Turning to the 'Dark Side'

[sourboy]

As a child I had many friends who took big risks in doing the wrong thing, but seemed to not get more then a slap on the wrist for their actions & a great experience.

In high school & college, these people pushed things much further - including my old roommate. He & I agreed on many an issue, but he chose to react aggressively towards them, whereas I chose to be passive in my response. No matter how gravely wrong his actions were, he seemed to get further in life because he was willing to take risks & break from the norm.

My younger sister is stupid. By definition, she's someone who knows better, but doesn't care. She has done so many outrageous things that she should have died at least 4 different times in her life, yet she's never suffered more then an occasional broken bone or bruise.

Then there's me. I did everything by the book. I got good grades. I went to college. I was every parents dream child, per say. What have I gotten for it? Nothing. Well, I've become bitter, hence the username, but nothing positive has come from it. I have, on the other hand, received many a misfortune or harsh repremand from incidents that weren't anything more then a hair on the rebellious side.

The only point in my life that I was rewarded for no particular reason was my latter college years, when I was suicidally depressed. I cared about nothing and I was nothing short of weird. People would cross streets to avoid passing me or turn their noses up at me. Yet somehow, for some reason - I had the best jobs, the most friends, women hitting on me, and unbelievably good fortune.

This is why I shall turn to the dark side, per say. If it's better to be against the flow, then I may as well go the distance.

Has anyone else noticed that life seems to punish the good & reward the bad? Not by occasional chance either, but repeatedly. Yeah it's a f-ked up world, I know - first hand, but aren't we all here with the intent of being happy? Isn't it smart to do things that will reward you? :devil2:

My first turn is in music. No more sissy puppy dogs & ice cream songs. I'm listening to Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, old Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth, Suicidal Tendencies, and a few choice songs with lots of color in the air (if you know what I mean). Anyone have any suggestions of heavier, faster, meaner, downright evil music? It seems to drive me, and I haven't had motivation in a looong time.

 

[Immortal]

Holywood is the best MM cd, followed by golden age.

Atreyu is a favourite cd of mine when Im pissed off. Well, that and the Westside connection

As far as the rest of your post goes, I was the reckless kid you seem to vilify, sorry I cant tell you otherwise, but it was a hell of a roller coaster ride.

 

[puglover]

"God makes it rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

Don't worry, man. It happens. Just do the right thing and God will reward you in time.

 

[ybbor]

"God makes it rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

Don't worry, man. It happens. Just do the right thing and God will reward you in time.

and punish those who do wrong

justice delayed is not justice denyed

 

[PantheraTigris2]

That's all the 'world' wants, my friend, is to win you over. Make you give in. Lose the faith, and lose the battle, thus losing your intended ultimate rewards & destiny.

I say <snip> this world, and all it's <snip>. I will not be beaten down. I will continue to do right, and pick myself up and keep going, just for the sake of saying, "see - I never caved in... and you can't take that away from me". Dignity - that's what I'll have when it's all said and done. No one's going to be laughing at me for giving to the foolishness of this place. I shall triumph. Just for the sake of doing so. Just because that option is available... and that is what I choose for my legacy.

...and you know what - it's really not that hard to win... when you know how. Don't let this place get to you - it really is quite silly afterall. But while you're here - kick it's <snip> - and it's own <snip> game... just because you CAN. Heh heh... we'll see who is 'broken', at the end of the day.

Not me... I am going to beat this place at it's own game. And it gets easier every year (granted, I am becoming harder - but that just makes it easier). I know what I'm doing. And I suggest you take a good look at what you want to do, before you succumb to the foolishness around you.

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[Tassadar]

Has anyone else noticed that life seems to punish the good & reward the bad? Not by occasional chance either, but repeatedly. Yeah it's a f-ked up world, I know - first hand, but aren't we all here with the intent of being happy? Isn't it smart to do things that will reward you? :devil2:

My first turn is in music. No more sissy puppy dogs & ice cream songs. I'm listening to Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, old Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth, Suicidal Tendencies, and a few choice songs with lots of color in the air (if you know what I mean). Anyone have any suggestions of heavier, faster, meaner, downright evil music? It seems to drive me, and I haven't had motivation in a looong time.

