Unique Builiding Elimination Thread

[jlim201]

This is a elimination thread for unique buildings The voting is +1 for a good building and -3 for a one you dislike. All buildings start with 20 votes
1. Pyramid
2. Stele
3. Bazaar
4. Paper Maker
5. Floating Gardens
6. Hanse
7. Ikanda
8. Satrap's Court
9. Ducal Stable
10. Coffee House
11, Mud Pyramid Mosque
12. Burial Tomb
13- Ceilidh Hall
14. Royal Library
15. Mughal Fort
16. Longhouse
17. Candi
18. Krepost
19. Walls of Babylon

Description of buildings.

Bazaar- Replaces the Market- +1 gold, +2 gold per oasis/oil tile, double luxury resource when improved in the cities radius.

Burial Tomb- Replaces the Temple- +2 Happiness, No maintenance. Doubles gold received by enemy when city captured.

Candi- Replaces Garden- +2 faith for each Religion which has at least 1 follower in the city.

Ceilidh Hall- Replaces Opera House- +3 happiness

Coffee House- Replaces Windmill- + 25% Great person generation, -5% production, but applies to units as well. Can be built on hills.

Ducal Stable- Replaces Stable- + 15 XP for mounted units, + 1 gold per pasture

Floating Gardens- Replaces Water Mill- Can be built beside lake, + 15% growth, + 2 per lake.

Ikanda- Replaces Barracks- Gives a Buffalo Promotion along with the 15 xp.

Krepost- Culture/Gold cost of acquiring new tiles reduced by 25% in this city.

Longhouse- Replaces the Workshop- -10% production, + 1 production per forest tile worked.

Mud Pyramid Mosque- Replaces Temple- +2 Faith +2 Culture

Mughal Fort- Replaces Castle- +2 culture, Provides gold after Flight

Paper Maker- Replaces Library- No maintenance, + 2 gold

Pyramid- Replaces Shrine- +1 Science + 1 Faith

Royal Library- Replaces Library- Provides extra XP for units trained in the city, if filled with a Great work of writing

Satraps Court- Replaces Bank- +2 Happiness

Stele- Replaces Monument- + 2 Faith

Walls of Babylon- Replaces Walls- + 1 Combat Strength, + 50 HP

Wat- Replaces University- + 3 Culture

First vote


Bazaar- 20

Burial Tomb- 20

Candi- 20

Ceilidh Hall- 20

Coffee House- 20

Ducal Stable- 20

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda- 20

Krepost- 20

Longhouse- 20

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 20

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 20


Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 20

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20

The Paper Maker helps the Chinese economy early game by giving 2 gold.

Walls of Babylon are somewhat useless. Your cities should not need the small bonus it gives to defense

 

[civ54lyfe]

Bazaar- 20

Burial Tomb- 20

Candi- 20

Ceilidh Hall- 20

Coffee House- 20

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda- 20

Krepost- 20

Longhouse- 17

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 20

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 20

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 20

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20

Ducal Stables- sort of a no-brainer totally awesome building that you're going to build anyway, and Poland has their Grassland/Plains/Cowhorsecrazy bias, it's going to be huge guaranteed unless you turned start bias off.

Longhouse- playing a game right now with Iriquois and really didn't see the difference here. this is when leaving 5 forest (Lumbermilled) in capitol, and 6 of the same in my second largest city. maybe just not doing it right. also there's the severe urge and maybe need to chop the tiles in the early game for all kinds of reasons.

 

[megistatos]

Bazaar- 20

Burial Tomb- 20

Candi- 20

Ceilidh Hall- 20

Coffee House- 20

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21

Ikanda- 20

Krepost- 20

Longhouse- 17

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 20

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 20

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20


The Floating Gardens affect the raw food total which can give huge growth.
The Royal Library's 10 ep is a little low and is hard to get on your first wave of units.

 

[AW Arcaeca]

Bazaar- 20

Burial Tomb- 20

Candi- 20

Ceilidh Hall- 20

Coffee House- 19 (-1)

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20 (-1)

Ikanda- 20

Krepost - 19 (-1)

Longhouse- 17

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 20

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 21 (+1)

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20

I thought most of them were actually pretty useful, like the Satrap's Court and Pyramid, but I had to give the point to the Stele, for giving the Ethiopians such an overrun cultural/faith advantage.

