Venice discussion

[loserforsale]

By the way, consider the horror of being Venice and getting embargoed by the WC...

At least Venice can use those extra trade routes internally. Portugal and Morocco would lose their entire UAs if embargoed. Moreover, so far as we can tell there's no need to be allied in order to take over a CS using a MoV so that may well be a good way to reduce the number of votes available to your enemies and so avoid the embargo to begin with.

 

[Bakspatel]

Did you tested recently? At least it provided free aqueduct when GnK came out. http://i44.tinypic.com/rvd45j.jpg

And there is not much chance you get good belief with late religion. Tradition will give immediate, reliable benefits.

Doesn't this apply to your first four founded cities? Or is that only for the free cultural building?
That would be another issue since you're wasting a policy on something that is only for 25% effective.

 

[meowschwitz]

Doesn't this apply to your first four founded cities? Or is that only for the free cultural building?
That would be another issue since you're wasting a policy on something that is only for 25% effective.

It's actually the first four cities that you acquire by any means. My fourth city was the enemies capital and it got a free amphitheater in a previous game of mine. Venice's first three puppets will get the culture building and aqueduct

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

It's actually the first four cities that you acquire by any means. My fourth city was the enemies capital and it got a free amphitheater in a previous game of mine. Venice's first three puppets will get the culture building and aqueduct

I did not know it applied to non-founded cities. Tradition is definitely in Venice's wheelhouse.

 

[El Caballerion]

This has probably been answered already but if Venice goes to war with a civ (let's say Greece), and captures Greece's cities, are these cities instantly destroyed? What if they capture Athens (the capital)?

 

[Epic Eric]

This has probably been answered already but if Venice goes to war with a civ (let's say Greece), and captures Greece's cities, are these cities instantly destroyed? What if they capture Athens (the capital)?

No. You'll have the option to raze them or puppet them (Athens can only be puppeted). It's the same as capturing cities as another Civ, except you don't have an option to annex them.

 

[El Caballerion]

ooooh, for some reason i thought you could only puppet city-states.

 

[Loaf Warden]

The Merchant of Venice directly puppets City-States. Venice can still conquer and puppet other cities normally.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

People seem to forget that Venice can still expand using conquest. They can even buy cities from other people's (but that is very unlikely to happen)

 

[Talcove]

Retaking a city is not capturing it in game terms. The city goes back to your control always, you don't even get the option of puppeting or annexing.

But if, when your capital is taken, your new capital is annexed in order to be useful, what happens once you retake your original capital?

 

[Loaf Warden]

Retaking your original capital always makes it your capital again.

 

[Seek]

Retaking your original capital always makes it your capital again.

I think his question was "what happens to the annexed city?" The answer is that this is all speculation and we won't know until we try. Likelihood of this scenario is small though (unless someone's playing above their skill level), so it doesn't matter very much.

 

[Loaf Warden]

It's possible Venice couldn't annex the new capital anyway. I've seen civs move their capital to a puppet and leave it puppeted before. And since Venice can purchase things in puppets, that wouldn't be as much a hindrance to them as it is to anyone else. But, as you say, it's all speculation, and we can't know yet.

 

[headcase]

No wonder building for the rest of the game unless Venice is reclaimed... then again, usually things aren't going well anyway when you've lost your capital, so fair enough.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

It's possible Venice couldn't annex the new capital anyway. I've seen civs move their capital to a puppet and leave it puppeted before. And since Venice can purchase things in puppets, that wouldn't be as much a hindrance to them as it is to anyone else. But, as you say, it's all speculation, and we can't know yet.

The diffrence there is that was actually a glitch, they made the AI annex more cities now.

It is interesting to see how Venice behaves.

 

[Calouste]

No wonder building for the rest of the game unless Venice is reclaimed... then again, usually things aren't going well anyway when you've lost your capital, so fair enough.

Yes, I wonder why people make such a point about it. If I'd lose my capital, I'd start a new game.

 

[Bad Wolf]

I think the ability of Venice to have a steady supply of food and production coming in from its puppets via trade routes (it's got 'em to spare) will turn out to be one of their greatest assets. Venice could be the world's super-capital. And the military you could produce from a well-oiled capital city supplied by trade routes could be immense.

 

[headcase]

Thinking about it more, a big military will be very important for Venice. It makes warlike civs more likely to befriend you rather than declare, and in cases where Venice decides to go conquering, it decreases the chances of other civs denouncing, out of fear, both things being good for trade routes. Also, there are a lot of trade routes to keep safe and likely a fragmented civ to protect.

 

[gunnergoz]

Thinking about it more, a big military will be very important for Venice. It makes warlike civs more likely to befriend you rather than declare, and in cases where Venice decides to go conquering, it decreases the chances of other civs denouncing, out of fear. Also, there are a lot of trade routes to keep safe and likely a fragmented civ to protect.

It only needs to be big enough to defend its holdings, and not as big as a conquering host. Venice best conquers economically, not militarily, though obviously it must have a credible military to defend itself and keep rivals from getting feisty.

 

[DeutschDachs]

Would it be safe to assume building faith is a big part of playing Venice? Buying Great Merchants with faith could be pretty handy...