Variations in Wonders

[T-Money]

Just a small and somewhat useless idea I had while playing civ last night.

Here it is: You know how in real life each wonder was only built by a certain civ? Like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria? Well, I thought it would be interesting if each civ got a bonus if they built the wonder that was actually in their civ. Like if the Greeks/Egyptians build the Lighthouse, then the Lighthouse allows their galleys to have an extra movement point on top of the original extra point. And if the Chinese built Sun Tzu's Art Of War, then 1 in every 10 troops made would be elites instead of veteran in addition to the barracks. Something like that would, I think, increase the variety in choosing your civ. Would you rather have a stronger army (Chinese) or would you rather have happier people (Baylon). etc etc

Another idea, but for small wonders: basically the same thing, except every civ gets a different advantage for their small wonder. eg the Intelligence Agency would be replaced by the CIA Headquarters for America, allowing them to be more successful in espionage missions. Or Homer's Iliad replacing the Heroic Epic for Greece and making the odds of GL 1 in 12 instead of 1 in 14. Or Sun Tzu's War Academy replacing the War Academy for China, and allowing the production of armies that have 3 extra hpts, one for each army member.

 

[SwitchbladeNGC]

There is a slight problem with that idea. Not all Civs have a wonder that is theirs and some civs have more than others. People would tend to want to play as civs with more Wonders that belong to that civ.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

I like the idea.

A minor bonus wouldn't hurt the balance too much and they could probably make up for it somehow. The civs aren't perfectly balanced now either and since the starting position plays a bigger role than these small stat changes in some wonders I don't think it would matter that much.

I wouldn't even mind if Greek is bit better/easier than Scandinavia in the end.

 

[Dr. Broom]

Some countries don't have any wonders but I am sure for many of them you could use something they made like Brandenburg gate for Germany or Notre Dame for France. The problem is what do you do for civs like the Zulu who didn't build anything close to something deemable as a wonder?

 

[Chimp]

Just on the topic of wonders, after the apollo topic I was thinking there should be some cooperative wonders. The ISS would be something multiple countries could work on, and each of those countries would get some benefits.

 

[T-Money]

Every country has something unique to use: even the Zulu are well known for their amazing tactical solutions to difficult battles. This is why the dominated a huge part of South Africa in the 1800's. Maybe they could have the Military Academy available earlier, or maybe their armies could automatically hold 4 units, but with the Pentagon (maybe Strategy Hut or something) they can fit 5.

I know there are problems of balance, ie China gets Sun Tzus and Great Wall with extra benifits, some civs get more than others etc. But this could be balanced by making the other wonders drastically less effective for them. For example, if China builds the Great Wall and Sun Tzu's, but earlier on they built the Great Lighthouse, then the Great Lighthouse will have practically no worth to them. Maybe it only lets them travel and extra square, but not in the sea tiles. Or maybe if the Greeks build the Great Lighthouse and Copernicus' Observatory (he was greek right?) then Sun Tzu's makes the upgrade cost 2/3 or 3/4 instead of 1/2. Or if the Romans build Leo's Workshop, then it lets them upgrade at 1/3 or 1/4 the cost, but Sun Tzu's Art of War will only produce barracks in every city above size 7. You get the idea.

 

[ManOfMiracles]

Or maybe if the Greeks build the Great Lighthouse and Copernicus' Observatory (he was greek right?)

Actually Nicolaus Copernicus is the Latinized variant on his name Mikolaj Kopernik and he was Polish.

 

[Gelion]

I'm for the idea as long as the wonders are balanced and do not affec the game largely. International wonders (like ISS) are great too. At least they can be the reason not to destroy enemy civs.

 

[bob rulz]

I like the idea of the ISS. It could be implenented in so many other ways.

I do not, however, like the idea of increased abilities if a civ builds a great wonder they had in real life. There is almost no way you could balance this.

