Ultimate 2 Player C3C PBEM

[DogBoy]

Yes, we did work out a very interesting peace, boundary, and ROP deal. You can read about it where Predesad just posted it, and you can see the picture on my page under the Mayan page. I also updated the main page with a major gripe I have about this game in multiplayer mode, although I have no recommendations on how to fix it.

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[Apricorn]

Interesting sutff, keep up the updates guys.

 

[predesad]

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I also updated the main page with a major gripe I have about this game in multiplayer mode, although I have no recommendations on how to fix it.

DogBoy, as I cannot access your site to read about your gripe, is this something you could share on the thread, i have lotsof pbem gripes, just wondering what yours is.

 

[DogBoy]

It's not just PBEM, but all multiplayer games. After talking to you I was wrong in my assumption, but still disgruntled. Anyway, my gripe is he who goes first gets the benefit. I don't have a solution, so I can't say how to fix it. It's the same gripe the computer is authorized to have in single player games. What I mean is let's say two people are building a WoW. Both are due to build it in one turn. But whoever set up the PBEM game, or whoever is first in the turn order, gets the wonder. Doesn't matter they both took the same time to build. I know it's that way in most turn based games, I realize that, but it still irks me. Eagle Games somewhat fixed this problem with their board game called Civilization, The Board Game. It's an awesome game and very fun to play. In that game, players rotate who goes first so you have to be careful how you leave yourself open at the end of your turn. The board game Risk 2210AD also rotates turns based upon how willing you are to go first. In the classic Risk board game, the strategy was simple...pile on, penetrate deep and wound your opponent so he can't build too many units to counterattack, rinse and repeat next turn. But if you don't know you are going first next time, you have to rethink your strategy. Anyway, like I said. I don't have a solution but it's still a gripe I have. Maybe if two people completed a WoW on the same turn the computer rolls a dice and that's who gets it. Rolling the dice in this instance doesn't add luck to the game, it makes it fair I think. Feel free to opine.

 

[predesad]

so its really a tun based gripe, yeah, i agree its a problem / issue that needs to be resolved, something that takes away form the benefit of going first, there should be no real advantage of going first. i think you had a ggod suggestion, in all circumstances where the turn order gives a special bonus to a player, such as wonder builds, discovery of philosophy, space ship completion, whatever there needs to be another factor such as random determination.

i would actually prefer another method in which the project is incomplete as long as two or more players complete on the same turn, then the next turn whoever builds more additional shields to the projector contributes more beakers to the research or whatever is applicable in that situation for that one turn is the player who is awarded the project / bonus. but then i see pros / cons to that solution as well.

 

[predesad]

Okay, I am unveiling my new web page now, it is still a work in progress. the celts are missing there last update, hopefully i can get that finished today. i cannot verify all the links in each page work, so there might be difficulty browsing back & forth from page to page. also, there is one link on each page that has yet to be put in, but that can be accessed from the main page. each civ has a pic of starting location (really start of 2nd turn) a pic of 2350 BC, a small write up of about that same turn, 2350 BC, though the actual turn used to get the information varies from civ to civ. there is also a pic of 1575 BC and an update is included with the pic. there's also other information on each page. eventually the main page will contain a lot more stuff, i will be working on that after i finish the celts page and get any / all links hooked up and verified from page to page. this project can be so masive, i will probably never try to update each civ at the same time. right now there's a limited amount of strategy discussed, but i will get to that after i finish the celts. there's a guest book on the main page which can be used for comments / questions / suggestions.

note: old link in a prior mesage is no longer valid

main page

persian page

sumerian page

indian page

celtic page

all these pages should be able to be accessed from each of the other ones, if there are any missing / invalid links or any other problems just let me know

another note about pics, sometimes when they open up depending upon screen rsolution, pic is very very small, there's an icon that given a few seconds will pop up in the lower right hand corner to enlarge the pic

 

[DogBoy]

An interesting thing has developed. I listed it on the main page at the bottom. Read turn 68.

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[predesad]

An interesting thing has developed

that doesnt sound good

 

[Rocinante]

This thread & the related pages are better than the novel I'm reading.

 

[DogBoy]

The Iroquois have met India. We agreed to a 50 turn peace deal due to so much land being availiable for settling. Updated the Iroquois on my page.

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[DogBoy]

I will be out of town this weekend. I will play my turn Friday night before I leave, and I will be back Sunday night. So basically I will only miss Saturday night. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[predesad]

I will be out of town this weekend.

in the meantime, are the iroquois going to invite the indians & sumerians into there camp for a pow-wow and smoke the pipe of peace?

 

[DogBoy]

It looks like I didn't need to send out an invitation. You kind of invited yourself in, then asked if it was ok.

 

[DogBoy]

It has been a while since I posted. You can read about some updates on my page. We have renewed all our peace deals for another 50 turns so it looks like we will be at peace for quite a while...unless Predesad does something to break the deal I have updated the:
-main page
-iroquois page
-french page
-ottoman page

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[predesad]

unless Predesad does something to break the deal

predesad is a deal maker, not a deal breaker

 

[DogBoy]

Let me rephrase that...

