v1.52 - Defensive Pacts Not Working?

[porkdiesel]

Single player, yes, multiplayer, i dont know

Sometimes, I can see the Defensive Pact available in the Diplomacy screen. So I make a defensive pact. Somebody declares war on me, and then my AI buddy declares war on them. But then our defensive pact is cancelled. WTH?And then I can't make any more pacts, see below.

most of the time, I don't even see the option for a defensive pact in the diplomacy screen after discovering the tech that allows it. Even if I have friendly relations. And yes, the AI's have discovered the tech required as well.

 

[MrCynical]

Defensive pacts are terminated the instant either party declares war on a third civ, to prevent the hideous mess that mutual defence pacts were in Civ 3. As a result, when you are attacked, your ally declares war on the attacker. Since this is a declaration of war on a third party (from your ally's perspective) it then ends the defensive pact.

I'm not sure on the exact rules of when a pact is available, but it seems to be fairly unusual I get the option.

 

[porkdiesel]

I was playing last night and a thought occured to me -
maybe you can only make a pact when neither side is at war.
maybe you can only make one pact at a time. so if other players have pacts you can't propose one?

 

[MrCynical]

These sound plausible explanations, I'll have to try testing them.

 

[warpstorm]

You can't make a pact when either party is at war.

 

[gunnergoz]

The only time I ever entered into one, with Catherine, she unexpectedly declared war on me in the next few turns.

 

[Finite Monkey]

You can have multiple pacts