Ukrainian Conflict - New scenario project - Dev Thread

[Dadais]

move cities next to each other in order to create multi-tile cities. (...). I wonder if it's perhaps something that Lua could do?

Very easy to do either with the console or dynamically once in game.

One could even have nomad cities move on the map .
I guess that can create issues with "worked tiles" howether.

 

[JPetroski]

which I haven't bothered to repeat. I wonder if it's perhaps something that Lua could do?

Sure can and a lot easier than hex editing (most of the issues that required hex editing are an easy fix these days. So if one ever decides to add another unit with native transport after breaking ground, it's all of a line I believe in a lua file to remedy. (Not to contribute to the hijack but who knows, perhaps one of the major siege cities of this conflict could benefit from the technique).

 

[Seymen]

Hi, so how is the scenario coming along?
You know there is an old Civ3 scenario from 2014 simulating the Russia Ukraine war... Actually the Donbass-Crimea war.
It is definitely not good, not nearly as ambitious as your project, but it is playable... Gives the satisfaction of playing this war out if you are so inclined, you know?
Apparently there's another, for Civ4. But I never played Civ4 personally, so...

 

[techumseh]

I took a screenshot of the city of Baghdad from my old unfinished scenario. As you can see, it consists of 5 cities hex-edited to be adjacent.

 

[Seymen]

Where are the scenario files at? Or did Sedna never finish this scenario?

 

[techumseh]

Looks like he bailed on it.

 

[Patine]

Looks like he bailed on it.

Well, it is a project, admittedly, like you said years ago on Apolyton, about my (then current) Iraq Invasion and Uprisings scenario, "very ambitious, and very difficult."

 

[Blake00]

I originally met him on the Civ2 discord so I've tagged him there to see if I can lure him back.. but yeah.. not looking good.. it's been a year and in the end he was only here for a month lol!

 

[Buck2005]

In fact, the author's position is very reasonable: not to rush the release, but to wait for the official end of the conflict.

The fog of war will settle, and the overall picture of events will become clear. In 2022, the military role of FPV drones was zero. Now - they are the basis of tactics for both sides. Mercenary uprising in 2023, North Koreans in 2024. Trump in 2025.

Or maybe there will be a nuclear version of the cute little tractor with the letter Z, which JPetroski wanted to add as a humorous unit:

 

[techumseh]

Is that in fact the author's position? Based on what?

 

[Sedna]

Hi !

Life is busy, finishing a thesis and working on a saas project, and with the conflict getting a little bit complex geopolitically and longer than one could have imagined, it's indeed a slow but longer plan.

For instance, I initially planned on releasing a list of units that would make sense, but by the time my unit list seemed okay, new equipment appears on both sides. You also have Iran and America, the shahed drones initially just given to Russia now actually made more in Russia (licensed). Stuff like that which I'm monitoring. At the time when I started the project, there were tanks in both sides. Now it's not really the main thing, artillery and drones and defensive lines have taken a stronger role.

Also to follow as much as possible a realistic mid-game: since we do not know the end, I do not know if it should force or at least push the two sides to easily end up with a front line at similar strategic areas as in real life (maybe helped or hard coded if Lua scripting.

As for my position: the scenario would be neutral in the sense that I'm not taking a political stance at all. My plan was to, for example, have each nation or entity have their own regular update with text events either time related, or local victory or loss related, which are neutral in tone. News from either side, trying to balance the propaganda sources I can find from both sides, so that it remains apolitical if that makes sense. Fun fact, when I started the scenario, I was dating a Russian woman, and of all people, I'm not dating a Ukrainian!

A big development is on a personal level I have increase my productivity in the dev world (I mean, development overal) with claude code and was thinking it might be the saviour for Lua scripting of slightly more complex behaviour needed for the scenario. For example: logistics is key, so maybe Lua scripts would regen units only if close to a logistics unit or FOB. Also, the artillery game: maybe now I can make a script to scan the map or the visible map for the AI, and it can drop shells on you, just like you can drop shells on any tile (and it bring the recon game: if you wanna be sure to hit, use a recon unit). Also, dealing with the swarm of drones: I don't want a turn to be full of light units going in all directions and meaning a turn is minutes long to watch unfold. And if scripting is easier now with my claude code knowledge, without going too far, it might be possible to do a few things I wanted to do but would have taken me forever (for ex, building a FOB might not need to build a "city" anymore if I can script something around a tile improvement. Or having regular rights to scan an area to simulate using satellite intel, stuff like that which seemed complex to me years ago).