...unless Predesad the Sumerians/Indias/Celts/Persians does something to break the deal.

I know you wouldn't break a deal.

 

[predesad]

...unless Predesad the Sumerians/Indias/Celts/Persians does something to break the deal

let me assure you, the Sumerians, Indians, Celts, and Persians are all honorable people having no intention of doing anything to break any deal, but neither will they be strong armed.

It seems we may soon have our first international incident as the French and Persians are engaged in a border dispute, apparently there is a misunderstanding as to exactly what defined the border. Persia porposed a line north and south from a mountain between a French and Persian city, while the French claim the scattered mountain ranges were the agreed upon border. I am ont certain how this will be worked out. Add a little excitement into the mix, it seems a French warrior is intent upon denying the Persians their desired city spot, in violation of our noninterference clause in a sperate agreement preceding the border negotiations. Thus, Persia is having to look past the border they felt was laready established.

Surely this situation can be resolved peacefully, and perhaps the Mayans could also find a way to entertain border discusions and persuade the Persians to alter the current French border.

 

[DogBoy]

Yes, it seems that a border dispute is indeed underway. The Persians have used poor logic in an attempt to grab what they know is rightfully not their land. They also claim that a French warrior is following his settler which is totally untrue. I have pictures proving that the French warrior was NORTH of the settler when the settler was moving NORTH. Truth be told, his settler was following my warrior! The Persians also claim that since I am denying them their intented upon spot, that they are free to disregard our border agreement and settle where they have to...specifically on my side of the line. To add insult, the Persians have requested that the Mayans interject and persuade the Persians to alter the current border. Hey, how convenient! Let me translate this for you in Persian terms.

"Dear Mr. Mayan King. I made an agreement with the French without properly scouting the land. Now that I have seen they have some sweet land, I plan on settling there. If you would be so kind as to talk to me in an attempt to get the French in altering the current border agreement because I was neglect in conducting proper reconnaisance I would appreciate it. Oh, and please don't tell the French that I take them for complete idiots."

I can't believe the Persians would attempt such an underhanded, sneaky attempt at altering a signed document between the French and the Persians. I should have seen it coming when they sent me this message:

i think there is a lot of trust between us considering the links we are putting on the thread, but at the same time we dont trust each other and hesitate to take anything for granted, studying the exact words for a possible loophole, or maybe that's just my impression

Yep, he found a loophole. That's ok, every plan has a loophole and I just got my shovel out. Time to start digging.

If you want pictures either because you know I'm right, or you wnat to know I'm more right, click on the link below. Check out the French page. Sorry for the size but I wanted the pictures complete. Oh, and if you think I'm wrong, don't say it here. PM me please.

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[predesad]

Let me clarify the situation further, i was simply being coy by suggesting the mayans blah balh blah. the border dispute is a legitimate misunderstanding.

the Persians are trying to negotiate with the french to resolve the issue, there is some sweet land in the territory uinder dispute, which is why we would not have agreed to let france have it freely to begin with.

the persians have proposed the french & persians refrain from settling in the area under dispute along with their mutual allies. we are also seeking to divide up the territory under dispute as we are very intent upon settling near where we are, or letting the french by the territory from them.

as far as DogBoy's accusation:

I can't believe the Persians would attempt such an underhanded, sneaky attempt at altering a signed document between the French and the Persians. I should have seen it coming when they sent me this message:

i think there is a lot of trust between us considering the links we are putting on the thread, but at the same time we dont trust each other and hesitate to take anything for granted, studying the exact words for a possible loophole, or maybe that's just my impression

Yep, he found a loophole. That's ok, every plan has a loophole and I just got my shovel out. Time to start digging.

let me just say i was not looking for a loophole, i know what i agreed to and what i wanted, this is a genuine misunderstanding, happens all the time between nations in RL i meant the other player is always looking to see how his opponent has left a loophole, especially since dogboy seems to question my proposals and i question his. i did not mean we were trying to invent loopholes for ourselves.

it is my hope the french and persians can resolve this issue to their mutual satisfaction, if you wanted a loophole i can give you a very big loophole which believe me you would not like at all.

 

[DogBoy]

To Predesad, I know real life border disputes happen. But so do false accusations and lies (ever heard a Democrat on the campaign trail?) Guess I better keep politics out of this eh?

To all, conflict has been avoided. We both agreed that we were both right in our own minds, and the other person was probably right in their own minds. To make it simple, we each knew what we wanted. We each thought the other person knew what we wanted. But where we made a mistake was neither of us said what we meant. We both just assumed the other person was a mind reader. Anyway, we have decided how to split up that little piece of land that was in dispute. Now we have to decide on the rest of the land so there are no more confusions. You can see how we settled this problem but reading about it on the France page. I have updated the:

main page
France page2

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