Honestly, the floating gardens don't seem like much of an improvement on the normal floating gardens to me. The 25% GP generation from coffeehouses are as useful as gardens: which to me, aren't useful. Lastly, the Krepost only gives a 25% speed boost for acquiring tiles? That just doesn't seem like too much of an advantage to me.

 

[The Oz-Man]

Bazaar- 20

Burial Tomb- 20

Candi- 20

Ceilidh Hall- 20

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda- 20

Krepost - 18 (-1)

Longhouse- 15 (-2)

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21 (+1)

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 21

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20

-1 for a silly one, -2 for an actively detrimental one, +1 for what I feel is an underrated one (especially if pushing Temple boosts through beliefs).

 

[cpm4001]

Bazaar - 20 + 1 = 21

Burial Tomb - 20

Candi - 20 - 3 = 17

Ceilidh Hall - 20

Coffee House - 20

Ducal Stable - 20

Floating Gardens - 20

Ikanda - 20

Krepost - 20

Longhouse - 20

Mud Pyramid Mosque - 20

Mughal Fort - 20

Paper Maker - 21

Pyramid - 20

Royal Library - 20


Satraps Court - 20

Stele - 20

Walls of Babylon - 17

Wat - 20

Bazaar - best UB in the game (at least, I think so!).
Candi - What a way to mess up a good idea for a UB. The fresh water requirement makes it utterly useless for most situations.

 

[vibe96]

Bazaar - 21

Burial Tomb - 21

Candi - 17

Ceilidh Hall - 17

Coffee House - 20

Ducal Stable - 20

Floating Gardens - 20

Ikanda - 20

Krepost - 20

Longhouse - 20

Mud Pyramid Mosque - 20

Mughal Fort - 20

Paper Maker - 21

Pyramid - 20

Royal Library - 20

Satraps Court - 20

Stele - 20

Walls of Babylon - 17

Wat - 20

 

[bozosmithy]

Bazaar - 22 for me amazing love to trade with ai and get good gold advantage

Burial Tomb - 21

Candi - 17 for me you don't want another religion in your city so crazy one for me

Ceilidh Hall - 17

Coffee House - 20

Ducal Stable - 20

Floating Gardens - 20

Ikanda - 20

Krepost - 20

Longhouse - 20

Mud Pyramid Mosque - 20

Mughal Fort - 20

Paper Maker - 21

Pyramid - 20

Royal Library - 20

Satraps Court - 20

Stele - 20

Walls of Babylon - 17

Wat - 20

 

[civ54lyfe]

Bazaar- 22

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 17

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda- 20

Krepost - 18

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 21

Walls of Babylon- 17

Wat- 20


this looks to be the accurate count for all who posted after _Oz. helps if posters make their votes on the last tally, not the original list.

 

[Gyra Solune]

Bazaar- 22

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 17

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

+1 Ikanda - 21 : This is basically what makes the Zulu awesome. They give fast-promoting units a selection of very potent promotions that turn even Spearmen into unstoppable walls of doom. Once they become Impis, you basically steamroll everything with a cheap, durable class of unit otherwise unfit to wage heavy war with.

Krepost - 18

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 21

-3 Walls of Babylon - 14 : Yeah, if you're playing as Babylon you're probably not even prioritizing Masonry, not unless you have Marble in the vicinity. Bonuses to defense are rather pointless, as if you're really in danger of being taken over, it'd happen whether or not you had regular walls or the Babylonian kind. These should honestly give Culture or Faith or Tourism or something atop their existing bonuses. As it stands right now, these don't do anything given how serious invasions are far less common in BNW.

Wat- 20

 

[FilthyRobot]

Bazaar- 22

Burial Tomb- 21

-3 Candi- (17-3) 14 A building improvement of a weak, later game building that is going, best case, give 3 faith, and is much more likely go be giving 0-1 faith, at a point when 0-3 faith is fairly weak AND it requires the city be built on fresh water. Whoever designed Indonesia must hate the country.

