, can you explain why cannons are better than cavalry against catapults? I get much better results testing with cavalry against catapults than cannons agains catapults.

This is also why I think it was a mistake to talk with Q. It would be better to let them go first on their own. Now if they reply we need to tell them what they are up against...if they are really aiming the Mavericks, that is.

 

[Irgy]

Since you're more into the BTS war aspect, can you explain why cannons are better than cavalry against catapults? I get much better results testing with cavalry against catapults than cannons agains catapults.

It's not that cannons are better against catapults than cavalry, it's that a large stack of catapults (followed by conventional unit support) is better against cavalry than it is against cannons. This is because cavalry, like most things, are vulnerable to collateral damage, while cannons are not.

It matters more how their units do against ours than how ours do against theirs because we have to land our units and give them the initiative.

This is also why I think it was a mistake to talk with Q. It would be better to let them go first on their own. Now if they reply we need to tell them what they are up against...if they are really aiming the Mavericks, that is.

Why do we need to tell them what they're up against in either case? Do they know that we know what's in the middle of Mavericks island? I don't recall telling them that.

 

[AlphaShard]

Well new turn is up and we have decisions to make!

Just a note on Emancipation we already have a +2 from it in Sirius, I predict this is going to be a major pain in the @$$.

My vote for civics is this:

Universal suffrage: I believe we will get more out of it then in Rep. we can use gold for Hammer production, we'd also get alot of hammers from our towns of which we have alot of on Sol island.

( I am fine however with staying on Representation, I'd rather stay there then loose out on the other civic changes)

Free Speech: I know we shouldn't antagonize them but now they've gone and selected Emancipation, however there is a +2 commerce for all towns, again of which we have alot of.

Emancipation: Believe me when I say that I'm fine with staying on Slavery, we haven't been doing specialist economy at all. However I do not want to suffer the , I've had experience with that and it is NOT fun seriously, it's easier to deal with whip then emancipation . Plus we get faster growing cottages so we'll add to our cottage economy when we take Mav island.

Free Market, I think all agree on this one.

Finally to make Husch happy I pick Theology.

I put in Sci Meth as a place holder but I think Irgy had a good idea about getting it to 1 turn away (were at 2 right now).

We got a new EI, dubbed it Normandy (someone can change it if they really want to).

Sommersword put in an immediate request for Economics, gave it them as we should. I loaded the GM on Ironside.

I'm not sure which is quicker loading the cannons on Normandy or Ironside. I think Normandy can get them on bode by 1210.

Also I did some checking Husch and if you click the culture button over the mini map when zoomed out there is still Maverick culture points around our newly captured cities. It will remain active until we push it out or Mavericks die, which ever comes first. Which is probably why the port area is blocked off, we haven't pushed it out enough yet.

 

[Trystero]

Well new turn is up and we have decisions to make!

Just a note on Emancipation we already have a +2 from it in Sirius, I predict this is going to be a major pain in the @$$.

Who the heck is running Emancipation?

Edit: Free Speech? We are building military. I thought we agreed to running Vassalage.

 

[Irgy]

Well new turn is up and we have decisions to make!

Just a note on Emancipation we already have a +2 from it in Sirius, I predict this is going to be a major pain in the @$$.

...

Emancipation: Believe me when I say that I'm fine with staying on Slavery, we haven't been doing specialist economy at all. However I do not want to suffer the , I've had experience with that and it is NOT fun seriously, it's easier to deal with whip then emancipation . Plus we get faster growing cottages so we'll add to our cottage economy when we take Mav island.

If other people are using Emancipation already we're going to have to. The good thing is that it'll really stick it to M&M, as well as everyone on the ETTT who doesn't particularly want to chave civics. We shouldn't need the whip at this stage of the game, excess food should just mean more specialists. Caste System was good for workshops, but personally I hate workshops anyway. I don't think it's worth the unhappiness (and the missed opportunity to annoy everyone else).

With Emancipation but not Caste System, it's maybe a good time to replace some workships with cottages

Universal suffrage: I believe we will get more out of it then in Rep. we can use gold for Hammer production, we'd also get alot of hammers from our towns of which we have alot of on Sol island.

I agree - if we're running a lot of cottages like we should be, this should be a better choice.

Free Speech: I know we shouldn't antagonize them but now they've gone and selected Emancipation, however there is a +2 commerce for all towns, again of which we have alot of.

