Trav'ling Canuck
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What about taking a "free city" and keeping it?
No impact on your relationship with anybody, as far as I can tell.
What about taking a "free city" and keeping it?
If the AI is insisting on a luxury plus GPT while offering nothing in return, then they already have a copy of that luxury. They'll usually still accept it as a gift, but it won't benefit your relationship.AI sometimes can be very picky and even not accept a free luxury as gift unless you add some gold on top.
If the AI is insisting on a luxury plus GPT while offering nothing in return, then they already have a copy of that luxury. They'll usually still accept it as a gift, but it won't benefit your relationship.
It doesn't, because I just tried it. I had good relations with my neighbor Japan, but not good enough to get him to declare friendship with me so we could form an Alliance. I had a monopoly on the world's Mercury, so I gifted him a copy (even though I had already traded him some). Checking the numbers before and after (including waiting the turn after), it had no affect on our relationship.I'm pretty sure it will give you the relationship bonus associated with offering them a gift. Which stacks with the bonus associated with offering them a good trade.
Both of these degrade rapidly (10 turns?) but they can tide you over until warmongering penalties also degrade.
have you read sense and sensibility? its a great read, I don't blame himThis has to be a bug right?
have you read sense and sensibility? its a great read, I don't blame him
May one suggest perhaps one is sitting on the fence and finally getting pushed off.I can't even get open borders with any civ without a gpt payment...Add that to the joint war issue still happening
I'm getting this so bad it is ruining my game. I can't even get open borders with any civ without a gpt payment (min 3 for unknown reason, but most are around 10). For a one on one luxury trade they add 30-40 gpt. It doesn't seem to matter what they think of me. Neutral or friendly is the same deal.
Their open borders means nothing, your open borders you sell them also provides +3.
I had an odd situation last evening. Tamar had denounced me, but she showed up with what looked like a nice trade offer: one of my extra furs for one of her olives and 6 gpt. But I was already importing olives from someone else, so I suggested dyes, which she had also two of, instead, but no dice. When I asked what would make it work, she wanted 36 gpt along with my furs for the dyes.
Any ideas what was going on? Why did she value her olives so much less than her dyes when she appeared to have an extra of each? Did she know I already had olives and that, by some unintended weird trick of AI logic, made it less valuable to her in the trade? Is it possible that no other civ was interested in the olives but that another one would have bought the dyes from her? I didn't count how many of each were on the map, but I know that at least two other civs had olives in their borders, not sure about dyes.
Only if you provided a zip of the log files which means you must have played the last 50 turns or so without closing and reopening the interface. Anything else would be along the speculative lines of @Trav'ling CanuckAny ideas what was going on?
Yes agreed, I did say unless you needed to, I’ll only do so when I need to rather than blanket open. Gold is better than a void I cannot look in to.I find getting their open borders useful
May one suggest perhaps one is sitting on the fence and finally getting pushed off.
I just do not have your issue apart from the odd joint war which I either expect or understand when its happening.
If you want to fix this happening start by sending a delegation to everyone you meet on the turn you meet them apart from perhaps a neighbour you either know you will attack or you suspect will attack you regardless.
As soon as you get open borders ability throw it out there and offer it to everyone that in not right next door and aggressive. Just say here is open borders how much will you pay me. Do not ask for their open borders unless you need them. Their open borders means nothing, your open borders you sell them also provides +3.
So open borders + delegation is +6 and should be pushing some above 0 unless you really had bad luck with first impressions but these should have reduced a couple of points by the time you get open borders.
Either at this stage or earlier you should be thinking who do you want as friends and who as enemies, based on whose agendas do you have the best chance etc etc. Then YOU do a joint war with someone against someone else when it costs little to do so in warmongering points as you get a handsome +5 that degrades veeery slowly. This is why civs are joint warring you.
When you offer your luxes up, offer them to someone at war who will rip your hands off for them as the AI is rubbish at war... also look for civs with large cities, they pay more if they need the amenities.
When I do all of this I'm just fine with deals. If you do nothing it can be a struggle. You should be able to get good deals with any civ that has not denounced you and indications are thats whats happening with you, you are not getting those early plusses and manipulating events to get some friends... including joint wars. Joint wars could be a bit like marriages in the early days.
It does sound like there is an unidentifiable bug out thereSomething's wrong.
Only the logs will helpI will upload a save when I get a chance.
Unfortunately, I closed the program after I was done playing last evening. I'll try to remember to do that next time something weird like that happens.Only if you provided a zip of the log files which means you must have played the last 50 turns or so without closing and reopening the interface.