1.- Yes many time, the only time my effort were ''rewarded'' is when i was studying chemistry at college. In the real world, gossip,shark,liar,cheater, usualy are winner, like getting promotion, or higher income. Honest and hard worker are usualy exploited by shark and wolf, in my experience at least.

2.- Black Sabbath, Rush, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, Ozzy Ozborn.

 

[Becka]

It usually seems like the bad people get the perks, but most pleasant people realize it's better to put the nice side of them out there for the sake of those who appreciate it and benefit from it than to be hateful to the detriment of those who are pissy. If they want your coat, give 'em your shirt.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

And yeah, now that you mention it, I had a period of time (back in the late 90s), when I was listening to stuff like Marylin Manson - and I was really... really into that music. Heck, it seemed like it was driving my soul. I'd be listening to in on my headphones, as I forced-marched at high speed a couple of miles to the gym.. and when I got there, I'd practically throw people out of my way.

I'd be using a seated calf-raise machine... then some guy would come over and start taking weights off, like he was going to use it. I'd say, "what in the blazes do you think you're trying to do to my workout,<snip>?" He would try to explain, and I'd just cut him off, and say, "Well, you wanna just fight over it?! There's a boxing ring in the gym annex! Much oblidged,<snip>!" Most people just didn't know how to respond to me. I was pretty out there. How in the WORLD I never got arrested, is a miracle. This is what I call the dark years of my life. Serious spiritual turmoil. I was still me... I was just enraged, frustrated, anxious, and under some bad influences.

But I never did anything really wrong - crossing the line. I mainly just freaked people out, and was extremely rude. I'd barge into the front doors of a store, (double doors on hinges), and I'd just forcefully open them as hard as I could when I walked through - almost ripping them off the walls. Mike Tyson was one of my main role models during this time.

Just imagine 'roid rage... but without the 'roids... and that was me. Incredibly fearless, audacious, and careless. But yeah, we all have 'dark' times in our lives. A good idea might be to totally change your surroundings... and 'get out' of where you might feel 'stuck'.

Unfortunately for me, my being 'stuck' was one of the hardest-to-break contracts in the world (military contract), so I just had to see it through.

But, I'm FREE now, and all that crap is in the past. But, it's important to remember our mistakes, so we learn from them. Heck, I was 18, and 19 - being on the verge of out of control goes without saying (well, for me... all things considered - but I'm not going to get into the whole history of things)

But anyways, I'm serious - music is very influential. You've got to keep that in mind (well, ideally - out of mind - when it comes to the type of music you're talking about).

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[PantheraTigris2]

FYI: my 'profanity' was very well disguised (but easy to interpret/guess, as I intended). I don't want anyone thinking I was discourteous enough to post such 'taboo' words 'in the flesh' (as one might be lead to think just by looking at all the <snips>).

Anyways, don't turn to the 'dark side'. It's a very bad place. And once (if) you return from it, you never forget that.

 

[MarineCorps]

"God makes it rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."

Don't worry, man. It happens. Just do the right thing and God will reward you in time.

@sourboy: The reason those who are willing to take risks get further ahead in life is exactly that, they are willing to take risks. Caution isn't always a good thing.

 

[sourboy]

God? Ha!

There is no proof one way or another about any religion. Please keep that out of this. It's like saying Aliens will reward me if I am good. There's no proof in either, so have all the faith you want - but it seems like nothing more then mimicing a child pulling a blanket over their heads when they're scared at night.

The cold hard truth is that there is none. We are here. Why? No immaculate reason. We just are here purely by chance. That's another argument for another thread. Point is, we're here - and we have to deal with that. We can be happy, sad, or suicidal. Doesn't matter which.

What I'm saying here in this thread is, it pays to be evil. Selfish. Greedy. All of that stuff - it's rewarding, thus leading indirectly to happiness. It's like blood-money. Money is money, where it comes from doesn't matter once it's in your hands. Morals? Why? I always felt like I should help people, but they don't help me. They call me 'weak' and take from me. So now I say - why not take it back?

