Version 2.7 discussion

Subaru WrXxX · Apr 20, 2009

Retrospect said:
While I am looking forward to the next concepts and things to be added in 2.7, I would much rather see some (hopefully all) of the kinks ironed out of the current version. Many of us cannot play the megapack for some reason and some of the mapscripts dont appear to be functioning quite the way they should (some resources not being generated on certain maps etc). If you would like any details on these issues feel free to PM me.

I wholeheartedly second this. Can anyone actually get the 2.62 megapack to load a map w/o a crash to desktop? If so can u post your specs, Im starting to think its something in the megapack thats conflicting with newer ( or all ) nvidia cards....thanks

Subaru WrXxX · Apr 20, 2009

Zorn said:
Could you create some popup that informs you about conquered wonders in a city? It`s kinda sad to accidentially burn, lets say olymic games down because you weren`t aware it`s located it the city you just took.

Suggestions now:

4 Wonders per city: I see the point of inhibiting the supercity which has the output of a small empire on it`s own, but only 4 seems a bit harsh. What about 4 not-obsolete wonders?

The trade caravan seems quite powerful to me. On snail/gigantic it nets 420 gold per mission (don`t now if it scales with speed or size - speed yould mae more sense). That means a single semi-decent city which produces a caravan every 6 or so turns completely runs your whole economy by it`s own, since the caravan ust has to go to the nearest foreign town to generate the full amount of money. Maybe it isn`t a problem on other sizes/speeds, but on my combination it seems bro0ken.
I don`t really now how to fix that, since it has to be more efficient than ust to build wealth. Maybe mae the profit depend on the distance/size of the target city, like for a GM? That way you would have to invest time and tae a risk to get the reward, and if the caravan is a national unit it would not be such a money generating machine.

The conquered wonders in a city is a GREAT idea & one of my long standing gripes w/ Civ4....If u knew what great people & upgrades/buildings also before deciding to raze or install a new gov thatd be great to. As for the trade caravans on snail speed, thats right on also. In my current nonmegapack 2.62 game the ONLY way Im able to keep around 85-100% research AND not be broke is to build one of these from my capital every 10-20 turns or so...I like the idea & all but on Snail speed its way unbalanced....& about Snail speed & the tech pacing or w/e u wish to call it, some changes may need to be made as said in an earlier post, Im starting to discover stuff a bit to early in relation to the timeline....

Retrospect · Apr 20, 2009

Subaru WrXxX said:
I wholeheartedly second this. Can anyone actually get the 2.62 megapack to load a map w/o a crash to desktop? If so can u post your specs, Im starting to think its something in the megapack thats conflicting with newer ( or all ) nvidia cards....thanks

Processor: 2.8Ghz Intel 4

RAM: 2 Ghz

Display: ATI Radeon X800

OS: Win 32 XP

My PC is a Dell so I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with that as I have had many software problems solely due to the fact that its a Dell. Dunno what new Dells are like nowadays but I certainly won't be buying another when I finally upgrade :sad:

reconverse · Apr 20, 2009

Sometimes my game (rom2.6 mega) also crashes... No idear why to be honest...
I just save a lot of times during the game

My specs:

Laptop
Dual Core 2.2 GHz Intel
RAM: 2gb + 1gb turbo
1280 mb NVIDA GeForcev 8600 GT Turbocache
OS: Vista
and.... bluetooth and pretty blue led's

Dancing Hoskuld · Apr 20, 2009

Subaru WrXxX said:
The conquered wonders in a city is a GREAT idea & one of my long standing gripes w/ Civ4....If u knew what great people & upgrades/buildings also before deciding to raze or install a new gov thatd be great to....

Your wish may be answered eventually. there is an "examine city on conquest" mod. Which allows you to look at a city before deciding to keep it of trash it. It looks like it will be merged into the RevolutionDCM mod which is the basic dll for RoM.

Nordfeldt · Apr 20, 2009

Subaru WrXxX said:
I wholeheartedly second this. Can anyone actually get the 2.62 megapack to load a map w/o a crash to desktop? If so can u post your specs, Im starting to think its something in the megapack thats conflicting with newer ( or all ) nvidia cards....thanks

I'm having no problems at all, haven't had a single crash and I'm on medieval on giant/snail map.

Quad core 3Ghz Intel processor
Nvidia Geforce GTX 280
4 GB RAM
Windows 64 bit OS

CivEikka · Apr 20, 2009

Could the Crusade wonder be modified? (Put the christianity requirement away, just some other religion and the Intolrant civic should be on before you could build it)

Subaru WrXxX · Apr 20, 2009

Nordfeldt said:
I'm having no problems at all, haven't had a single crash and I'm on medieval on giant/snail map.