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 18

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

+1 Stele- (21+1) 22 Super early free religion from building a monument, plus you don't have to tech early pottery for once!

Walls of Babylon - 14

Wat- 20

 

[jlim201]

Bazaar- 23 The extra lux resource is awesome for more gold, and when unhappy, get more new luxes.

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 11- Who wants other religions in their city? Also, it must be on fresh water.

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 18

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 20

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 22
Walls of Babylon - 14

Wat- 20

 

[Sake]

Bazaar- 23

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 11 -

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 15 I build barracks to two or three best production cities, not in every single city. Border growth bonus could be useful in building that you build in every single city, like library. But barracks that gives border bonus isn't that useful.

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21 Early science and faith is always good.

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 22

Walls of Babylon - 14

Wat- 20

 

[SirPepsi]

Bazaar- 24

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 8

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 20

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 15

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 22

Walls of Babylon - 14

Wat- 20

The Bazaar is one of the most powerful early game buildings, allowing the player to swim in gold prior to the availability of multiply sea trade routes. Happiness is also spare at this time, but extra luxuries allows for trade w/ Immortal/Deity AIs, who have several copies of a luxury fairly early.

The Candi is incredibly situational. Without religious diversity, it's not much more than a Garden, a building that can only be built in special cases itself.

 

[bhavv]

]Bazaar- 24

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 6 -2

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21 +1

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14 -1

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 22

Walls of Babylon - 14

Wat- 20

Floating Gardens +1. My favorite UB, food bonus is the best thing you can get as population = power.

Candi -2. I do like gardens, but only for the GPP bonus, the rest of this is a meh building, and too situational with an already situational civ (look for several freshwater cities on different landmasses ... Yea noty, I just wont bother playing them).

Krepost -1. Just a junk bonus to it.

 

[jlim201]

Bazaar- 24

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 6

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 23- The Stele can allow the Ethiopians get a pantheon very quickly.

Walls of Babylon - 11- Useless, Useless walls.

Wat- 20

 

[TreYs]

Bazaar- 25 Very powerful bonus with the double luxuries. It gives even a single luxury the ability to be traded for gold. This building is almost a game-breaker.

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 6

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 23

Walls of Babylon - 8 I never build defensive buildings unless I have the Fortified Borders tenant or the Neuschwanstein, so this thing seems bar useless.

Wat- 20

Also, shouldn't we also include the tile improvements to this list, such as the Chateau, Polder, etc?

 

[sendos]

Bazaar- 25

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 3 Too situational for any effective use. Need river + diverse religions in your neighbourhood for it to be effective.

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14

Longhouse- 15

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 24 Great for setting up quick pantheon and early religion.

Walls of Babylon - 8

Wat- 20

 

[jlim201]

Bazaar- 25

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 3

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21 Growth is key to success. THe floating Gardens allow Aztecs to have high pops

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14

Longhouse- 12- Seems worse than what it replaces

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 24

Walls of Babylon - 8

Wat- 20

 

[Kintara]

Bazaar- 25

Burial Tomb- 21

Candi- 4 I don't consider this building "situational." I just got a free one from building Hanging Gardens, and you are guaranteed +2 Faith, even if you don't have any religion at all. Building on a lake or river is easy. And running three religions in your city should be pretty easy. Just steal missionaries. Everyone complains about all the religion spam. Make it work for you. That gives it a truly immense bonus. It doesn't deserve an early exit. Edit: Faith = Great People; even if you never found a religion, it's still a great help.

Ceilidh Hall- 17

Coffee House- 19

Ducal Stable- 21

Floating Gardens- 21

Ikanda - 21

Krepost - 14

Longhouse- 12

Mud Pyramid Mosque- 21

Mughal Fort- 20

Paper Maker- 21

Pyramid- 21

Royal Library- 17

Satraps Court- 20

Stele- 24

Walls of Babylon - 5 This, on the other hand, just doesn't have much that I like about it. It's not a bonus that accrues in the same way that Gold or Faith or Food does. It stacks with the other defensive buildings, but that resiliency shouldn't come into play that frequently.

Wat- 20