CaesarCardinale
Chieftain
Lookin' good, Kinboat! 
I agree with Xen, I'd love to see a WWI version and a more modern version.
I agree with Xen, I'd love to see a WWI version and a more modern version.
Unit Preview: Modern Legionary
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Kal-el said:hmm, Xen doesn't know something, fascinating.
This looks great as WWI infantry. And has been said before no modern soldier would wear all that get-up, certainly not a WWII soldier. A modern Roman soldier's kevlar vest might retain some of the design elements of the old armor, but only as an homage to the past. The suits they are making today have been pretty well designed for maximum effectiveness and movement.
my mian thing is ancient and medieval, latter periods arnt as much known by me, or perhaps youd like to continue being a jackass?
anyway, modern forms of armour bear a fair resemblence to ancient Greek and early Roman armour
Kal-el said:
I happen to agree with Kinboats thought of swoard being useful for trench warfare- or perhaps you forgot that whole melee aspect of WWI
that said, I wouldnt be half as criticle of you if you would just leave me alone, and cut the curt comments.
you get enough of your fanciful unit designs made, let me have a little fun with an idea I found on the internet, that other people happen to enjoy as is, like I do.
Kal-el
Deity
let's try and keep the language clean there, buddy.Xen said:
as for the gladius, like I said, this guy is perfect for WWI, but anything after that is just not realistic.
rather than getting this any further off topic ...
and now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Just voicing my opinion on your comment- I'm happy enough to let bygones be bygones, assuming I spelled that right (doubtful), but you know what I mean- I try to be less of an a-hole, but everyone else more or less has to stop critiscizing me an every turn.
as far as the unit goes
A)I agree, a sword on a modern unit would be weird- however, I would support either a Pugio (a wide bladed dagger used more or less when in close striaght, it was needed to virtually gut the enemy) or a cross between a pugio, and a modern military darre design wise, and perhaps half the legth of a common gladius
B)as far as armour goes, I imagine that a moder legionary would be wearing th emost effective armour availible- even in our age of kevlar body armour, metal reinforcemtn plates are still needed- just ask riot squads- the design on the modern legions armour, if you look at it, is made so that the legionary can bend over unimpeeded, while still being fully covered
as far as the unit goes
A)I agree, a sword on a modern unit would be weird- however, I would support either a Pugio (a wide bladed dagger used more or less when in close striaght, it was needed to virtually gut the enemy) or a cross between a pugio, and a modern military darre design wise, and perhaps half the legth of a common gladius
B)as far as armour goes, I imagine that a moder legionary would be wearing th emost effective armour availible- even in our age of kevlar body armour, metal reinforcemtn plates are still needed- just ask riot squads- the design on the modern legions armour, if you look at it, is made so that the legionary can bend over unimpeeded, while still being fully covered
Amenhotep7
Spartiate
I think light armor would be beneficial to combat. I say keep it.
Kal-el
Deity
The pugio idea sounds good, and I by no means ever meant to suggest that the modern unit should not have armor, of course he should have some form of body armor, just not as bulky as that worn by the current model. Now, if this were going to be a future Roman Legionaire, then in that case I would have no problem jumping back to the bulkier looking armor, e.g. the US's latest Land Warrior system.Xen said:
Kal-el said:
I've been campaigning for such a unit, including an incarnation of this unit to be mad ein such a fashio via PM for a while now
on a side note, you should have seen a draft of what a future legionary could have been, that while interesting, and if cokoured differentlly might have taken off, looked... well, this unit is a much better design
Kinboat
Conan the Librarian
As I said in a previous post while I called it modern in this thread I have envisioned a WW1 style soldier from the first time I saw the concept. And if I was to do a more modern style I mentioned I would shrink the gladius and change the armor.
Wyrmshadow
Deity
My two bits:
1) there was a lot of hand-to-hand combat in the trenches in WW1
2) he can wave around the gladius or use it in a death blow as the victory anim.
1) there was a lot of hand-to-hand combat in the trenches in WW1
2) he can wave around the gladius or use it in a death blow as the victory anim.
Ekmek
on steam: ekmek_e
For modern maybe he could just afix the gladius as a type of bayonet. But also with the modern soldier I'm not sure you have to reduce the size so much, The Roman army may have focused more on peacekeeping duties and expected to have more armor for its troops. The US military culture is centered on quick strikes and prefers not to do the policing role that the Romans appeared to be used to (not that the US Army doesnt find itself policing a lot).
Thorgrimm
Senior Elder
Let me add my 2 cents. Even in todays modern battlefield an edged weapon can come in very handy. Trust me there were times i wish i had a pig sticker like the Gladius. 
