Turns 101-120

honestly, i never considered Lokis style as cynical, only primitive.

a road on the tile of all those troops would be nice, i guess that is what you brought the new slaves there for. then they have another mountain they need to cover.

plus i of course like the idea of reopening the northern channel. i advocated this long ago, and i still think that their flanks offer the best opportunities now. but there is too little defense in the stacks currently.

t_x
Yes, but if they leave only 1 sword on GM 7 horses may take a risk. Then 2 wounded NM will cover GM. This is an idea. If they care, then frontal attack with 4 Catapults next turn (450bc).

Where do you think better to have Northern channel? On Ivan-gorod ruins or on BG?
 
northern channel on bg clearly.

Ivangorod was only a necessity when they planted their own channel town without discussion. it was never well positioned.

from this channel town on farmland starts probably. this gives a good distance e.g. for the banana town 2 ne. and even militarily the bg town makes much more sense, as the ships can take the ideal route in and out of the lake system.

t_x
 
but there is too little defense in the stacks currently.

Yes! I think moving forward or leaving wounded units on exposed tiles is too risky, considering that F3 rates us as "average". They must have roughly the same amount of units as we do, so they can do quite a bit of damage. We need more NMs, before we can get too close to their core.
 
NMs go from L'Edge. It takes 60 g each three turns. I sent 50, this turn but I am not sure that at 110 500 g will be possible. Please, negotiate some delay or reduction.

Sure, I want more NMs to cover stacks, but if we delay with advance Anarhos will bring more Hoplites to cover holes in their defense.
 
I am not "busy" but situation needs "expert advise". Will t-x have a look?
Obviously they brought Swords to upgrade and next turn many MI will come out.
We may try to defend our position or make a last try to send 7 horses to Mnt near Bengazi.
But I think it is bad idea.
May be start TGL now?
 
had a short look. cannot see any chance for a direct assault. rather withdraw in the south or hold position and plan for some d-day action there.

in the north also seaborne action might work.

otherwise start the Glib, dig in and pray for cavs. they are weak long run, but way too strong short run.

t_x
 
Played. Decided to go t-x plan that he offeedr turn ago.
Anarhos pillaged road that will make defense easier

New City name "Shlisslrburg" (Correct my spelling).
 

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Yes, Cavs as fast as possible. I have asked the Küche, how much gold they need for the necessary libraries.

If we start the GLib now, we can also utilize Knights long before we have Cavs, and I think this is essential. The war will go on until the bitter end, and the sooner we can upgrade our horses, the better.

Too bad you tried to take the gold mountain with horses: now they have put Hoplites on it... When there was only one single swordsman, the attack with archers would have worked, but by bringing so many horses in sight, you "forced them to correct their mistake", and now we will probably no longer be able to dig in on that mountain.
 
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Ivan has not attacked the gm.

and just for itself, the gm is not that great anyway. it would allow to take timbuktu sooner or later unter high losses, that is all. their units are tied there this way or the other. the more hoplites they have to keep on mountains, the fewer they have in their towns.

t_x
 
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Ivan has not attacked the gm.

No, what I said was: he moved so many horses within sight, that the Anarchos now had to move hoplites onto the GM.

At the moment we can't threaten any of their towns. With the GM we would at least be able to threaten Timbuktu and Bengasi. We don't actually need to attack, but as Tartakover once said: "The threat is stronger than the execution". Some well-protected horses on the GM would be a thorn in their flesh. It would bind additional forces (in Bengasi, which is far from the front) and it would perhaps provoke mistakes.
So I think it would be a very good position. And up to recently it had been insufficiently defended, so we could have taken it by surprise... Now this weak spot is covered. So basically Ivan "helped them correcting their mistake"...:crazyeye:
 
i differ. this reaction is mostly good for you. after these recent actions they are in a solid position again. units on the gh would be under attack from trebs, and could not heal. they would bind transport capacity.

they cut the route, which makes it difficult for them to break out in the north. this makes defense there easier. offense was not really an option now with so limited and weak forces. not against def-3 and att-4!

t_x
 
Ok, valid point, if they have enough trebs, the position is too vulnerable.

Different topic: so we slow down our military now and start markets (Camlann, Avalon?) and the GLib? For this to work, we must however retreat our exposed eastern stack quickly, before they kill it with MDIs?! And take up fortified defensive positions.

Beelining for Cavs would however, work much better and with less risk, if we can get a peace treaty after all. I think we demanded too much. (I have stepped into their shoes and asked myself the question "would I have replied to an offer like that?". And my answer was: "never!"... Why should they give up their only advantage and help us win the game?)
But perhaps we can get peace for at least some of their techs? That would save us the GLib and more importantly: we are already paying 80gpt unit upkeep. This is going to grow, if we need to defend for 40 more turns before getting Cavs. And after the GA, there'll be not much left of our income... which means getting Cavs even later, as we can't support the Küche!
Hmm, but I guess they will refuse any peace deal, unless we pay them... So it's probably wasted time.
 