Once we build Oxford, Beaurocracy should still be a better civic for research, and won't antagonise our neighbours. I don't think we should write off relations with Amazon just yet. I'm going to start probing for their thoughts on the post ETTT shakeout. If I can't get a clear answer out of them then we should start to worry.

Free Market, I think all agree on this one.

Finally to make Husch happy I pick Theology.

I agree with these.

I put in Sci Meth as a place holder but I think Irgy had a good idea about getting it to 1 turn away (were at 2 right now).

No, just finish it, then start on either Physics or Communism (I'd prefer Physics). The plan to leave it unfinished is obsolete now, as Amazon are no longer building the ToA nor requesting we avoid Scientific Method.

 

[AlphaShard]

@Trystero: I believe it was Husch that said Amazon was running it and without a word of warning either.

Alright in the spirit of trying to heal relationship with Amazon no free speech. I would rather have Bearu then vassalage.

 

[BLubmuz]

When we were informed that a member of the ETT was researching Democracy, i proposed to send a message to the whole ETT asking to put some rule on the use of Emancipation.
Then i raised back the argument once it came online.

This is the result of have done nothing, or maybe nothing would have changed.

My proposal for civics:

Bureaucracy, Emancipation, FM, Theocracy for sure
I'm undecided between Repr and US.
US can be good if we stop the research often, otherwise i can't see a great use. Also, with our production capabilities i do not see much sense in rush-buy, at least in our core cities.
Cottages? i don't think we have much of them, just some in our home island.
IF we build new ones before they mature, even with Emanc, it's game over.

Repr can be good if we manage to run some more specialist and for the extra happiness.

Vassalage is totally useless. With Theo we already have 5XP for any unit, what you do with 7?

 

[Irgy]

US can be good if we stop the research often, otherwise i can't see a great use. Also, with our production capabilities i do not see much sense in rush-buy, at least in our core cities.
Cottages? i don't think we have much of them, just some in our home island.
IF we build new ones before they mature, even with Emanc, it's game over.

Universal Sufferage is for the hammer from towns more than the rush buy, although rush buy has its niche uses even if we're focusing on research. I'm more than happy to run Representation though as long as we actually plan on running some specialists.

Vassalage is totally useless. With Theo we already have 5XP for any unit, what you do with 7?

It's a choice between Beaurocracy and Organised Religion really. Theo and Vassalge are interchangeable and as you say there's not much profit in having both.

 

[BLubmuz]

Universal Sufferage is for the hammer from towns more than the rush buy, although rush buy has its niche uses even if we're focusing on research. I'm more than happy to run Representation though as long as we actually plan on running some specialists.

As i said, i'm not decided on the choice. We're running few specialists to have a clear benefit from Repr, aside the happiness in our biggest cities, which we do not need. So maybe US is the right choice.

It's a choice between Beaurocracy and Organised Religion really. Theo and Vassalge are interchangeable and as you say there's not much profit in having both.

Roughly same reasoning as for Theo/Vassal. With our production capabilities our core cities do not need that bonus, mainly if we consider they already have all the basic structures and that we're building units.

Bureau is surely good mainly for research, but it's expensive. Nationhood can be a good choice see the wars we're goin' to fight.

 

[HUSch]

If we take eman we need US, for quick building. But I wouldn't take eman, we 've enough luck and there is no real need for quick growing of cottages. We need monastries or Orga for missios; monas before we research scimeth.

Alpha
Why the hurrying with the GM and the giving of econ also?

btw
I don't think Quat 'll attack us now. They win not enough if they are doing this.


btw
Can everybody make a statement about the civics he want. Please without any details.

my vote
Rep, Vassal, slav, FM, orga

 

[AlphaShard]

1) They asked for the tech in game, meaning the diplo screen, Were in an ETT we can't really say NO can we now?

2) Sure we can delay the GM if you want but Id like to keep from being dogpiled as long as possible, so there's not much point in delaying it.

3) Seriously have you played a game where someone changed to Eman and you weren't in it? It's NOT easy to manage. We do have more cottages to grow btw in Comet.

my vote:

US, Buearu, Eman, FM, Theo.

 

[BLubmuz]

as requested:

US, Bureau, Eman, FM, Theo.

actually i'm on the border between US and Repr, no doubts on the others.

 

[Alltriia]

Why Bureaucracy? Doesn't Nationhood or Free Speech gives more benefits? If we wore the Maverics(with one capital and two more cities), I would understand.