Shibbyman
Chieftain
In regards to UHV's, does controlling a vassal that owns a particular region have the same effect as owning a region directly? I'm worried because, playing as Germany, I vassalised the Ottomans and it's getting close to 1870.
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Vassalisation and UHV's
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blizzrd
Micromanager
If you need to control an area for your UHV, don't pick up a vassal that has cities in the area. You only win the UHV for your cities being in the area, not your vassal's cities. The exception is that Arabia can vassalize Spain and still get it's UHV condition.
Well, since this is in the topic of vassalization, how do you even get vassals without capitulation? Nobody ever asks me to be their masters, unless they're unstable and I refuse. As France, I took Algeria. England took Southwest Africa, near Mali. How come Mali wont ask me if they can be vassalized, but would take England?
Also, I don't have any cities in Asia or the Pacific, but how would anyone else in this case take Khmer as a vassal? I can probably conquer them with me power, but I don't want them to crumble.
Also, I don't have any cities in Asia or the Pacific, but how would anyone else in this case take Khmer as a vassal? I can probably conquer them with me power, but I don't want them to crumble.
AnotherPacifist
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It's so easy to play nice and have civs BEG to be your vassal (especially if you're France). Sell them maps, trade resources, adopt free religion, play protector against bullies.
-But what if I have the same religion as who I want to vassal, it would still be better if I chose free religion?
-Just selling them maps makes a difference?
-And usually, there is really unbalanced deals. If I ask anybody what they want for a resource, they choose three of mine.
-Just selling them maps makes a difference?
-And usually, there is really unbalanced deals. If I ask anybody what they want for a resource, they choose three of mine.
AnotherPacifist
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Traditionally strong powers won't vassalize to you (e.g. if you're France and you want England), unless you've massively ahead of them and they're losing a war (I had Germany as a French vassal when they were losing a war against Russia and Turkey).
Also, the sizes of your army and your land need to large enough to impress some civs to want to vassalize. E.g. Khmer won't vassalize at one time until I had founded my 10th or 11th city (they changed their mind the same turn I founded that city).
Also, the sizes of your army and your land need to large enough to impress some civs to want to vassalize. E.g. Khmer won't vassalize at one time until I had founded my 10th or 11th city (they changed their mind the same turn I founded that city).
blizzrd
Micromanager
Smash the master civ in a quick war. Seizing and razing their capital will usually do the trick.
thadian
Kami of Awakened Dreamers
it also seems some countries are more prone to be vassals of other countries. mali will usually capitulate to anyone - even khmer. however, its no easy task to get mongolian vassals unless your russia or china.
vassals aren't normally that helpful as you might expect because if you gank their resources you get a penalty for a vassal with bad stability (unless you want the vassal to collapse). but to keep your vassals balanced to good stability, they will give you a stability bonus and that can be really nice. they are also a common tool people use to gift captured cities to. germany can handle owning a french city in europe - its not a good idea for monty or tokugawa to keep it, though.
im not sure if its true but ive seen some people say that owning vassals in general can cause instability. ie - if mali owns monty, mali get a penalty for a vassal outside of its area or land outside its area or something?
lastly to get peaceful vassals, you can get some culture in their area if possible, and if not to become stronger and get good diplo with them. sometimes it might help to be in a minimum turn token war as their ally because it does give you a bonus with them. be careful with this because sometimes they capitulate and are at war with you out of nowhere.
vassals aren't normally that helpful as you might expect because if you gank their resources you get a penalty for a vassal with bad stability (unless you want the vassal to collapse). but to keep your vassals balanced to good stability, they will give you a stability bonus and that can be really nice. they are also a common tool people use to gift captured cities to. germany can handle owning a french city in europe - its not a good idea for monty or tokugawa to keep it, though.
im not sure if its true but ive seen some people say that owning vassals in general can cause instability. ie - if mali owns monty, mali get a penalty for a vassal outside of its area or land outside its area or something?
lastly to get peaceful vassals, you can get some culture in their area if possible, and if not to become stronger and get good diplo with them. sometimes it might help to be in a minimum turn token war as their ally because it does give you a bonus with them. be careful with this because sometimes they capitulate and are at war with you out of nowhere.