I started GLib already, as they are not willing for peace we loose nothing.
when we will have enough gold to short-rush market in Calman we will do that.
I sent to Kuche 50, unlikely that we ever increase this amount.
Vs MIs our chances really slim.
However, they have an impression that we are stronger now, and our position better.
I actually plan to continue offense with the limited troops. We have big advantage in mobility, next turn we may have 3/4 of our army at the point where single Archer now. Turn after they will be on the hill. What Tartakover said?..
How we will continue negotiation? Will we send a "note" to Eagles about Feudalism?
 
I sent to Kuche 50, unlikely that we ever increase this amount.

:confused:
I don't know, if you understood the plan? The techs from Invention to MT are 7000 beakers. The Küche expects us to supply half of that sum (3500g). Plus we still owe them what is left of their 500g credit, and we still haven't payed our part of the lux deal.
So we are looking at roughly 4000g to be paid over the next 40 turns.

Also it is important that we send them a large part of the gold in the beginning, so that they can short-rush their libs and do 4-turn research right when they start researching. Otherwise the surprise factor will be lost. (Atm the Küche is a very slow researcher {they are slowing down Chivalry for us, so that we don't have to face Knights too early!}, and Eagles/Anarchos will both expect this to stay that way over the near future. They will never expect the Küche to get Cavs in only 20 turns...)
And: one prerequisite for their generous interest-free credit was, that we grant a similarly generous credit for the MT-plan.

BTW: our GA started in T093, so our last GA-turn will be T112.
My plan was to
  • pay the first 1000g until the end of the GA. (Something like 8x140g between T105-112. Ok we have already payed 150g of that sum, so we can now do ~8x110g.)
  • Then pay another 1000g until T125 (when they will fire off research), like 13x77g.
  • After that they will no longer need our gold, so we just send a bit to cover any deficit, e.g something like 20x25g = 500g between T126-145. (Plus a bit more for our still open debts?!)
  • And then we pay the remaining 1000g after we get the techs.
Prerequisites of that plan are that
a) we don't need any of the gold ourselves (We should have rushed everything we need now. Better build markets with the GA-shields and no longer rush units.)
b) we can reduce our unit upkeep (Fill the still missing settlement locations, get all river/lake towns to size 7 asap)

In cases of emergencies we can use our gold for units again, but I would like to do this only if really necessary.
 
next turn we may have 3/4 of our army at the point where single Archer now. Turn after they will be on the hill. What Tartakover said?..
You want to attack Bielefeld? templar was afraid of putting Numidians on a mountain. Putting them on grassland very close to the core looks even more risky?!

How we will continue negotiation? Will we send a "note" to Eagles about Feudalism?

Eagles said the first tech they will sell to us is Invention. (And we don't need that, as we can get it from the Küche at half price.) So at the moment there is nothing useful to discuss with them. They didn't like the "conference idea", so there's not much we can do here.

If we want to do any negotiations, we should make another try to get peace & some techs from the Anarchos?!
 
I said few turns ago that we can't continue war, pay to Kuche 100 gpt and build TGL.

Put question to Kuche that way. With Eagles support of Anarhos they should make a choice.

I do not understand why we ow 3500 to Kuche? We will get techs from TGL...

I asked you to work out "ultimatum" in better shape but you did not. Now you argue that "things do not work". They will not work due to "mechanics of the game".

If you have better military plan let me know.
 
the good thing is that they may not have the money to upgrade a whole lot of MIs short term. that is, if the Eagles do not fund them.

so very short term some military action might still be possible. but i would call it pseudo-action, and honestly it is not very important whether you can destroy another outlying town. only on their morale and thus their aggressiveness in a counter-attack.

because you need to buy time in my eyes. these troops you have will not burn their capital. rather play defense soon, do not lose precious units, but stop building too many new ones, too. you now need settlers, markets, and the Glib!

funding the Küche is very important. i followed the deals and discussions only little lately, but by what i grasped you do have quite some obligation. you should not create the feeling with them that you do not stand by your deals. thus the settlers and markets, they allow you to fulfill your obligation!

military goals do not.

t_x
 
Most probably Eagles will support them to keep them alive. Probably they have an agreement with Kuche.
My "demonstartion" of military strength somehow worked, but in our defense lots of holes. I am sure, Anarhos are planing revenge.

We will need units pump, + emergency cash + we can't put all barracks Cities for long project like markets.

Kuche must understand, that if "matter of survive" will pop up again we will not support their project.

Deal "500" now for "4000" 30 turns later (even for MT) is a very bad deal. We may pay "after war", but not in the middle of the war.

we must do investment to markets and settler, and 50 per turn is a maximum what we can afford.
 
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