UF1 - The Deep End
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darrelljs
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I agree we should sell OB, pick up Venice and beeline HBR. I'm okay with the Worker steal, I've been avoiding it in my private games but our objectives this game should allow any AI abuse we want to indulge ourselves in 
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I'm tempted to suggest we settle the Sugar city near Hanoi (on the Deer?). Its got more resources and less distance for our theoretical Hanoi worker to travel to hook it up. We'd have to purchase the Sugar tile with that spot, but long term its a better city. Downside is logistics and trade route, but we'll eventually have a filler city in between. First build at this site has to be a Monument.
Darrell
.I'm tempted to suggest we settle the Sugar city near Hanoi (on the Deer?). Its got more resources and less distance for our theoretical Hanoi worker to travel to hook it up. We'd have to purchase the Sugar tile with that spot, but long term its a better city. Downside is logistics and trade route, but we'll eventually have a filler city in between. First build at this site has to be a Monument.
Darrell
ThERat
Deity
I played roughly half of my turns with a settler ready and sent to its location.
We can still go for darrels suggestion to settle on the deer near Hanoi. I got the deal with Venice straight away and we have been getting gold from them for a while now. We found 2 more city states.
Barbarians are far more active on this difficulty level, had the wheat pillaged, but for now we are fine.
I just started another warrior to bust barbs and protect our work force.
Research to beeline HBR (strangely enough I find horse units pretty useless in Civ 5). Go with the team decision though.
We can still go for darrels suggestion to settle on the deer near Hanoi. I got the deal with Venice straight away and we have been getting gold from them for a while now. We found 2 more city states.
Barbarians are far more active on this difficulty level, had the wheat pillaged, but for now we are fine.
I just started another warrior to bust barbs and protect our work force.
Research to beeline HBR (strangely enough I find horse units pretty useless in Civ 5). Go with the team decision though.
Lurkers Comment:
Horses have a limited time use and they upgrade to units with too many counters for my money. It hurts me to see my beloved cavs fall so far from III and IV days. At least in IV you could make them Gunships. III you could put them in armies. Here they just get hammered.
Horses have a limited time use and they upgrade to units with too many counters for my money. It hurts me to see my beloved cavs fall so far from III and IV days. At least in IV you could make them Gunships. III you could put them in armies. Here they just get hammered.
SevenSpirits
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Did you pick a social policy?
ThERat
Deity
Yes, I did pick up honor for the added bonus against barbs.
We can pick up the free Great General from another social policy pick, but I thought using the GG now for a Golden Age is somewhat a waste of it. Once we have a few more cities, we should be able to use it though.
Yes, one more wine is connected and am now on the way to connect a third wine.
I got some money from China for that, but it is not enough to buy more allies just yet. Remember that I spent some gpt for cash with Rome so we could buy Venice.
A lot of people claim that horses are overpowered because you can hit and run, I'm not so sure, I always seem to end up having to fight hordes of spears/pikes in rough terrain
We could just buy the policy before we settle so we get it cheaper, and keep the general around to help in our wars.
ThERat
Deity
Pre turn
ok, going with the suggestion to immediately ally Venice. Get the money from open borders with china and a gpt for money deal
Production goes to a scout as suggested
Decide to adopt the honor policy so we can get a Great general soon
I also pull our warrior back to heal faster
there are barb camps around and we should try and take them out
Turn 28 - 2880BC
Rome asks for a pact against Egypt, I decline
barbs step onto our wheat tile, protect workers with our warrior
Turn 29 - 2840BC
we get a scout and start a settler
barbs pillaged the wheat tile, we take them out
Turn 30 - 2800BC
we could start a Golden Age if we get the Great General, but I hold on for now
more cities are better for GA in my mind
trade China wines for 72gold +4gpt
Turn 33 - 2680BC
we meet Almaty in the west and get 15gold for that
Turn 37 - 2520BC
we get a settler, move north
we meet Florence and take out a barb camp for some cash
Turn 38 - 2480BC
the suggested spot from darrel is a little too far for my liking, maybe for a second city
take out another barb camp for 25 gold
Turn 39 - 2440BC
trade the third wine with Rome for his cash 162 gold + 1gpt
Turn 41 - 2360BC
meet India, found our second city just before Rome wants to claim those tiles
get the wheel, go for HBR
Turn 43 - 2280BC
agree with India to pact of cooperation
Rome complains about us settling close, you know what will come eventually
Turn 45 - 2200BC
Rome settles almost right next to us, decide to buy the horse tile just to be safe
we're about to lose grip on Venice, have to buy some sympathies
In order to connect both furs and sugar, we need to get masonry and trapping. Suggest to get those techs after HBR
Our capital is building a second worker to connect another wine and do other stuff after that
The land
2 warriors in the east to bust some barbs (with GG support)
We have the archer near Hanoi, but where is that worker?
