Turning to the 'Dark Side'

[G-Man]

Personally, I think you might be going a bit too much from extreme to extreme. Using music as an analogy, the most successful musicians aren't classical composers of heavy metal bands - they're the ones know how to take a little from everything.

 

[Atlas14]

Personally, I think you might be going a bit too much from extreme to extreme. Using music as an analogy, the most successful musicians aren't classical composers of heavy metal bands - they're the ones know how to take a little from everything.

True. A bit of everything might make someone more well-rounded.

 

[betazed]

@Sourboy: I read thru both your posts. I just want to quote what Jean Luc Picard said to Commander Data when Data lost a game of strategema. Data was surprised and sad (as sad as an android could be). Picard told him

"Sometimes you can do everything right, and still lose. That is life."

Just do not look back; and carry on.

 

[The Last Conformist]

@Sourboy: I was taking you sorta seriously till I reached this paragraph in the OP:

My first turn is in music. No more sissy puppy dogs & ice cream songs. I'm listening to Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, old Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth, Suicidal Tendencies, and a few choice songs with lots of color in the air (if you know what I mean). Anyone have any suggestions of heavier, faster, meaner, downright evil music? It seems to drive me, and I haven't had motivation in a looong time.

Evil music? Old Metallica? Marilyn Manson?

"Evil" music is entertainment for the well-adapted scions of the middle classes. Welcome to conformism.

 

[Mescalhead]

"God helps those who helps themselves. Nice guys finish last. No guts no glory."

If you've ever noticed, nice guys often don't get the good looking girls. They usually don't get the best drugs (if they do 'em at all). They tend to write bad music (I bet 'Air Supply' consists of some of the nicest people you'll ever meet). They don't run yellow lights from 25+ feet back. They don't lie to cops to get out of traffic violations.

As far as I see it, most civilizations are set up so that the few can exploit the many. Unfortunately it's the best system I know of, but you don't have to be nice. Remember, politicians, and big business CEOs, are usually deceitful with a potential for great acts of selfishness (euphamism). You don't need to behave for them. They visit more misery upon you than you could them. The average shmoe in the street is just as shifty, miserly and selfish as the politicoes. It's just that they haven't shaken the fear of divine retribution or a great many more people would be in top gear of savage competition (one reason I like religion). You might as well do because, somewhere in the world someone is doing it to you. A couple ground rules would be nice, I mean there are truly decent people out there. It's good to give the benefit of the doubt, but don't think everyone out there is actually concerned with doing right by the community. It is few and most have an ulterior motive.

"When the gods wish to take vengeance on humans for their crimes, they usually grant them , for a time, considerable success and quite a lengthy period of impunity, so that when their fortunes are reversed they will feel it more bitterly."​

This is coming from a man partly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands. Don't get me wrong, there are very few people that I consider to be the caliber of Caesar, but he isn't exactly a great source for moral positioning.

 

[storealex]

Dude Im a nice guy, I have a very pretty girl, lot's of very good friends, pretty good grades and enough money.
And no I wasn't lucky, I built what I have with confidence and a positive additude towards life and my fellow humans. If you don't believe in the desire of humans to do good, how can you believe it in your self?

With "nice guy" I don't mean the polite sucker with manners like a butler, I mean the guy that will do what he think is right, even if it goes against personal gain.

 

[test_specimen]

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I hate being the spelling nazi I am, but you probably mean "per se".

My first turn is in music. No more sissy puppy dogs & ice cream songs. I'm listening to Rage Against the Machine, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, old Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Megadeth, Suicidal Tendencies, and a few choice songs with lots of color in the air (if you know what I mean). Anyone have any suggestions of heavier, faster, meaner, downright evil music? It seems to drive me, and I haven't had motivation in a looong time.

Actually you're not rebelling if you listen to Anthrax, Slayer or Megadeth anymore. I know 10 year olds, who listen to those bands for the reason you do. Rage Against the Machine, Metallica or NIN don't advocate violence or disturbant behaviour.

What you probably want to listen to are bands like Deicide or to a lesser extent Machine Head, Pantera, Soulfly/Sepultura, Dimmu Borgir. However, those are still not very provocative. Rammstein is more provocative, if you're living in a German speaking country, but Europeans are more tolerant towards song lyrics and artistic, sexual content.

If you really want to provoke, you should listen to Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera or P!nk, and sing along. That would be your first step towards the darker side of human being.

 

[storealex]

Haha good one, yeah, there was an anarchist march here in copehagen in march, with lot's of punks and stuff. We walked into the middle of them and played Aqua on the boomblaster - Barbie Girl at full volume. Man did we provoke those punks!