 

[Stid]

i dont agree with them as the point of a wonder is to give a slight bonus not an extreme advantage and some would be really annoying like the apollo project was built by the americans n they could build their ships quicker than everyone else cos of this.if i was a rival civ that would really p*** me off.and to balence them out you would need to give EVERYONE the chance of gettin their own wonder - a wonder is something unique thats unlike anything other civs have in the world. so im gettin at the point that there arent too many wonders in the world because they have to be something special so the game shouldnt be spoilt by so many wonders which are basically pointless.

after being so cruel with that idea (sorry lol) i do like the co-operative wonder idea but i cant think of any examples right now. anyone else?

 

[Gelion]

International Space Station could be a good co-operative wonder methinks...
It could em.... generate extra shields for capital cities? Or boost research? Or happines? (look what a wonderfull station we have up there, doesn't matter that we are starving/at war/etc)

 

[K.F. Huszár]

there are some reasons in the original idea, but we can revert it: the civ to which the certain wonders can be linked might bulit them faster. E.g. China the Sun Tzu, or Babylon the Semiramis, or Greece the Artemis temple and so on. The only important thing is to balance the civs and wonders thus eevry civ should have the same specific wonder.
?

 

[socralynnek]

Hmmm...somehow I think we can work on it: How about this: for every Civ, there is one wonder that gives them an extra advantage:
For example for the Zulu it could be Sun Tzus or so...
So maybe, if the Zulus build Sun Tzus they do not only get free barracks on their continent, but in every city or produces one Knight every 7 turns or so.
Same can be done for Small Wonders.
For Germany it could be JS Bach's (he was German), for America the UN or Internet, for Portugal Magellan's Voyage and so on...For others who don't have wonders that were really build there, it could be a wonder that fits to their traits.

 

[Yom]

Or, a simpler way of putting it, giving a civ with the right traits advantages with wonders. In way this has already been done, as you can get a golden age if you build the right wonders. Trait-based wonder bonuses would be much more easily implemented than civ-based bonuses. I can imagine them integrating that. I doubt they'll make the bonuses wonder based though.

 

[Paradigne]

Give 'the Great Wall' to the Mongol's. No they didn't build it, but they WERE the reason it was built...

 

[PeteAtoms]

The one beef i have with this idea is that i think of the game as an alternate history game and i like thinking what if the Scandinavians had built the Colossus, or the Egyptians had built the Great Wall, etc.

 

[Babbler]

Just a small and somewhat useless idea I had while playing civ last night.

Here it is: You know how in real life each wonder was only built by a certain civ? Like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon and the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria? Well, I thought it would be interesting if each civ got a bonus if they built the wonder that was actually in their civ. Like if the Greeks/Egyptians build the Lighthouse, then the Lighthouse allows their galleys to have an extra movement point on top of the original extra point. And if the Chinese built Sun Tzu's Art Of War, then 1 in every 10 troops made would be elites instead of veteran in addition to the barracks. Something like that would, I think, increase the variety in choosing your civ. Would you rather have a stronger army (Chinese) or would you rather have happier people (Baylon). etc etc

It defeat one of the purpose of civ: to rewrite history.

Another idea, but for small wonders: basically the same thing, except every civ gets a different advantage for their small wonder. eg the Intelligence Agency would be replaced by the CIA Headquarters for America, allowing them to be more successful in espionage missions. Or Homer's Iliad replacing the Heroic Epic for Greece and making the odds of GL 1 in 12 instead of 1 in 14. Or Sun Tzu's War Academy replacing the War Academy for China, and allowing the production of armies that have 3 extra hpts, one for each army member.

An Uninque Small Wonder... I like it! Maybe they could be any other Golden age triger. What could they be?

America - CIA HQ
England - Commonwealth of Nations
France - Norh Dame
Egypt - Spynx
... - ...

There would need to be more small wonders, of course...

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

What I think would be more balancing rather than giving a bonus the civ who actually built it in real life, how about you get a bonus if your civ trait matches up with it. So a militaristic player would get more benefit from Sun Tzu, but a religious civ would get more out of the Sistein Chaple.

Edit: Dang, Yom beat me to my point. Guess thats what I get for not reading all the posts first.