Quad core 3Ghz Intel processor
Nvidia Geforce GTX 280
4 GB RAM
Windows 64 bit OS

Well there goes my nvidia theory...I think Im just going to have to have a separate winxp64bit load just for RoM Megapack...Im just stumped as to why the mega needs it & the nonmega doesnt...Im generating maps 10 times the size with 3 times the civs on a nonmega, no problem. Tiny map megapack w/ 5-10 civs, will CTD EVERY time on Graphics/map loading....ugh I really want the new civs/leaders. I'll post my findings when I do get around to getting 64xp on as ALOT of other Megapack users are reporting the same errors...

Subaru WrXxX · Apr 20, 2009

Dancing Hoskuld said:
Your wish may be answered eventually. there is an "examine city on conquest" mod. Which allows you to look at a city before deciding to keep it of trash it. It looks like it will be merged into the RevolutionDCM mod which is the basic dll for RoM.

That would be awesome indeed

Bezhukov · Apr 20, 2009

Lance of Llanwy said:
Are there any plans to improve the Imperialistic trait? Currently, it is quite limited and weak. I was thinking it could possibly have some sort of trade bonus to abstract in economic imperialism as practiced against China and other states in the 19th-century and arguably still done today. I would've modded it myself, but I've never worked with the trade tags, so I just had it give gunpowder units shock and cover, to better squish primitive natives, though that may not be terribly useful in RoM...

Actually, I think its presently the strongest trait there is, as the early game is so crucial for later success and it significantly speeds up the founding of your first few cities. This is why Joao and Hatti tend to be such strong AI opponents. What it is currently is boring and maybe even overpowered. Perhaps downgrading the settler bonus and adding a few new twists would help.

Retrospect · Apr 21, 2009

While we're talking about over powered traits. I think that the deciever trait is hugely over powered. The +2 espionage per city is overwhelmingly strong in the early game, and by the time the late game comes you have built up a massive lead on espionage anyway.

I would much rather see the +2 espionage dropped in favour of a pecentage, say 10% or 15%.

Seidrik_The_Gray · Apr 21, 2009

CivEikka said:
Could the Crusade wonder be modified? (Put the christianity requirement away, just some other religion and the Intolrant civic should be on before you could build it)

Expanding on CivEikka's idea:

I love the idea of playing a game, where I take the reigns of the Crusade or perhaps defend an AI that has taken to the Crusade against me. However, 1) by the time you get all of the pieces in order, you have mailed knights and pikemen to deal with. Those special crusader units are too weak for the effort involved. 2) The mechanics should be there to allow you to attack another AI's city without DOW, but it's broken? 3) These guys defend first if in your stack and you are already at war with the civ attacking you, and you have better units???

Seidrik_The_Gray · Apr 21, 2009

I think there is a serious stability issue with BarbCiv and RoM Mega Pack. I've disabled it and the game runs much more smoothly.

Seidrik_The_Gray · Apr 21, 2009

Religions...I've mentioned this elsewhere, but on Monarch, I can grab every religion and build up a money machine that breaks the game by the Medieval Era.

The AI appears to avoid religion techs in 2.62. In 2.5, the AI challenged me relatively well to get these techs.

Also...Zoroastrianism and/or Kemetism/Amun-Ra dominate every game I play. Please reduce the spread.

Finally, I have had several games ruined by a stack of Crossbowmen showing up under AI control around 800 BC ??? I have always wondered how one can build machines without Math. Furthermore, if you leave the tech progression alone, shouldn't there be an early Crossbowman, with a 6 :strength:

equal to the Light Swordsman, but with a 25% bonus to melee? Then, have an upgrade later to the 9 :strength:

version?

Thank you again for the great effort involved in this great mod

Seidrik_The_Gray · Apr 21, 2009

Bezhukov said:
Actually, I think its presently the strongest trait there is, as the early game is so crucial for later success and it significantly speeds up the founding of your first few cities. This is why Joao and Hatti tend to be such strong AI opponents. What it is currently is boring and maybe even overpowered. Perhaps downgrading the settler bonus and adding a few new twists would help.

I tend to agree with you, Bez. I love playing as Joao of Portugal. Only hurdle is the early economics, but soon, you're light years ahead economically and culturally by the Classical to Medieval stage.

I wish this Mod had the Venecian civ included...Sea Faring and Imperialistic and the whole "Lions of Saint Mark" flair. But until then, the Portuguese will do.