 

[sourboy]

Do you really believe you are inhuman, and would handle power better? Or perhaps it is that the rich are inherently evil? I took this statement as self-righteous lust for power.

No, more like an understanding of where the power is - but yet enough rage against it to still want to do what's right. If I had the money or power, I can guarantee I wouldn't corrupt as much as the common figure of power does today. No ones perfect, but I would be pretty close to doing the 'right thing.'

Evil music? Old Metallica? Marilyn Manson?
"Evil" music is entertainment for the well-adapted scions of the middle classes. Welcome to conformism.

Those are examples, which is why I obviously asked for suggested music afterwards. I started listening to Heavy Metal and quickly outgrew most of it. I want something ...

I hate being the spelling nazi I am, but you probably mean "per se".
Actually you're not rebelling if you listen to Anthrax, Slayer or Megadeth anymore. I know 10 year olds, who listen to those bands for the reason you do. Rage Against the Machine, Metallica or NIN don't advocate violence or disturbant behaviour.

You wouldn't believe how many times I typed 'per say' and stopped and thought it just didn't look right.
I'm not looking specifically for violent or disturbing behavior encouraged by song, I can handle that on my own. I just want something that statisfies this rage...

 

[sourboy]

"Sometimes you can do everything right, and still lose. That is life."
Just do not look back; and carry on.

Personally, I think you might be going a bit too much from extreme to extreme.

I know you guys are probably right, but there's something I can't put my finger on that won't let the pieces fall that easily.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Those are examples, which is why I obviously asked for suggested music afterwards. I started listening to Heavy Metal and quickly outgrew most of it. I want something ...

I wasn't so much knocking those particular bands as ridiculing the idea of evil music as such.

 

[Neomega]

If I had the money or power, I can guarantee I wouldn't corrupt as much as the common figure of power does today. No ones perfect, but I would be pretty close to doing the 'right thing.

You are not rich or powerful, so how do you know?

You are rich and powerful compared to people in Kenya... do you give all of your extra money to feed them?

What is the "right thing". Every person in power believes they are doing the right thing.

It is like an idiotic lawsuit. Everyone complains about them, but their lawsuit is a particular case of true injustice.

All I am trying to say here is focusing on others will get you nowhere. You should focus on your actions.

 

[test_specimen]

I just want something that statisfies this rage...

I found Atari Teenage Riot quite powerfull, though they are more in the rave department. But definitely not on the fun-pop side of it, rather in the violently anti-fascist (song names include "Hetzjagd auf Nazis", to get a first impression try "Into the Death", "No Success", "Deutschland has gotta die"). IIRC they split up, but one of their members, Alec Empire, does also quite good solo stuff (try "Addicted to you").

 

[Jawz II]

i agree

dude, if you think metallica is "dark music" and rage against the machine is "evil"

you defenitly need to make some changes in your life and also to learn some things!

 

[Archer 007]

I somewhat agree with PantheraTigris. I think it's great to take risks and gamble something. Hell, I once gambled twenty bucks on one hand in seven-card stud (a version of "Poker", for those of you not in the know), and left the table with fifty bucks.

But to completely jump-ship... I always think that caution is good too. One must have a system of morals. I have come to the conclusion that life is one great balance. In the end, whether you live to see it or not, things balance themselves out. All your bad luck and being ostrocized shall one day disappear, and you shall find yourself a happy man.

A quote from Julius Caesar:

"When the gods wish to take vengeance on humans for their crimes, they usually grant them , for a time, considerable success and quite a lengthy period of impunity, so that when their fortunes are reversed they will feel it more bitterly."​

Even if you don't believe in Caesar's religion (I don't), or any religion for that matter, you can see it plainly that sometimes you have bad luck and sometimes you have good. Everything balances out, man.

Take risks, but don't abandon caution.

Very good point.

 

[toh6wy]

A little Iced Earth might be up your alley! :evil grin:

 

[Yoda Power]

Sourboy I havent the read the whole thread closely so forgive me if I misunderstood you, but what makes you believe that just changing music genre will change your life?

MNEMIC

www.mnemic.com

I found these guys surfing the net one night. They are, hands down, the best freaking metal band ever.

edit. Speaking as a guy that is, self professed, the biggest hip hop fan in the world, this means a lot.

lol and here I was thinking I was the only person on this board to know this band. How did you find them? I actually know a guy who is a close friend of the band(no kidding).

sorry for the OT part

 

[The Last Conformist]

Mnemic? Worth checking out?

 

[Yoda Power]

Mnemic? Worth checking out?

lol who am I to tell you, we all have different taste

They are not as good as Hatesphere though --> www.hatesphere.com

 

[The Last Conformist]

Earlier discussions here have left me with the impression we've got similar tastes when it comes to metal.