As for form, it probably would be pared down some, to about 2 foot, as it is only 3 foot long including the handle! Not like the 5 foot long Swords people are thinking about. Remember the Gladius was designed for close in fighting, not like the other swords made then. Trim down it's size and i can see plenty of uses for it, even on an equilivent Roman modern battlefield. Also the Romans were VERY keen on tradition so would probably make all their equipment look like some form of the imperial era versions. Also consider this. The Romans would most likely keep their non-citizens unarmed, so why waste bullets when you can give your troops some needed sword fighting training.
Cheers Thorgrimm
As for form, it probably would be pared down some, to about 2 foot, as it is only 3 foot long including the handle! Not like the 5 foot long Swords people are thinking about. Remember the Gladius was designed for close in fighting, not like the other swords made then. Trim down it's size and i can see plenty of uses for it, even on an equilivent Roman modern battlefield. Also the Romans were VERY keen on tradition so would probably make all their equipment look like some form of the imperial era versions. Also consider this. The Romans would most likely keep their non-citizens unarmed, so why waste bullets when you can give your troops some needed sword fighting training. Cheers Thorgrimm
aaglo
Furioso!
About the use of close-combat weapons:
In finnish army, they even taught us to use the small shovel (carried by every soldier) as a weapon - yep, it has quite a punch with the sharp edge
And in the officer school, some of us were carrying an axe instead of the shovel. Now THAT'S a weapon you would be surprised to see in a modern battlefield.
aaglo-the-axeman
[EDIT]: and don't forget the Civ3 Guerilla's AttackB (he's using the bayonett - even against a tank
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In finnish army, they even taught us to use the small shovel (carried by every soldier) as a weapon - yep, it has quite a punch with the sharp edge
And in the officer school, some of us were carrying an axe instead of the shovel. Now THAT'S a weapon you would be surprised to see in a modern battlefield.
aaglo-the-axeman
[EDIT]: and don't forget the Civ3 Guerilla's AttackB (he's using the bayonett - even against a tank
)Thorgrimm said:Let me add my 2 cents. Even in todays modern battlefield an edged weapon can come in very handy. Trust me there were times i wish i had a pig sticker like the Gladius.
Cheers Thorgrimm
cool idea, interesting to hear that a modern soldire had want of a short sword on his duties...aaglo said:About the use of close-combat weapons:
In finnish army, they even taught us to use the small shovel (carried by every soldier) as a weapon - yep, it has quite a punch with the sharp edge
And in the officer school, some of us were carrying an axe instead of the shovel. Now THAT'S a weapon you would be surprised to see in a modern battlefield.
aaglo-the-axeman
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the finnish UU- Aaglo the modern finish berserker!- actually, considering the lacation, and the fact that axes are still distributed to troops in boder armies, makes it the perfect choice for a modern type Viking UU
that said, did you have an axe while you were in the army (as it sounds like you were/are), and if so, I'm just curious about if you have a picture of it
Sword_Of_Geddon
Arbiter of the Sword
It would be nice to have some futuristic flavor units for each culture actually.
Imagine a future Roman unit, wearing red armor similiar to Star War's Boba Fett(Only with a Crest of coarse), and armed with a Gladius version of a lightsaber, as well as a Laser Rifle...
Or even Roman Themed Mecha...
Imagine a future Roman unit, wearing red armor similiar to Star War's Boba Fett(Only with a Crest of coarse), and armed with a Gladius version of a lightsaber, as well as a Laser Rifle...
Or even Roman Themed Mecha...
aaglo
Furioso!
Xen,
yes I was in the army
yes I packed an axe for a while
no, I don't have a picture of me with the axe (it wasn't any fancy double-bladed double-hand axe - it was a small hand axe maily used to cut/chop wood).
yep, the finnish army is using modern equipment
yes I was in the army
yes I packed an axe for a while
no, I don't have a picture of me with the axe (it wasn't any fancy double-bladed double-hand axe - it was a small hand axe maily used to cut/chop wood).
yep, the finnish army is using modern equipment
Goldflash
Civ III Modder, Civ VII Player
Hey, Kinboat.... I personally would like to see him with an assualt rifle and, Most importantly, a Paradrop Flic.I would use him as a replacement for the Multirole Infantry in my mod.
Sword_Of_Geddon said:
beem there, done that, the concept is good on papaer, but isnt nearlly as good as one might expect when renderd- though I suppose a change in the colourin gmight have helped, I asuure, giving the current unit a "laser rifle" (lasres more then likelly wont be anything more then artillery/ heavy weapons, handheld weapons will more then likelly continue to be some sort of projectile)
as for mecha, i dont know about others, but personally, I think there stupid- though I generally dislike anime... besides, mecha isnt very practicle in military terms
Goldflash said:
I agree- if the secret of the ancient Roman legions was the versitilty to poerate in the same manner rain or shine from the moutains of Britain, the forests of Germany, the Hills of Italy, or the deserts of Nubia, I would suppose the secret of a more modern legion success would be similer, yet expanded versitilitySimilar threads