Bezhukov · Apr 21, 2009

Seidrik_The_Gray said:
I tend to agree with you, Bez. I love playing as Joao of Portugal. Only hurdle is the early economics, but soon, you're light years ahead economically and culturally by the Classical to Medieval stage.

I wish this Mod had the Venecian civ included...Sea Faring and Imperialistic and the whole "Lions of Saint Mark" flair. But until then, the Portuguese will do.

Currently heading to my first Deity win on 2.6 as Joao (crossing my fingers that I can keep Isabella and Shaka's attention elsewhere for about 100 more turns and it will be in the bag). Joao's cheap settlers and early ability to colonize across ocean make him ideal for Deity play. O/W would be very difficult to beat the AI landgrab short of opportunistic war.

hiphopin · Apr 21, 2009

Hello everyone. I have played Fall From Heaven 2 for the past year now, never once touching vanilla BTS since FfH2 became BTS compatible. And just recently wanted to go back to vanilla. Upon playing BTS for 30 minutes I quickly became bored again, and decided to check for new mods, I was hoping to find a game that went way into the future, thats what exited me most.

So I then stumbled across this mod and I must say, it is nothing short of amazing so far. I have only finished one game (on quick speed small map, oh my sweet lord this mod makes it 5 times longer than normal, but thats ok because it doesn't feel slow) and decided to take a look at the RoMK II forums, only to discover the addition of more future techs for the next version, which I am SOOOO exited about because I was dissapointed with how the future era not only felt to short, but also a little unbalanced.

I decided to make a post (this one) on this idea I had. Since no one has been able to make multi level maps *cough* FFH *cough* so far I wonder if anyone is able to make the following idea a reality. So after the lengthy introduction here is my original reason for making this post:

During the future era I hope to see many more weapons of mass destruction, while some people are seeking to build a civilization in harmony with the Earth, creating a paradise (brought out by the civic) others seek to dominate it by any means neccessary. Creating ultra powerful WMD's that make the nukes shiver in fear.

These weapons when used would cause a increased global warming effect on the Earth (in other words, like nukes, but spread even faster.)

This gives an increased threat of complete Earthly collapse, giving a reason to do anything possible to expand into space. Which brings me to the meat of my idea.

After reasearching the final tech, requiring all other techs. (It will replace future tech) You are allowed to build the Moon Colonization Project. A national wonder that once completed, would allow you to construct the Lunar Colony Supership. Construction would be the same way the spacerace victory ship is built, by building parts in multiple citys. Except there will be many more parts than the spacerace victory. When finished the ship can be launched at any time of your choosing from the capital, when launched it will take away 1 population from every city that you have, and half of your capitals population. The population taken away, would of course represent the people leaving on the ship. Once launched it will take 5 turns to reach its destination, and take you into the best and final phase of the game. Space.

Moon landing: This is the part that im not so sure on how it would work, and im hoping that someone out there could program this.

After building the spaceship, launching it, and waiting 5 turns for it to reach the moon, the game saves all current information on all the games civilizations. It will then open a new game that takes place on the moon (to solve the multi map issue) and using the computer civilizations information, determines when they will be allowed on the moon.

For example, you finish the spaceship, the game saves. A new map is opened (the moon) and you are Placed with a space settler (which would be the spaceship you built)

Now the civilizations on earth would then enter the game on the moon after a set ammount of turns detirmend by the civs place on the tech tree. I think it should be: Beakers left until reaching and completing final tech divided by a thousand = Number of turns before they enter the moon map with a space settler (again being the spaceship)

So it wouldn't be a long wait, but still would give the player an advantage. If the player is not the first to build and launch the spaceship, however many more turns it takes them to complete it after the computer civ lands on the moon would be how many turns the computer civ/civs would have already played there.

Once on the moon it would open a whole new range of techs that take you even further into the future, and eventually offer techs that allow the moon to be terraformed.

Now this is just my base idea, and im hoping people will add to this with there own ideas if they like it. This would probably have to be a special scenario for the base game, which would turn off all victory types (except complete destruction of all other civilizations) until reaching space, which would then give new win conditions.

One more thing I thought of, to prevent civs who are severly behind the the tech tree, the tech diffusion rate should increase by a percent every turn until it reaches 30 turns after the first civ colonizes moon (for standard game) in which all civs still behind on tech tree will be given all the techs and allowed to start heading into space.

Also im looking for ideas on how the civilizations actions on Earth should affect space. So it actually gives all the stuff you did on Earth more purpose than just leading up to the moon.

Again this was just an idea I had, and I just had to share it with others to see what they think, and maybe inspire someone to come up with something like this.