Also I need to test the basic AI on the map I had in mind (biggest possible= is it even working).

So yes, do consider this as a scenario which would take some time. Also I'm likely going to use it as a testbed of a few ideas because I'm not discarding adding to my main saas software idea the possibility to develop the core system of a 4x gave with iso view which would be a civ II/III like core game, moddable, multiplayer, and iOS/android/Mac/windows compatible and future proof. The Ai is the hardest pard actually. But I have this scenario in mind because I had put a lot of thought into it in the shadows a couple years ago. It's not abandoned, just back to the drawing board.

Like someone wisely said above, I'm also hoping the conflict stops, for personal reasons of course, but since we are here, to also have a final timeline to be able to wrap up what at least we know officially and build something of quality. I hope you understand.

EDIT : and yes I'm considering making a simple version of it with basic units, basic coding, calling it an alpha. Then adding more layers, testing the latest which could be the beta. And if I'm near happy with it, push for the final version. That way, I'd at least produce a simple but interesting map and scenario set up or two before trying my hand at the final project.

 

[Patine]

Hi !

Life is busy, finishing a thesis and working on a saas project, and with the conflict getting a little bit complex geopolitically and longer than one could have imagined, it's indeed a slow but longer plan.

For instance, I initially planned on releasing a list of units that would make sense, but by the time my unit list seemed okay, new equipment appears on both sides. You also have Iran and America, the shahed drones initially just given to Russia now actually made more in Russia (licensed). Stuff like that which I'm monitoring. At the time when I started the project, there were tanks in both sides. Now it's not really the main thing, artillery and drones and defensive lines have taken a stronger role.

Also to follow as much as possible a realistic mid-game: since we do not know the end, I do not know if it should force or at least push the two sides to easily end up with a front line at similar strategic areas as in real life (maybe helped or hard coded if Lua scripting.

As for my position: the scenario would be neutral in the sense that I'm not taking a political stance at all. My plan was to, for example, have each nation or entity have their own regular update with text events either time related, or local victory or loss related, which are neutral in tone. News from either side, trying to balance the propaganda sources I can find from both sides, so that it remains apolitical if that makes sense. Fun fact, when I started the scenario, I was dating a Russian woman, and of all people, I'm not dating a Ukrainian!

A big development is on a personal level I have increase my productivity in the dev world (I mean, development overal) with claude code and was thinking it might be the saviour for Lua scripting of slightly more complex behaviour needed for the scenario. For example: logistics is key, so maybe Lua scripts would regen units only if close to a logistics unit or FOB. Also, the artillery game: maybe now I can make a script to scan the map or the visible map for the AI, and it can drop shells on you, just like you can drop shells on any tile (and it bring the recon game: if you wanna be sure to hit, use a recon unit). Also, dealing with the swarm of drones: I don't want a turn to be full of light units going in all directions and meaning a turn is minutes long to watch unfold. And if scripting is easier now with my claude code knowledge, without going too far, it might be possible to do a few things I wanted to do but would have taken me forever (for ex, building a FOB might not need to build a "city" anymore if I can script something around a tile improvement. Or having regular rights to scan an area to simulate using satellite intel, stuff like that which seemed complex to me years ago).

Also I need to test the basic AI on the map I had in mind (biggest possible= is it even working).

So yes, do consider this as a scenario which would take some time. Also I'm likely going to use it as a testbed of a few ideas because I'm not discarding adding to my main saas software idea the possibility to develop the core system of a 4x gave with iso view which would be a civ II/III like core game, moddable, multiplayer, and iOS/android/Mac/windows compatible and future proof. The Ai is the hardest pard actually. But I have this scenario in mind because I had put a lot of thought into it in the shadows a couple years ago. It's not abandoned, just back to the drawing board.

Like someone wisely said above, I'm also hoping the conflict stops, for personal reasons of course, but since we are here, to also have a final timeline to be able to wrap up what at least we know officially and build something of quality. I hope you understand.

EDIT : and yes I'm considering making a simple version of it with basic units, basic coding, calling it an alpha. Then adding more layers, testing the latest which could be the beta. And if I'm near happy with it, push for the final version. That way, I'd at least produce a simple but interesting map and scenario set up or two before trying my hand at the final project.

There seem to be several scenario projects impeded in rapid clip of development by the monstrous grind of offline line, mine included. Though I'm not dating a Japanese woman. But I do keep getting ads from KoreanDates on this site's ad bar.