I sit here and listen to people bad mouth bin Laden and think...why is it all religions are so close, yet people are foolish enough to think that his religion promotes killing others for no reason? He's obviously pissed off & retaliating, but why? Is it not plausible that his actions towards us are no different then our actions towards his people? Everyone in here, regardless of which borders they reside in, say their government is corrupt. Most of them also turn their head because they have luxuries available to them, like say - the internet. You think everyone in the world can log in here and tell me I'm wrong? No! They are suffereing, some are starving - we have all this food, but we rather stockpile it then share it. Could bin Laden be someone brave enough to play the role of David and say, no more!? I don't condone killing, even in time of war - but I'm willing to bet he's not some crazy guy that the major governments of the world claim he is via propaganda.

Oh, maybe he's just a cult leader. No. Cult leaders sucker a few fools & other rejects in to their ways. Osama has so much money that he is the equivalent of Bill Gates in America, in his land. What's he do? He gets millions of followers from scores of countries to join with him. That's not a cult, it's a movement. These people believe in a better way and are willing to die for it. They are tired of the tyranny pushed on them from a distant country. Know what this reminds me of? The American Revolution. If he wins, will his people look back and call him a 'patriot?'

I choose different. I think both sides are wrong. I get the spoils of living in the greatest country in the world & so I should assimilate so that I can push those spoils to the next level. No, I won't. I get screwed not because I'm a nice guy, but because I'm targeted. People don't like that fact that I think the world needs a revolution. People call me a communist when I say that people should work together and share their gains. They call me things I can't repeat here when I say I understand why Osama and others respond to us the way they do. They also quickly try to befriend me when I gain a victory & have the rewards that I didn't ask for, just so they can take the tablescraps from the bitter loser in the conflict.

The world is stupid. The people don't want change. So why can't I? Why can't I say - no, forget it. I don't want your help. Why can't I play Robin Hood & take things back & give them to those who really need it? Maybe I'll start robbing treasured items of the world, only to pass them on to the people of Ethiopia, or anyone who can utilize it's value by trading it for food, clothes, possession.

I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. Religion can't explain it. Morals can't explain it. Hatred can't either, but it seems I'm too good & maybe need to become a little more evil to help straighten things out. Pride? Pride in doing the right thing? What know you of 'right' or 'wrong?' It's just another blanket over your eyes. Well I'm going to sleep without a blanket for now on, because those who truely need one - don't have one, so why should I?

 

[PantheraTigris2]

Alright... go that route. See how 'happy' you end up. You'll be drunk with ambitions of power, possessions, and all the 'riches'/lusts of the world, as you seek things out for self-serving personal gain. And that'll keep you going... up to a certain point. But sooner or later, you will absolutely implode with grief, and repent. I've been there myself.

But, that's only if you keep one foot, still in the door of good/righteousness (whatever you want to call it - since you seem to want to keep religion out of this*), like I did. If you really want to jump ship, and go completely over, and cut all ties to what you KNOW is good (and evil), which you obviously and undeniably do - sure... you can go your entire life as a genuinely twisted bastard. And just roll the dice, hope that when you die, things just go black, and you don't have to answer for anything.

But, that's a big gamble. At least in my opinion.

*And by all means, keep God/religion out of the discussion/question/option. That way, you'll be denying yourself the one primary means of getting what you really need! An old tactic of the evil one. People constantly fall for it. He really knows how to get under people's skin (if you let him), and turn them against the hand that would help them. But, as I say, this life is a test. What will you do? Believe the lies? Or keep faith - even when it gets tough?

 

[earth]

MNEMIC

www.mnemic.com

I found these guys surfing the net one night. They are, hands down, the best freaking metal band ever.

edit. Speaking as a guy that is, self professed, the biggest hip hop fan in the world, this means a lot.

 

[Tassadar]

I think you can be proud of beeing a free spirit, i am not alone after all . That make you understand human nature more deeply and ,sometime also, that will make you suffer more.