Flay · Apr 22, 2009

I got a suggestion on Game speed.
I don't know if it is possible but could game speed change when there is war? maybe a bit trikky when playing multiplyer but I believe it would be great to play at epic speed when all civ are at peace, but when a war start the game goes over marathon.

- to navigate on river. (or is this already possible I haven't try. . . )
- To build chanel to cross continent without losing the resources and or the improvement on the case.

zappara · Apr 22, 2009

Subaru WrXxX said:
I wholeheartedly second this. Can anyone actually get the 2.62 megapack to load a map w/o a crash to desktop? If so can u post your specs, Im starting to think its something in the megapack thats conflicting with newer ( or all ) nvidia cards....thanks

Did little test: I started megapack on 2.0Ghz computer with 768MB RAM and some Nvidia old AGP graphics card (256MB) with high graphics setting and with Windows 2000 and what you know, v2.62 megapack works fine, generating standard map was no problem. It ran out of VRAM around renaissance era (AI autoplay) so it ended to MAF.

So if your specs are above those, your computer should be able to run the megapack.

Here's the current progress:

Spoiler :

Biggest changes this week has been the fixes to Abandon city python code (took one evening to fix it) and progress with tech tree modifications. Another small change was to add National and Great Wonder amounts to city screen which should help bit when deciding where to build those wonders.

And tech tree looks currently like this:

Currently I'm organizing the industrial era techs and soon I get to modern era techs. I've also thought about adding couple Industrial techs and was trying to find some common advancements from historical timelines. I made this (unfinished) list for guide:

Industrial era techs
--------------------
1769: Steam engine
1794: Cotton gin
1798: Vaccination
1802: Screw propeller steamboat
1811: Gun Breechloader
1831: Electrical generator
1837: First American patent for an electric motor
1839: Vulcanization of rubber
1840: Screw-propelled frigate
1840: artificial fertilizer
1845: Portland cement
1846: Rotary printing press
1849: Telephone
1852: Airship
1855: Steel mass production patented
1856: Synthetic dye
1859: Oil drill
1861: Ironclad USS Monitor
1862: Revolving machine gun
1862: Pasteurization
1865: Barbed wire
1865: Roller Coaster
1866: Dynamite
1873: International Meteorological Organization formed in Vienna
1875-80: Electric light
1879: Automobile engine
1881: Electric welding machine
1890: Pneumatic Hammer
1892: Diesel engine
1893: Radio
1895: X-Rays
1902: Neon lamp
1902: Radio telephone
1903: Powered airplane
1904: Tractor
1913: Stainless steel
1914: Tank, military
1914: Liquid fuel rocket
1916: submachine gun
1922: Radar
1926: Fluorescent lamp patented
1928: Antibiotics
1931: Nylon
1935: microwave radar
1937: Gas Turbine
1937: Jet engine
1938: Fiberglass
1939: Helicopter
1942: Bazooka Rocket Gun
1942: first V2 rocket
1945: Nuclear weapons (but note: chain reaction theory: 1933)
1946: Computer
1947: Transistor
1951: Nuclear power reactor
1952: Fusion bomb
1953: Polyester fibre
1954: silicon solar cells
1954: Transistor radio
1956: Digital clock
1957: Sputnik I, first satellite
1958: Integrated circuit / Semiconductors
1958: Communications satellite
1958: ICBM
1959: The first weather satellite
1960: Laser
1962: Light emitting diode
1969: Apollo 11, first men on the Moon

Modern era techs
----------------
1969: ARPANET (first wide-area packet switching network)
1971: E-mail
1971: Microprocessor
1973: Ethernet
1973: Genetically modified organism
1973: Personal computer
1977: Cellular mobile phone
1983: Internet: first TCP/IP network
1985: fullerenes discovered
1990: World Wide Web
1990s: Hybrid vehicles
1991: Nanotubes
1993: Global Positioning System
1997: Wi-Fi
1998: US Deep Space 1 uses an ion thruster for propulsion
2001: Self-contained Artificial heart
2002: Scramjet
2003: GloFish, the first biotech pet, hits the North American market.
2004: US SpaceShipOne pioneers commercial reusability, carried launch and glide landings

I'm just using the lists when trying to figure out good, logical technlogy paths to tech tree.

JanK · Apr 22, 2009

Just some info:
RoM is now the 3rd most downloaded mod on Civfanatics (1st is ffh and 2nd is blue marble (don't even know if that is a mod...)) !!!
Good job zap, in about a year or so RoM can even reach the 2nd place (i think it will be very hard to beat ffh, but it is possible...)!!! Not to mention that ffh exists much longer than RoM does.

And just a modern era tech idea:
-Google earth (it really is a spectacular achivment)

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