ok, going with the suggestion to immediately ally Venice. Get the money from open borders with china and a gpt for money deal
Production goes to a scout as suggested
Decide to adopt the honor policy so we can get a Great general soon
I also pull our warrior back to heal faster
there are barb camps around and we should try and take them out
Turn 28 - 2880BC
Rome asks for a pact against Egypt, I decline
barbs step onto our wheat tile, protect workers with our warrior
Turn 29 - 2840BC
we get a scout and start a settler
barbs pillaged the wheat tile, we take them out
Turn 30 - 2800BC
we could start a Golden Age if we get the Great General, but I hold on for now
more cities are better for GA in my mind
trade China wines for 72gold +4gpt
Turn 33 - 2680BC
we meet Almaty in the west and get 15gold for that
Turn 37 - 2520BC
we get a settler, move north
we meet Florence and take out a barb camp for some cash
Turn 38 - 2480BC
the suggested spot from darrel is a little too far for my liking, maybe for a second city
take out another barb camp for 25 gold
Turn 39 - 2440BC
trade the third wine with Rome for his cash 162 gold + 1gpt
Turn 41 - 2360BC
meet India, found our second city just before Rome wants to claim those tiles
get the wheel, go for HBR
Turn 43 - 2280BC
agree with India to pact of cooperation
Rome complains about us settling close, you know what will come eventually
Turn 45 - 2200BC
Rome settles almost right next to us, decide to buy the horse tile just to be safe
we're about to lose grip on Venice, have to buy some sympathies
In order to connect both furs and sugar, we need to get masonry and trapping. Suggest to get those techs after HBR
Our capital is building a second worker to connect another wine and do other stuff after that
The land
2 warriors in the east to bust some barbs (with GG support)
We have the archer near Hanoi, but where is that worker?
darrelljs
Immortal
I got it. Looks like some good turns, I don't have time to think about it but should be able to plan in about...21 hours.
Darrell
Darrell
man that must have been some epic turn 40
I think Hanoi probably had its worker stolen by barbarians before we could get to it. Anyway good call grabbing the horses, we might want to consider a rush buy as whoever strikes first will have a great advantage in the war on this open terrain.
ThERat
Deity
duh, that's what you get when you use a template 
darrelljs
Immortal
Looking at it Rome is clearly being aggressive. Horseman are surprisingly cheap and with an Archer in support I think one is enough to at least take Rome's first city. So yeah, I plan on buying and attacking immediately on my turnset unless I hear objections. I'll try and sell him our Horse right before declaring if no one objects to the cheese 
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Darrell
.Darrell
ThERat
Deity
Aren't we going to try and play honorable? Just like in Civ3, where you could do the same stunt, we abstained from it due to cheese.
I think we can stay away from such deals unless we honor them.
I think we can stay away from such deals unless we honor them.
SevenSpirits
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ThERat, do you know that you can edit the gold amounts in deals? For example in borrowing money from Rome, it looks like we borrowed way more than necessary because the default is 5gpt, which we then didn't spend. If we didn't make use of the money, we spent 20-30g extra on interest for no reason. Some other resource sales look like we got a bad deal too (maybe because those civs did not have much gpt available that turn?).
For next turnset, we should pay only 250g to keep the city state alliance. Committing 250 more gold - 35 turns earlier than necessary - just to get a small efficiency is not worth it. It's very likely we'll get other opportunities to increase influence with Venice (like an attack from China) anyway, but even if we decided right now we were going to spend the money, it's much better to spend that 250 elsewhere and re-accumulate it later.
I still think it would be a great benefit to get a pact of cooperation with China. Lessens the chance of her attacking us and our city state from behind. Hopefully this is available to us now. We should "pledge to protect" Venice too, now that we're allied.
City 2 should definitely be working a 3f tile instead of a 1f2g tile.
Darrell, were you planning to keep or raze that nearby roman city? It looks pretty crappy to me. We really need to spend our happy cap claiming that amazing riverside land to the north instead, with 1 or 2 more cities of our own. Btw I think our biggest deficit right now is workers. (We have only 1, and 1 in production, for two cities!. And one million unimproved tiles. And plenty of spare happy cap despite having sold all possible happy resources!)
For next turnset, we should pay only 250g to keep the city state alliance. Committing 250 more gold - 35 turns earlier than necessary - just to get a small efficiency is not worth it. It's very likely we'll get other opportunities to increase influence with Venice (like an attack from China) anyway, but even if we decided right now we were going to spend the money, it's much better to spend that 250 elsewhere and re-accumulate it later.
I still think it would be a great benefit to get a pact of cooperation with China. Lessens the chance of her attacking us and our city state from behind. Hopefully this is available to us now. We should "pledge to protect" Venice too, now that we're allied.
City 2 should definitely be working a 3f tile instead of a 1f2g tile.
Darrell, were you planning to keep or raze that nearby roman city? It looks pretty crappy to me. We really need to spend our happy cap claiming that amazing riverside land to the north instead, with 1 or 2 more cities of our own. Btw I think our biggest deficit right now is workers. (We have only 1, and 1 in production, for two cities!. And one million unimproved tiles. And plenty of spare happy cap despite having sold all possible happy resources!)
SevenSpirits
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Looking at it Rome is clearly being aggressive. Horseman are surprisingly cheap and with an Archer in support I think one is enough to at least take Rome's first city. So yeah, I plan on buying and attacking immediately on my turnset unless I hear objections. I'll try and sell him our Horse right before declaring if no one objects to the cheese
Darrell
He is selling us his horse, I think it's only fair that we return it before declaring.
Anyway I'm sure he has heard the old saying, beware of Persians bringing gifts.
I agree.