It is evident that you dont share the sheeple value, neither swallow political BS. Most poeple prefer to say ''yes boss'' or ''i agree M.President'' without even thinking. When those poeple call you name, like communist, in fact they just prove their own ignorence.


As for Ben Laden, i also think that human nature do no want to blow up themself for nothing. But its another topic.

My guess is we are some kind of observer, we observe human nature and we seem to do not belong to their world. And if you try to wake up them, then just remember what they did to, Jesus, Martin Luther King, Biko, Gandhi,Joan of arc, ect...ect...

 

[Amenhotep7]

I somewhat agree with PantheraTigris. I think it's great to take risks and gamble something. Hell, I once gambled twenty bucks on one hand in seven-card stud (a version of "Poker", for those of you not in the know), and left the table with fifty bucks.

But to completely jump-ship... I always think that caution is good too. One must have a system of morals. I have come to the conclusion that life is one great balance. In the end, whether you live to see it or not, things balance themselves out. All your bad luck and being ostrocized shall one day disappear, and you shall find yourself a happy man.

A quote from Julius Caesar:

"When the gods wish to take vengeance on humans for their crimes, they usually grant them , for a time, considerable success and quite a lengthy period of impunity, so that when their fortunes are reversed they will feel it more bitterly."​

Even if you don't believe in Caesar's religion (I don't), or any religion for that matter, you can see it plainly that sometimes you have bad luck and sometimes you have good. Everything balances out, man.

Take risks, but don't abandon caution.

 

[nmosfet]

I hope I'm repeating what some of you people have already said as some of these posts are too freaking long. Anyway, IMO, happiness is a relative emotion. Everyone experiences the same amount of happiness. Other people may look like they have it all but throughout their entire life they (more or less) suffer as much as anybody else. That Brian character in Vanilla Sky said it best, "Just remember, the sweet is never as sweet without the sour."

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

My humble musical suggestion is Project Pitchfork. An excellent German band with amazing lyrics, if you can ever managed to figured out what they are actually saying. (most of it is in English, but poor English)

As for myself, I have discovered that if you try to observe human nature from a highly objective point of view, while trying to keep everything in perspective (everyone dies, so who cares how much money you got when you bite the dust), you become happier.

Oh and dance with girls whenever you can, even if you suck. As long as you keep it mellow, and don't jump around like an idiot, it is a huge boost to just about everything.

 

[IglooDame]

Calculated risks are where it's at.

I do things the right way because my conscience beats the crap out of me if I do not. If you've found a way to repress your conscience then all I ask is that you don't pass it on to anyone else, and that you stay away from me.

 

[Akka]

Hey, I have to agree at least partially to both the thread starter, and PantheraTigris.

Yes, the world is twisted. People are what they are, and that imply an inner tendency to pray on the weak and beware of the strong. If people think you're weak, many will, at best feel contempt, at worse abuse you. If they think you're strong, most will leave you alone.

It doesn't necessarily that "evil pays". It's rather that people who don't care about others, are usually not afraid to do what it takes to have their ways, even if it means hurting others. Also, they often show more self-confidence. And self-confidence, is what make others feel you "strong" or "weak".

People who feel about others, show often restraint when dealing with them. To not hurt them, to be gentle. It's often perceived as lack of will, or lack of energy/confidence/manliness.
It doesn't mean it's fate. It only means you should remember that respect always goes both ways. Don't respect those who don't respect you, and respect those who do respect you. Reciprocity is a good and fair way to deal with others.


You can be someone good, and not be "punished" for it. But remember that good doesn't mean sheepish. Remember that people will, even unconsciously, always evaluate you.
Be gentle, but show your teeths.

 

[Double Barrel]

Karma will make everyone pay their dues in the end.

Music? Buy Slipnkot's new CD "Vol. 3: Subliminal Verses" now!! Definitely this year's best metal CD, and, IMO, one of my top 10 metal CDs of all time. This CD is one mean piece of metal goodness.



And I didn't see any Pantera on your list. There are many good Pantera CD's, but I would suggest "Vulgar Display of Power", "Far Beyond Driven", "Reinventing the Steel", and "The Great Southern Trendkill".